They are in plague proportions, poison the water, kill your pets, destroy native wild life have no natural predators (other than the golf club, hockey stick or cricket bat) are bloody ugly and are of no commercial value.....or is that cane toads, they look so much alike I confuse the two.Garden Gnomes...... need I say moreYes, yes you do. I've always found Garden Gnomes to be excellent tools... for target practice :D
Dude, you just gave me a great idea.... An evil subrace of gnomes Like the Spriggan ... known for their red, pointed hats. they can turn to stone at will... and do so whenever they are looked at, moving when no one is watching ( don't blink). When not being watched, they sow seeds for a fast growing, poisonous ( but neatly trimmed)grass like plant that creeps over buildings in a matter of days.... or.. with the proper fey magic.... seconds.
A farmer wakes up one morning to find his field entirely covered with bright green grass...all of his cows are dead. fetching his lumber ax to defend himself... he turns back outside, only to find his small home surrounded by eerie, grinning statues.
He is never seen again.
... at least until a group of heroes comes along for their first adventure.
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*shrugs* I can't recall any of my players choosing to play one themselves. And they really do seem to be bastard offspring of dwarves and halflings. I could do worse than cutting them from my campaign completely.In Living Arcanis, Gnomes are the offspring of Dwarves and Humans. However since all Dwarves are bearing the Curse of Illir, the resulting offspring is always extremely deformed in some hideous way. They pretty much occupy the gully dwarf niche in Arcanis societies.
In the same venue, Halflings are an "extinct" race of psionic cannibals, supposedly wiped out by the Ellori when the latter were still enslaved to the Reptillian empire.
Ahh Ssethregore, the Serpent Empire, how I miss thee. Of course with the Serpent Skull adventure path almost complete, and my Rise of the Runelords home campaign drawing to an end, it may be time to resurrect all my old favorites. Ssanu, amagasi, hylis, once again shall my players fear your name! --(insert evil DM chuckle)---
LazarX, good to see some Arcanis fans in the house.
As for Gnomes, I must say I like Paizo's twist on them. The first world aspect is a nice feather in their hat, and the bleaching is an interesting plot device. I finally feel like gnomes are no longer the twisted amalgamation of dwarves and halflings. Then again, if your a Dragonlance fan, I think its the Dwarves and Halflings which were twisted versions of gnomes (ala the Greygem).
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*shrugs* I can't recall any of my players choosing to play one themselves. And they really do seem to be bastard offspring of dwarves and halflings. I could do worse than cutting them from my campaign completely.In Living Arcanis, Gnomes are the offspring of Dwarves and Humans. However since all Dwarves are bearing the Curse of Illir, the resulting offspring is always extremely deformed in some hideous way. They pretty much occupy the gully dwarf niche in Arcanis societies.
In the same venue, Halflings are an "extinct" race of psionic cannibals, supposedly wiped out by the Ellori when the latter were still enslaved to the Reptillian empire.
Dwarves and humans getting down? How does that work, exactly? I don't think the two races are particularly attracted to each other.
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Dwarves and humans getting down? How does that work, exactly? I don't think the two races are particularly attracted to each other.*shrugs* I can't recall any of my players choosing to play one themselves. And they really do seem to be bastard offspring of dwarves and halflings. I could do worse than cutting them from my campaign completely.In Living Arcanis, Gnomes are the offspring of Dwarves and Humans. However since all Dwarves are bearing the Curse of Illir, the resulting offspring is always extremely deformed in some hideous way. They pretty much occupy the gully dwarf niche in Arcanis societies.
In the same venue, Halflings are an "extinct" race of psionic cannibals, supposedly wiped out by the Ellori when the latter were still enslaved to the Reptillian empire.
Dwarves drink a lot of beer. It's surprising there aren't half dwarf mules, half dwarf orks, half dwarf holes in the ground...
Dwarves drink a lot of beer. It's surprising there aren't half dwarf orks
You mean dorks?
All jokes aside though, I'm 90% sure I saw a setting somewhere that had dwarf/orc hybrids. Just can't remember where.
I think those are Dworgs, in the Midnight setting. Excellent world.
They are in plague proportions, poison the water, kill your pets, destroy native wild life have no natural predators (other than the golf club, hockey stick or cricket bat) are bloody ugly and are of no commercial value.....or is that cane toads, they look so much alike I confuse the two.Garden Gnomes...... need I say moreYes, yes you do. I've always found Garden Gnomes to be excellent tools... for target practice :DDude, you just gave me a great idea.... An evil subrace of gnomes Like the Spriggan ... known for their red, pointed hats. they can turn to stone at will... and do so whenever they are looked at, moving when no one is watching ( don't blink). When not being watched, they sow seeds for a fast growing, poisonous ( but neatly trimmed)grass like plant that creeps over buildings in a matter of days.... or.. with the proper fey magic.... seconds.
