Gauging Interest -- "Kirthfinder" Playtest PBP


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(Yes, the title should read "Playtest.") I've resisted for years, but I'm thinking about DMing a play-by-post game, if sufficient interest exists. I have only two pre-existing conditions:

1. The purpose of this exercise is to provide additional playtesting of the version 2.0 house rules posted HERE, ones that I refer to as the Superior Hybrid Interactive Tabletop game (better known by its acronym), and which others have dubbed "Kirthfinder." These rules are similar to pure Pathfinder, but classes (especially martial ones) and feats have been rewritten, and combat rules are a bit different (half-move and full attack are compatible, for example, and spellcasting in melee is more difficult).

2. If you're going to lose interest and stop playing, that's OK, but have the decency to let me know in advance. Anyone who just randomly drops out of the game with no explanation will incur my lasting animosity. So please do not offhandedly say "Why not?" on a lark, unless you're genuinely intent on going through with it. I'd rather have 0 interested players (and know it in advance) and cancel up front, than to have a dozen people who never show up after their first post.

Other idiosyncrasies: I don't use battlemats. If you want to be in a certain place vis-a-vis others, and you can reasonably move there, you can do so. Also, play is open-ended in that players can assume that reasonable surroundings exist. If you're in a tavern and want to assume there's a wagon-wheel chandelier overhead (and I haven't said otherwise), then it is so. Likewise, if you want to flee an encounter and go back to town to look for reinforcements or oil or whatever (and the group agrees), then that's legitimate if a means of escape exist.


I say it looks interesting, a pbp I was in died suddenly and knowing I do not have time to start a new one, I do have time to participate in one!

Let me finish reading the information!

What level, point buy, traits, etc

Dark Archive

Hey, Kyrth - I would love to join your game. I have seen some of your rules and I like them. There's just one thing - I have a craving to play litorian or some similar race. I have this old character who was litorian paladin in a Ptolus game that ended when DM disappeared from the boards and now I am looking for the game that would allow me to recreate that experience.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Definitely interested. As described, your house rules sound similar to mine, at least in spirit, so the style of play is right up my alley. I've never played anything rogue-ish so would love to use this an excuse to rock a straight-up old-school thief. With a heart of...maybe not gold but at least zircon.

This is the first I've seen of your house rules, though, so I need to read 'em. In the meantime, do you want more thorough character concepts or anything? What's the campaign gonna be? Etc.

ETA: Also, I'm DM Downrightamazed, running two concurrent PBPs at the moment (Hi KenderKin!), plus playing in Severed Ronin's Homebrew (group 2) and DM Barcas' just-starting Kingmaker. So, my PBP posting history will hopefully speak for itself. :-)

Liberty's Edge

It looks like I'll have some time to kill and I've been looking for a game for a while. I'll check out your info and get back to you.


I would be very interested in doing this as well. I don't post much, but lurk quite a bit and have looked at your house rules. I think they are solid and would love to give them a try.

I've got the time to be a pretty regular participant and would be interested in a monk under your rules.


nightflier wrote:
There's just one thing - I have a craving to play litorian or some similar race.

Thanks for your interest! Just to warn you, though -- I don't do "yarfing" or whatever that stuff is. You can play a furry if you want, but no one will allow you into town unless you're in a cage as part of a circus.


Interesting idea. I might check in on the game from time to time. But I don't need another game at the moment.

Liberty's Edge

I've been thinking of trying a halfling rogue. Are there requirements for selecting Paragon classes?


normanak wrote:
I've been thinking of trying a halfling rogue. Are there requirements for selecting Paragon classes?

Be a member of the appropriate race. That's all.


hogarth wrote:
I don't need another game at the moment.

Too bad -- you'd have been high on my preference list for players. Maybe next time!

Dark Archive

Well, I'm gonna check your Races file once again and try to think of something else. For the record, I am running several games - one of them is nearly 5000 posts long - and I've been dying to play for some time.


Looked at the races and I'm liking the idea of a hobgoblin monk.

I don't have the pbp resumes as some others. In fact, the one pbp I almost started here I had to drop out. I am a total paizo pbp noob--although I have played pbp on other sites.

But, I am genuinely interested. Here's hoping you take a chance but completely understand if you want to hedge your bets.


I am currently in 3 PbPs. I would really like to be in this one, but I think you should take others first - if one of my other PbPs ends, I'll have a slot open to play with.

I am, however, going to make your life more difficult, by helping applicants avoid the most common things that cause GMs to say "Naaah." to characters.

1) Read the background the GM has provided.
2) Think about how your character's motives will drive them to heroic actions. It's not the GM's job to get your character away from his rose garden to fight the orcs, it's yours.
3) Think about what aspects of your characters will cause others to like them, both PCs and NPCs.
4) Try and limit yourself to 300 words in writing a character bio, describing some life changing events.
5) Try to avoid "revenge quests" - they are a common trope in the literature, but seven characters from seven species and seven different cities each seeking out the murderers of their parents/sibling/girlfriend/teacher/insurance agent is going to mean that all of the revenge quests get thrown overboard.

