Oh! My! God!
I just finished skimming this book cover to cover. The massive level of awesome on every single page really makes me want to cry. I just blew off the past hour getting my next product up on the web for this book. It was totally worth getting an hour less sleep tonight! Somehow I don't think much work is getting done at the day job tomorrow either.
You guys didn't just knock this book out of the park, you knocked it into the next time zone after circling the planet twice!
You should send me yours then.
Send me the purchase price and I'll mail it off just as soon as it arrives. :)
Why? I'm doing you a favor.
Paizo did that.
I'm giving you a chance, for once in your life, to do the right thing.
How can you put a $ amount to that?
I live in a van. Down by the river.
Really? What happens when you put the Bestiary 2 and the GameMastery Guide in the same room? I'm actually kind of scared to try it, now.
I don't have the GMG. I know how to game master.
I kinda just got there.......at this point I figure if I order it, it'll show up at the store before it gets here.
For me, its outsiders and undead that really do it for me. The only way this book can have more outsiders is if it was a book devoted to outsiders.
Aeons,
Agathions
Angels
Archons
Azatas
Daemons,
Demons
Devils
Elementals
Inevitables
Nightshades*** (both undead and extraplanar)
Proteans
Qlippoth
And I think I missed a few! That doesn't count the individuals that don't even fit into a type like the natives and so forth. Screw this material plane, I wanna go plane hopping!
Really? What happens when you put the Bestiary 2 and the GameMastery Guide in the same room? I'm actually kind of scared to try it, now.
Personally, I was a little disappointed in the GMG. It was a damn good book, don't get me wrong. But ... a book of advice doesn't have the same kind of zaz as a Nightshade.
I think Bestiary 2 comes in a close second for me, the APG is the best book ever produced for an RPG.
I couldn't agree with Jon more! I lost an hour or more to this book last night.
Especially the outsiders, who are great and really well done. I was impressed by all the new good outsiders, it really rounded out the celestials more.
Interesting. I saw it as just another monster book. (...)
That's what I was thinking and expecting, kind off: cool more PRD built monsters.
Then I got it (PDF for now) and I got gripped solid! First PF rebuild of RotRL significants and then seeing the Decapus and other 'way back when' creatures got to me much more than expected.
(Yes I qualify as a Grognard!)
I was bitterly disappointed. Far too few Proteans in the book! Only 4, 3 of which we already had? We needed 30!
Okay, maybe not bitterly disappointed. I would not have minded one more Protean that isn't just a familiar candidate, though.
Other than that, it does have tons of great stuff!
Do they have those handy "Knowledge DC" things that give you the tips to give out based on the knowledge checks against them? Some monster books have those and they are handy.
Do they have those handy "Knowledge DC" things that give you the tips to give out based on the knowledge checks against them? Some monster books have those and they are handy.
Nope. You will never see this in Pathfinder Bestiaries, either, because these tables are generally considered crap by Paizo.
Pictures can also be misleading....
DM once showed us a Troll Picture.
Fighter = Pulls out torch from backpack.
Druid = Cast Produce Flame.
Troll = Breath Fire for 2d6 in 15 foot cone
Wizard = Say "What the hell", and take a 5 foot step back, cast magic missle.
Rogue = Movement action, full movement in opposite direction of troll.
DM = said latter after words, this troll weakness was Blunt weapon damage.
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DM = said latter after words, this troll weakness was Blunt weapon damage.
If you change a monster it should make sense and there should be some inherent sense to the change. A fire troll would likely be vulnerable to cold. Blunt weapons? Did it have chiton or some kind of bony growths?
Sounds like someone got sick of player meta-gaming and their solution was to GM-meta game in a somewhat arbitrary and random fashion.
DM = said latter after words, this troll weakness was Blunt weapon damage.If you change a monster it should make sense and there should be some inherent sense to the change. A fire troll would likely be vulnerable to cold. Blunt weapons? Did it have chiton or some kind of bony growths?
Sounds like someone got sick of player meta-gaming and their solution was to GM-meta game in a somewhat arbitrary and random fashion.
Na, good man, the DM just like switching stuff up all the time. To keep stuff interesting.
Also, after you have fought Trolls 2-3 dozen times, i do not call knowing there weaknesses meta-gaming. Like wise, not all trolls need to be the same, and in this case.... It could not handle Bruising.
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Na, good man, the DM just like switching stuff up all the time. To keep stuff interesting.