A farmer wakes up one morning to find his field entirely covered with bright green grass...all of his cows are dead. fetching his lumber ax to defend himself... he turns back outside, only to find his small home surrounded by eerie, grinning statues.
He is never seen again.
... at least until a group of heroes comes along for their first adventure.
that is cool and nasty - you should have used it for RPG superstar.
that is cool and nasty - you should have used it for RPG superstar....An evil subrace of gnomes Like the Spriggan ... known for their red, pointed hats. they can turn to stone at will... and do so whenever they are looked at, moving when no one is watching ( don't blink). When not being watched, they sow seeds for a fast growing, poisonous ( but neatly trimmed)grass like plant that creeps over buildings in a matter of days.... or.. with the proper fey magic.... seconds.
A farmer wakes up one morning to find his field entirely covered with bright green grass...all of his cows are dead. fetching his lumber ax to defend himself... he turns back outside, only to find his small home surrounded by eerie, grinning statues.
He is never seen again.
... at least until a group of heroes comes along for their first adventure.
Maybe not SupaStah!, but there is still the ongoing open call for PF Society.
Seriously. Write it up, get some friends to read/comment, re-write, repeat until it's your best, and then submit it.
that is cool and nasty - you should have used it for RPG superstar....An evil subrace of gnomes Like the Spriggan ... known for their red, pointed hats. they can turn to stone at will... and do so whenever they are looked at, moving when no one is watching ( don't blink). When not being watched, they sow seeds for a fast growing, poisonous ( but neatly trimmed)grass like plant that creeps over buildings in a matter of days.... or.. with the proper fey magic.... seconds.
A farmer wakes up one morning to find his field entirely covered with bright green grass...all of his cows are dead. fetching his lumber ax to defend himself... he turns back outside, only to find his small home surrounded by eerie, grinning statues.
He is never seen again.
... at least until a group of heroes comes along for their first adventure.
Maybe not SupaStah!, but there is still the ongoing open call for PF Society.
Seriously. Write it up, get some friends to read/comment, re-write, repeat until it's your best, and then submit it.
+1. That sounds frakkin' awesome.
that is cool and nasty - you should have used it for RPG superstar....An evil subrace of gnomes Like the Spriggan ... known for their red, pointed hats. they can turn to stone at will... and do so whenever they are looked at, moving when no one is watching ( don't blink). When not being watched, they sow seeds for a fast growing, poisonous ( but neatly trimmed)grass like plant that creeps over buildings in a matter of days.... or.. with the proper fey magic.... seconds.
A farmer wakes up one morning to find his field entirely covered with bright green grass...all of his cows are dead. fetching his lumber ax to defend himself... he turns back outside, only to find his small home surrounded by eerie, grinning statues.
He is never seen again.
... at least until a group of heroes comes along for their first adventure.
Maybe not SupaStah!, but there is still the ongoing open call for PF Society.
Seriously. Write it up, get some friends to read/comment, re-write, repeat until it's your best, and then submit it.
What Ambrosia Slaad said.... It would make a cool PFS adventure.
Why did the Evil Garden Gnomes choose that farmer... Had he offended a witch or cut down a dryads tree? is the whole town being plagued by nasty little fey?
I liked the tooth fairies from the second Hellboy movie and the fairies from Labyrinth.
I think the fey should be terrifying half seen foes. Stuff that creeps me out in RL is flesh eating bacteria and parasites, that's the type of spine chilling stuff you can go for.
Off topicish
When I was in the cub scouts they used freak us out with stories about Wokka Demons tiny little creatures with one red eye and one green eye that would sneak into your sleeping bag and suck the bone marrow from your toes.
Imagine a character waking up in the morning to find the bone in one of his toes missing. Then the next night another toe bone goes... It messes with peoples heads and makes people hate and fear the fey.
+1. That sounds frakkin' awesome.that is cool and nasty - you should have used it for RPG superstar....An evil subrace of gnomes Like the Spriggan ... known for their red, pointed hats. they can turn to stone at will... and do so whenever they are looked at, moving when no one is watching ( don't blink). When not being watched, they sow seeds for a fast growing, poisonous ( but neatly trimmed)grass like plant that creeps over buildings in a matter of days.... or.. with the proper fey magic.... seconds.
A farmer wakes up one morning to find his field entirely covered with bright green grass...all of his cows are dead. fetching his lumber ax to defend himself... he turns back outside, only to find his small home surrounded by eerie, grinning statues.