Bonus points for using proper grammar, spelling, capitalization and punctuation.

Double bonus points for having a background that integrates with your character's abilities, and showcases what sacrifices your character made to get that power (or how that power has changed their lives).


I'll make things even more challenging:

So far in the live playtesting we've had 2 monks, 2 wizards, 2 rogues, a cleric, an archivist, a ranger, a barbarian, and a battle sorcerer. No bards, one very limited part-time druid only, no favored souls, no full-time fighters, no prestige paladins.

Certainly you can play a monk in the PBP -- but two of them, on top of the two "live" monks, isn't giving me a lot of useful feedback!


AdAstraGames wrote:
1) Read the background the GM has provided.

None yet, but my favorite homebrew setting is something like Vlad Taltos meets the Three Musketeers.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

You know, someone on here said I should run a PBP too.


AdAstraGames wrote:
seven characters from seven species and seven different cities each seeking out the murderers of their parents/sibling/girlfriend/teacher/insurance agent is going to mean that all of the revenge quests get thrown overboard.

Or, given the DM, it might mean that all seven of them are after the same guy! Or maybe it would turn out they're after each other, due to a series of misunderstandings...


TriOmegaZero wrote:
You know, someone on here said I should run a PBP too.

If you use the houserules for it and save me a spot, I'll very, very happily bow out in your favor -- I'd rather play than DM anyway!


Kirth Gersen wrote:
So far in the live playtesting we've had 2 monks, 2 wizards, 2 rogues, a cleric, an archivist, a barbarian, and a battle sorcerer. No bards, one very limited part-time druid only, no favored souls, no full-time fighters, no prestige paladins.

Boy, I'm getting snubbed everywhere it seems...


Falandar Thornarrow wrote:
Boy, I'm getting snubbed everywhere it seems...

See edit above. Sorry, Fal!

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber
Kirth Gersen wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
You know, someone on here said I should run a PBP too.
If you use the houserules for it, I'll very happily bow out in your favor -- I'd rather play than DM anyway!

I was thinking two concurrent games to handle the large amount of players. I'm not committed to the idea yet, since I don't know how well I can run while over in Iraq.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I was thinking two concurrent games to handle the large amount of players. I'm not committed to the idea yet, since I don't know how well I can run while over in Iraq.

Gotcha. We can talk more Sunday -- maybe for the houserule PBP we can co-DM.


I was thinking of a Dverge Fighter. (Even before I saw it wasn't on the list of ones already being played.)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Gotcha. We can talk more Sunday -- maybe for the houserule PBP we can co-DM.

We may come up tomorrow night after the game and get a hotel room, so we can come over after checking out in the morning. We can game early, and Derek can get home to the game while we hang out with you and the wife.


OK halfling bard it is!

hello downright!

Dark Archive

I am leaning towards ranger or paladin. Although I would like more info on campaign world and some more character creation rules, such as point buy.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

No (where by "no" I mean "only one limited part-time") druids?! Craziness. Awright then, elvish druid here I come.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
We may come up tomorrow night after the game and get a hotel room, so we can come over after checking out in the morning.

I can check the closet for an air mattress, if you like -- some of the hotel costs near here are grossly inflated. Granted, it wouldn't be as comfortable, but it would certainly be cheaper...


nightflier wrote:
more character creation rules, such as point buy.

In the main houserules document:

1. Roll 4d6, drop the lowest.
2. Repeat 5 more times.
3. Arrange those 6 stats in any order.

Hit points are max at 1st level, either average or rolled (your choice) thereafter.


"Plus a drunken satyr can get tha best o you"

****whistles innocently*****

Ability score rolls
4d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 3, 4) = 12
4d6 ⇒ (5, 5, 4, 5) = 19
4d6 ⇒ (3, 6, 4, 4) = 17
4d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 4, 3) = 15
4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 1, 2) = 9
4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 6, 2) = 13

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber
Kirth Gersen wrote:
I can check the closet for an air mattress, if you like -- some of the hotel costs near here are grossly inflated. Granted, it wouldn't be as comfortable, but it would certainly be cheaper...

We have our own, but I think we would both prefer a real bed for the night. I'm not concerned with expenses too much right now, since I'll be earning more and (hopefully) spending less while I'm away.


nightflier wrote:
I would like more info on campaign world .

See HERE.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
We have our own, but I think we would both prefer a real bed for the night.

OK. I figured it went without saying, but our door is always open to you.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

Kirth, if I do run, will it skew the play test too much for you if I use this method for ability scores?

Kirth Gersen wrote:
OK. I figured it went without saying, but our door is always open to you.

When do we get our house key? :)


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Kirth, if I do run, will it skew the play test too much for you if I use this method for ability scores?

EDIT: Wait, I'm not sure I understand the output.

EDIT 2: OK, playing with it, those come out biased pretty high, but not outrageously so. It should be OK.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

Ack, forgot it doesn't show the full thing on that page. Put 'test' in the name and click roll and you'll see what is different about it.