Also, after you have fought Trolls 2-3 dozen times, i do not call knowing there weaknesses meta-gaming. Like wise, not all trolls need to be the same, and in this case.... It could not handle Bruising.
I'm cool with changing things up, I understand how running into the same thing over and over can get boring. Arbitrarily changing what affects a creature's regeneration seems like change for the sake of change.
Which old-timer monsters make an appearance, renamed or otherwise?
Let's see:
AmphisbaenaAurumvorax
Monadic and movanic devas
Banshee
Brownie
Bunyip
Catoblepas (although more poison themed)
Crawling claws (renamed crawling hands)
Crypt thing
Decapus
Dust digger
Forlarren
Gloomwings and tenebrous worms
Grippli
Gryph
Hangman tree
Hippocampus
Ice troll
Kelpie
Korred
Leprechaun
Leucrotta
Merrow
Mobat
Mongrelmen
Necrophidius
Nereid
Pech
Peryton
Poltergeist
Quickling
Sandman
Scarecrow
Slithering tracker
Spriggan
Tentamort
Vampiric mist
Wood giant
And that's not counting a bunch of giant animals and dinosaurs or monsters that were more prominently featured in 3e.
I'm cool with changing things up, I understand how running into the same thing over and over can get boring. Arbitrarily changing what affects a creature's regeneration seems like change for the sake of change.Na, good man, the DM just like switching stuff up all the time. To keep stuff interesting.
Also, after you have fought Trolls 2-3 dozen times, i do not call knowing there weaknesses meta-gaming. Like wise, not all trolls need to be the same, and in this case.... It could not handle Bruising.
Depends. If it's one monster out of all of them, and it's not a 'unique creature' that's important to the story, then I agree.
If instead, it's something like : Iron Mountain trolls are extremely hearty, and draw their strength from the mountain bones that gave them life. Many of the mountains are volcanic, and thus Iron Mountain trolls are no more affected by fire than they are by weapon attacks, healing it as rapidly as they do weapon damage. However, the heavy iron deposits in their body that give them their toughness leave them vulnerable to electrical discharge. Iron Mountain trolls make rolls for regeneration failure when hit by electricity as if they were normal trolls who had been damaged by fire.
Now, the above is a new race of trolls that the character's haven't encountered before, and they are regional. All the trolls in the area will be the same. This is the GM changing things up to keep the players on their toes, but is not indiscriminate.
I did something similar in a game I ran, where I made goblins the regeneration creatures. Each tribe (blue, red, green, white) were vulnerable to different elemental effects (blue = air, red = fire, green = acid, white = ice). Imagine a dozen goblins, each one relatively easy to hit, and doing minor damage, but they regen as fast as you can take them down. Threw my players for a loop, and they loved it.
Less old-fogey service, more mundane animals.
Less old-fogey service, more mundane animals.Boring!
Totem Druid.
I can say I will be using the Bestiary 2 this weekend, swapping some of the random encounter monsters for a few that should give my old school players a nice surprise. :)Which old-timer monsters make an appearance, renamed or otherwise?
The list of monsters within the book has been out for almost a week. Didn't you know?
On another note, I just spent 2 hours running all over town trying to find the book. Alas! Not a single book store has it and they all say it won't be released until January 4th!
I won't have it before my long road trip tomorrow. I won't even have it before Christmas! Woe is me!
Why? WHY!? This is Florida for God's sake, not freakin' Australia!
Even Amazon won't ship it until after Christmas. :(
Street date is the 29th if I recall. Those that have it are subscribers with the PDF.
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Less old-fogey service, more mundane animals.
You can now have a hippo animal companion! What more do you need?
Being more serious, I just flipped through the PDF but haven't gotten to really sit down and start reading through it yet, however my first impression was that there was a pretty fair amount of standard animals, especially when considering them an addition to the ones already in the original bestiary.
Outsiders seemed to have gotten the star treatment, but I thought all types were pretty well represented, even oozes and plants which have traditionally not been very utilized beyond one here and there.
I was very happy with the book.
Street date is the 29th if I recall. Those that have it are subscribers with the PDF.
Ah. Now it all makes sense. Darn. I would SO be a subscriber if I had a regular income. Sadly, I am a perpetually broke college student. :(
I am totally with ya there man..sept the college student thing anyhow.
I am totally with ya there man..sept the college student thing anyhow.
I'm 26. At this point I'm a poor college student by choice mostly. :P