He is never seen again.
... at least until a group of heroes comes along for their first adventure.
Maybe not SupaStah!, but there is still the ongoing open call for PF Society.
Seriously. Write it up, get some friends to read/comment, re-write, repeat until it's your best, and then submit it.
Thanks everyone, My friend and I are actually aspiring to become a 3rd party Publisher with our own signature setting and everything: so it's good to know my ideas are a hit right off the bat. I think I actually might Submit this, given enough editing.
anyway, back to starting topic..... I think that people hate gnomes/halflings due to the fact that in vanilla DnD, they Weren't very fleshed out. when people tried to flesh them out, they became silly, or outright strange.
My Girlfriend is Actually the biggest source of inspiration for me when it comes to gnomes. She's hyper and imaginative, with hair that seems to change colour every couple of weeks.... and she loves candy.
My Girlfriend is Actually the biggest source of inspiration for me when it comes to gnomes. She's hyper and imaginative, with hair that seems to change colour every couple of weeks.... and she loves candy.So your saying she's a girl then huh? :)
Sounds like my wife (with out the hyper part)she loves to play Gnomes Nimi Gnarlsnoot trickster rogue has appeared in several incarnations.
I think the thing that put me off Gnomes is that they were Dwarves lite... Or self exploding Tinker types.
The association with the first world and the fey and the bleaching make them far more interesting.
I wish that they put the same effort into fleshing out dwarves.... The Dwarf book is the one Paizo book that disappointed me as it gave me no new options and no new perspectives. I would have loved for a write up on the Dwarves of the Mawangi or Osiron as they are culturally different.
3.5 Halfings get the meh from me as they are bad rip-off of hobbits. FR and Darksun changed that somewhat and Paizo there could be more work done to improve them.
Sounds like my wife (with out the hyper part)she loves to play Gnomes Nimi Gnarlsnoot trickster rogue has appeared in several incarnations.
I think the thing that put me off Gnomes is that they were Dwarves lite... Or self exploding Tinker types.
The association with the first world and the fey and the bleaching make them far more interesting.
I wish that they put the same effort into fleshing out dwarves.... The Dwarf book is the one Paizo book that disappointed me as it gave me no new options and no new perspectives. I would have loved for a write up on the Dwarves of the Mawangi or Osiron as they are culturally different.
3.5 Halfings get the meh from me as they are bad rip-off of hobbits. FR and Darksun changed that somewhat and Paizo there could be more work done to improve them.
I could never decide on just ONE feel for dwarves, even in my homebrew setting. as such I decided that I'd make a bunch of dwarven Ideologies and have them vary by area. Each of the types are named for something you can find in the earth, and embodies their ideas in some way.
Stone: Stonedwarves are your traditionalists,( classic fantasy dwarves)
Lava:Firedwarves are industrialists ( steampunk and all that jazz.)
Metal: Gold dwarves are merchants who live mostly above the surface and trade with other races.
Water: Riverdwarves are Viking style pirates who long ago left the underground.
Empty space : Void dwarves. ( the Dugear)
Rumors persist of the gem dwarves, though no one has been able to find them. However, their existance must be a fact, for otherwise the metaphor would not hold true.
But yeah, just another little example of a little fleshing out can prevent that whole overlap/ " I hate gnomes because they're too much like ______" mindset.
or is that cane toads, they look so much alike I confuse the two.Licking gnomes doesn't make you hallucinate, so cane toads have that going for them.
[Any gnomes licked in the testing of this hypothesis were volunteers.]
And we volunteer every day!!!
or is that cane toads, they look so much alike I confuse the two.Licking gnomes doesn't make you hallucinate, so cane toads have that going for them.
[Any gnomes licked in the testing of this hypothesis were volunteers.]
Boiling them down and drying out their skins and smoking them gives you a bigger high... I suggest that you try both the Gnomes and Toads to be sure... Just remember Gnomes are classified as a Class 1 drug under Australian law, alongside heroin and cannabis. It is thought that the effects of bufotenin are similar to that of mild poisoning; the stimulation, which includes mild hallucinations, lasts for less than an hour. As the Gnome excretes bufotenin in small amounts, and other toxins in relatively large quantities, Gnome licking could result in serious illness or death.
link to family treeI think those are Dworgs, in the Midnight setting. Excellent world.
Dwarves drink a lot of beer. It's surprising there aren't half dwarf orks
You mean dorks?
All jokes aside though, I'm 90% sure I saw a setting somewhere that had dwarf/orc hybrids. Just can't remember where.
Interesting, Ding. Very interesting.
