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Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

There is a discussion at rpg.net about whether the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up. If it has, I'm wondering if Paizo might have it. They've hired a game designer plus Star Wars expert in Stephen Radney-MacFarland, they're hiring yet another developer, and they have the expertise in licensing gained when working on Star Wars Insider. Plus, Paizo doesn't have a sci-fi/sci-fantasy rpg (yet?!).

Pure speculation at this point, as no one can even confirm if the license has really been picked up. But I'd be very happy to find out that if the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up that Paizo has it.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Charles Dunwoody wrote:

There is a discussion at rpg.net about whether the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up. If it has, I'm wondering if Paizo might have it. They've hired a game designer plus Star Wars expert in Stephen Radney-MacFarland, they're hiring yet another developer, and they have the expertise in licensing gained when working on Star Wars Insider. Plus, Paizo doesn't have a sci-fi/sci-fantasy rpg (yet?!).

Pure speculation at this point, as no one can even confirm if the license has really been picked up. But I'd be very happy to find out that if the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up that Paizo has it.

Not us!

Shadow Lodge

Charles Dunwoody wrote:

There is a discussion at rpg.net about whether the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up. If it has, I'm wondering if Paizo might have it. They've hired a game designer plus Star Wars expert in Stephen Radney-MacFarland, they're hiring yet another developer, and they have the expertise in licensing gained when working on Star Wars Insider. Plus, Paizo doesn't have a sci-fi/sci-fantasy rpg (yet?!).

Pure speculation at this point, as no one can even confirm if the license has really been picked up. But I'd be very happy to find out that if the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up that Paizo has it.

As an avid gamer and star wars fan, I can't honestly see the point of yet another Star Wars RPG game. With the d6 supplements and the SAGA system, I find myself quite satisfied with what is available. Until something new comes along (and I'm sure it will, Lucas needs his $$$), I can't imagine any incentive for people to produce a new RPG. I cant imagine it would sell well.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I agree with you Varthanna, the only way it might work is if Dark Horse Comics was involved and even then almost every thing has been done between d6 and saga, still a great game.

edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

Vic Wertz wrote:
Charles Dunwoody wrote:

There is a discussion at rpg.net about whether the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up. If it has, I'm wondering if Paizo might have it. They've hired a game designer plus Star Wars expert in Stephen Radney-MacFarland, they're hiring yet another developer, and they have the expertise in licensing gained when working on Star Wars Insider. Plus, Paizo doesn't have a sci-fi/sci-fantasy rpg (yet?!).

Pure speculation at this point, as no one can even confirm if the license has really been picked up. But I'd be very happy to find out that if the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up that Paizo has it.

Not us!

Bummer. I was hoping!

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, 2011 Top 32

If it's not Paizo, I sort of hope it's Savage Worlds. Seems like a good system to model it.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

I'm putting my money on Fantasy Flight Games.
They've got the production and manufacturing to deal with the RPG, CCG/LCG and board game properties, and with Tannhauser and other properties they have the ability to bring in miniatures.

A Star Wars RPG with the production values of their 40K RPG lines ... wow.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

The smitter wrote:
edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.

For what it's worth: I agree 100%.


My druthers for post apocalyptic.


And if not FFG, how about Privateer Press (they do minis, they kinda did rpgs before during the d20 era) or Games Workshop?

Liberty's Edge

Vic Wertz wrote:


Not us!

Dang, never thought I'd see Vic drop a Star Wars hot potato. Guess you guys had your fill back with OCR...


Star Wars is still licenced to WotC, but it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)


I would like to see a FATE system Star Wars...

And Wizards is losing the license Shiz.


James Jacobs wrote:
The smitter wrote:
edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.
For what it's worth: I agree 100%.

Go(larion)mma World!


James Martin wrote:
If it's not Paizo, I sort of hope it's Savage Worlds. Seems like a good system to model it.

Savage Worlds likes to get new and interesting settings.


Shizvestus wrote:
Star Wars is still licenced to WotC, but it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)

That would require either OGL, or a dedicated group of homebrewers.

Speaking of Star Wars Saga, I stumbled onto an 'Avatar the Last Aibender' homebrew game that uses the system. I was shocked how well the system fit the setting with the appropriate tweaks.