Edit: Cool beans. The three extra rolls are balanced by the fact you can't put them all exactly where you like, I think.


4d6 ⇒ (1, 1, 5, 3) = 10
4d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 4, 6) = 18
4d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 1, 6) = 18
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 1, 4) = 13
4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 4, 4) = 15
4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 5, 5) = 21

Dark Archive

4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 3, 4) = 10
4d6 ⇒ (4, 6, 3, 4) = 17
4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 6, 6) = 17
4d6 ⇒ (4, 1, 4, 1) = 10
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 1, 5) = 14
4d6 ⇒ (2, 1, 6, 4) = 13


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

4d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 1, 2) = 9 - 8
4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 5, 1) = 9 - 8
4d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 6, 4) = 14 - 12
4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 1, 2) = 10 - 9
4d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 3, 3) = 17 - 14
4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 3, 6) = 14 - 12

Ouch!

Awright, I see a wood elf with a 6 CHA in my future.

Dark Archive

nightflier wrote:

4d6

4d6
4d6
4d6
4d6
4d6

These are really bad rolls :(


Tangible Delusions wrote:

(1, 2, 3, 4) = 9

(4, 6, 3, 4) = 14
(3, 2, 6, 6) = 15
(4, 1, 4, 1) = 9
(3, 5, 1, 5) = 13
(2, 1, 6, 4) = 12

There -- fixed those for you. It's "4d6, drop the lowest," not just "4d6."


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Tangible Delusions wrote:

(1, 2, 3, 4) = 9

(4, 6, 3, 4) = 14
(3, 2, 6, 6) = 15
(4, 1, 4, 1) = 9
(3, 5, 1, 5) = 13
(2, 1, 6, 4) = 12
There -- fixed those for you. It's "4d6, drop the lowest," not just "4d6."

How come you got completely different numbers than I did?

4d6 &#8658; (1, 1, 5, 3) = 10-1=9
4d6 &#8658; (6, 2, 4, 6) = 18-2=16
4d6 &#8658; (6, 5, 1, 6) = 18-1=17
4d6 &#8658; (3, 5, 1, 4) = 13-1=12
4d6 &#8658; (6, 1, 4, 4) = 15-1=14
4d6 &#8658; (5, 6, 5, 5) = 21-5=16

Sorry, I just dropped the lowest on a piece of paper and forgot to edit that post...wasn't assuming I got to keep all 4 :)


Tangible Delusions wrote:
How come you got completely different numbers than I did?

Oops! Because I copy-pasted the next person's scores, who did the same thing you did.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Tangible Delusions wrote:
How come you got completely different numbers than I did?
Oops! Because I copy-pasted the next person's scores, who did the same thing you did.

Gotcha, just making sure I didn't mess something up!


I've got a thread on the "PBP Discussion" board -- we can post scores and discuss in-game stuff there. I'd like to keep this thread for looking at who's interested, etc.

So far it looks like the candidates are:

  • Chainsaw -> hobgoblin monk
  • David James -> Mountain dwarf fighter
  • Kenderkin -> halfling bard who needs to fix his ability scores
  • Downrightamazed -> elf druid
  • Nightflier -> ranger or paladin maybe (and ranger/paladin works well, too).
  • Tangible Delusions -> ?

    I'd like to keep the playtest game to 4 or 5 PCs max.


  • Kirth Gersen wrote:

    I've got a thread on the "PBP Discussion" board -- we can post scores and discuss in-game stuff there. I'd like to keep this thread for looking at who's interested, etc.

    So far it looks like the candidates are:

  • Chainsaw -> hobgoblin monk
  • David James -> Mountain dwarf fighter
  • Kenderkin -> halfling bard who needs to fix his ability scores
  • Downrightamazed -> elf druid
  • Nightflier -> ranger or paladin maybe (and ranger/paladin works well, too).
  • Tangible Delusions -> ?

    I'd like to keep the playtest game to 4 or 5 PCs max.

  • Sorry the last name is me, I just clicked the wrong "Post as"


    David James wrote:
    Sorry the last name is me, I just clicked the wrong "Post as"

    Great! That's five -- we can roll with those if there aren't any other applicants over the weekend.

    Lantern Lodge

    I posted under one of your other threads and have been trying to track this one down, but I'd been interested in playing or being put on some sort of waitlist if at all possible. Still reading through a bit of your rules, but judging by the party composition currently (barring Tangible Delusions decision on their character) I wouldn't mind playing a Rogue. I'll have a concept up later if that's at all alright.

    If so or not, just let me know. Thank you.

    Also, as I said on the other thread, I'd like to extend my compliments to you lot and what you've done with the system. Very impressive.

    They say that imitation is the very best form of flattery, so if that's true, I look forward to imitating you soon. Lol.

    Signed,
    Ronin

    Ongoing Games:

    Running two homebrew PBPs - Shadows of Aris
    Playing in a struggling PBP run by GM Jlighter

    Grand Lodge

    Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

    I'm taking applicants for my own playtest game. Kirth, you're in if you want in.

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