Are you cooking them right? I have a good recipe for gnome stew you might like. :)
Pathfinder Gnomes are the most interesting. I am not wild about the crazy colors but I like everything else about them. Which is a first for me to like gnome fluff.
For me this took the place of the elves... which in turn got turned into bug eyed aliens. Just Meh all around.
I prefer my elves with +2 Dex, -2 Con, +2 Cha and my gnomes with +2Con, +2 Int, -2 Wis.
Back to the "alluring graceful but fragile" elves and "Intelligent, sturdy but lacking common sense" gnomes for me.
How about we just stop featuring gnomes in anything, and pretend they don't exist? Wouldn't that be awesome :)
Then they just fade away to shadowy bitter predators in the dark. Gnomes --> Grue
Or worse, they do TV commercials for discounted airline and hotel rates {shudder}
I don't know who, but someone left a trail of buttery foot prints across the break room floor. Now, I know it wasn't orc, human, or elf who did this. That just leaves you, Gnome and Halfling... and since I didn't find any foot pubes littering the ground, I have to assume it was you Gnome. Now get in the catapult and this will be over shortly.
Licking or not licking put aside-I really enjoy playing gnomes for the first time, since Paizo "reinvented" them.
As a proud member of this much maligned race, all I can say is gnomes are pretty cool, especially in Golarion. Even in 3.5 though, it didn't take much to give them a place in the world; I always pictured them as being the intermediaries between the dwarves in their stone homes and the rest of the world.
GNOMES!
Huh!
Good God, son!
What ar they good for? Absolutely nothin'
Sing it again, with me brother!
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I'm not talking rule mechanics. I just hate gnomes. The old school gnomes looked ugly, the WoW gnomes look ridiculous, and the Golarion gnomes look like those old "Troll" dolls from when I was a kid. Not to mention lawn gnomes deserve smashing. All gnomes deserve my undying hatred. Why do you people put up with them?Because we don't have whatever problem you have perhaps? Which would be I imagine, a strangely common fear of short people.
Not an irrational Fear - The Last Gnome we met spoke with a Franco-Corsican Accent, Titled himself Emperor, and Failed to Invade Russia correctly.
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Not an irrational Fear - The Last Gnome we met spoke with a Franco-Corsican Accent, Titled himself Emperor, and Failed to Invade Russia correctly.I'm not talking rule mechanics. I just hate gnomes. The old school gnomes looked ugly, the WoW gnomes look ridiculous, and the Golarion gnomes look like those old "Troll" dolls from when I was a kid. Not to mention lawn gnomes deserve smashing. All gnomes deserve my undying hatred. Why do you people put up with them?Because we don't have whatever problem you have perhaps? Which would be I imagine, a strangely common fear of short people.
Exactly!!
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I'm not talking rule mechanics. I just hate gnomes. The old school gnomes looked ugly, the WoW gnomes look ridiculous, and the Golarion gnomes look like those old "Troll" dolls from when I was a kid. Not to mention lawn gnomes deserve smashing. All gnomes deserve my undying hatred. Why do you people put up with them?Because we don't have whatever problem you have perhaps? Which would be I imagine, a strangely common fear of short people.
Thats not true I like halflings.
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Atop it sits a 3'2" man in quaint full plate armor, ever-burning bull's eye lanterns affixed to his shoulders, blinding you momentarily as he rides into view. His golden-rimmed monocle making a fine compliment to his impeccably groomed mustache, his complex runic lance level at you, and his shield sporting the same dragon/turnip motif.
"I say Mr Snarlington, lest my auditory and ocular senses deceive me, here appears to be some gentlemen that have a violently negative predisposition towards gnomes. I do believe we shall endeavor to educate them in the manner of which the Order of the Badger resolves such dastardly insults to gnomekind." he says as the face-guard of his armor falls in place, and his lance starts making a disconcerting whirring sound. "Any last words, good sirs?"
In first edition there was ONE reason to play a gnome. An illusionist that wasnt a human.
I never played 2nd edition (in fact i just considered it some odd excess rules books and most people just ignored the early skills as unnecessary)
in 3.5 the gnome was too much a redubbed halfling. (instead of a dwarf that could cast some spells)
pathfinder has made it a fey (kin), and as such one of the more exotic races, but the question lingers, WHY?
halflings handle the small folk fine, and I hardly consider the gnome a "sacred cow"
of course, a recent game with a gnome barbarian in the group was rather hilarious
Oh for the days when Gnomes were just Dwarfs with French or Italian accents.
Of course, Dwarfs were just Gnomes with Scottish or Scandinavian accents.
Gnomes = Smurfs!