Oh, and to actually address the topic... Paizo has enough sci-fi on their hands with Numeria (I think I spelled that right...) lets wait and see how they put that together and how well the fanbase responds to it before we try to beg them for more sci-fi content.

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

My money is on Fantasy Flight Games first and Margaret Weis second.


kyrt-ryder wrote:
Shizvestus wrote:
Star Wars is still licenced to WotC, but it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)

That would require either OGL, or a dedicated group of homebrewers.

Speaking of Star Wars Saga, I stumbled onto an 'Avatar the Last Aibender' homebrew game that uses the system. I was shocked how well the system fit the setting with the appropriate tweaks.

Oh, and to actually address the topic... Paizo has enough sci-fi on their hands with Numeria (I think I spelled that right...) lets wait and see how they put that together and how well the fanbase responds to it before we try to beg them for more sci-fi content.

...and Akiton...


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Shizvestus wrote:
Star Wars is still licenced to WotC, but it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)

WotC's license with Star Wars expired in May, and they opted to not renew. Hence why all of the Saga Edition books, etc... are now out of print and starting to become hard to find. Rumor has it that a different RPG company has recently acquired the license, but nobody's talking yet except to say that it's "not us." Companies that I have seen thus far to say "not us" are Paizo (here), Mongoose, and Margaret Weis (both on rpg.net).


Joseph Wilson wrote:
Shizvestus wrote:
Star Wars is still licenced to WotC, but it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)
WotC's license with Star Wars expired in May, and they opted to not renew. Hence why all of the Saga Edition books, etc... are now out of print and starting to become hard to find. Rumor has it that a different RPG company has recently acquired the license, but nobody's talking yet except to say that it's "not us." Companies that I have seen thus far to say "not us" are Paizo (here), Mongoose, and Margaret Weis (both on rpg.net).

I really really hope one of the FATE producers picks it up then, between aspects, refresh and fate dice, I think it would be the perfect system for a Fresh, new Star Wars. Where Jedi and Bounty hunters and Nobles are balanced by their FATE chips.

So I hope Evil Hat Productions got it. Dresden Files is sweet.

Dark Archive

Vic Wertz wrote:
Charles Dunwoody wrote:

There is a discussion at rpg.net about whether the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up. If it has, I'm wondering if Paizo might have it. They've hired a game designer plus Star Wars expert in Stephen Radney-MacFarland, they're hiring yet another developer, and they have the expertise in licensing gained when working on Star Wars Insider. Plus, Paizo doesn't have a sci-fi/sci-fantasy rpg (yet?!).

Pure speculation at this point, as no one can even confirm if the license has really been picked up. But I'd be very happy to find out that if the Star Wars RPG license has been picked up that Paizo has it.

Not us!

Personally, I'm glad. Y'all are handling, though strained, the Pathfinder Role-playing Game as well as the rest of your products quite well. Handling the Star Wars RPG, CCG, and miniatures on top of all that would send y'all to the funny farm. Or to embrace Cthulhu.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

James Jacobs wrote:
The smitter wrote:
edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.
For what it's worth: I agree 100%.

Disagree. Space Opera would be better!


Lord Fyre wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The smitter wrote:
edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.
For what it's worth: I agree 100%.
Disagree. Space Opera would be better!

All bow down to Amiri: Barbarian Princess of Space!

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Kajehase wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The smitter wrote:
edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.
For what it's worth: I agree 100%.
Disagree. Space Opera would be better!
All bow down to Amiri: Barbarian Princess of Space!

Exactly!!!


Joseph Wilson wrote:
Shizvestus wrote:
Star Wars is still licenced to WotC, but it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)
WotC's license with Star Wars expired in May, and they opted to not renew. Hence why all of the Saga Edition books, etc... are now out of print and starting to become hard to find. Rumor has it that a different RPG company has recently acquired the license, but nobody's talking yet except to say that it's "not us." Companies that I have seen thus far to say "not us" are Paizo (here), Mongoose, and Margaret Weis (both on rpg.net).

Green Ronin's Chris Pramas has said it isn't them. It has to be someone with the money for the licence. FFG or perhaps White Wolf seem likeliest. Maybe Steve Jackson Games, though GURPS doesn't seem like a suitable system.

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

White Wolf said it wasn't them on rpg.net. Also, it can't be confirmed that the license actually has been sold; Mongoose says it has but there is no way to confirm the details.

As to Paizo, I would like to see them try a space opera game. With all the fiction, it just seems like a good fit.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

I heard Paizo was considering the license. then Vic and Lisa saw This...

:-)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Shizvestus wrote:
Star Wars is still licenced to WotC, but it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)

Didn't WOTC drop the roleplaying license some time back? Whoever is thinking of getting that license... better have some deep pockets and a good deal of patience. Lucas doesn't sell cheap and every line is pored over like a hawk.

Silver Crusade

Lord Fyre wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The smitter wrote:
edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.
For what it's worth: I agree 100%.
Disagree. Space Opera would be better!
All bow down to Amiri: Barbarian Princess of Space!
Exactly!!!

I would absolutely eat up a good Space Opera game based on Pathfinder. That picture of Amiri, plus the Steampunked Harsk gave me hope for the GMG. In that respect, I was disappointed, though still happy with the GMG, mind you. I want heroic pilots, intrepid explorers, huge battles and clashing empires. I want travel the universe and find a port where I can unload my cargo for a decent profit, and just for once get skyward without a fuss.

While a Space Opera setting would need to do many of the same things a modern one would, I have zero interest in a post apocalyptic setting, whether it's zombiefest, gritty gasoline punks, or mutant mania. All of those premises bore the hell of of me.

Liberty's Edge

kyrt-ryder wrote:


That would require either OGL, or a dedicated group of homebrewers.

A friend and I have begun something like this, but we've been putting it off due to work schedules conflicting. There are somethings that are pretty easy to do and somethings that are really hard. Updating the classes has been a real pain-in-the-butt since there are quite a few things in the RCR that are non-standardized. We'll eventually get around to finishing it, I hope.

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

Just a guess, but I imagine that a condition of the Star Wars license is that the OGL not be involved. I mean WotC was never allowed to release their SW books as PDF, so I get the feeling that whoever has the license has a large number of hoops to jump through. I imagine that a total lack of allowing anyone to be an unofficial sublicensee of the system to be totally off limits.


Varthanna wrote:
As an avid gamer and star wars fan, I can't honestly see the point of yet another Star Wars RPG game. With the d6 supplements and the SAGA system, I find myself quite satisfied with what is available. Until something new comes along (and I'm sure it will, Lucas needs his $$$), I can't imagine any incentive for people to produce a new RPG. I cant imagine it would sell well.

The thing I think Paizo would bring to the table would be adventures. West End Games produced a bunch of adventures that a lot of Star Wars RPGers still talk about, convert to new systems, and run to this day. WotC's releases were almost entirely sourcebooks. So aside from the odd web-freebie or short scenario in the back of a sourcebook, it's been quite a long time since there have been new Star wars adventures produced.

I know Paizo have said they don't wanna do licensed products, and given how well they're doing with their own stuff, can't say as I blame them.

Still, I do hope that whatever company does wind up with the license, winds up having more of a West End Games / Paizo sensibility and produces adventures in significant quantities. If a new Star Wars line winds up being just another rules take on the universe and puts out books full of stats for X-Wings, Wookies, astro droids, and Darth vader then I'm not interested. Star Wars adventures (or better yet, adventure paths), yeah, those I'd buy if only to convert to Saga Edition.

And to toss some speculation on top of my wishful thinking, I expect if there's a new Star Wars RPG, it will probably tie-in to the the Old Republic MMO.


Millennium Falchion wrote:

And to toss some speculation on top of my wishful thinking, I expect if there's a new Star Wars RPG, it will probably tie-in to the the Old Republic MMO.

Good point, and I would then put my money on Chris Pramas, after the much acclaimed Dragon Age RPG. But I still hope for FATE system.


Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Be happy never to see another system for SW. Some adventures, however...that'd be nice.
M


I've been thinking it was FFG or Cubicle 7 ... IF the license is indeed taken.

On the Paizo front, I'd love to see a sci-fi game done in the same quality as Pathfinder and have often pondered putting one together. As for either Modern or PA, I'd gladly take either with one stipulation ... please avoid the classes from d20M ;) Never cared for them personally. But that's also IF Paizo made one :)


James Jacobs wrote:
The smitter wrote:
edit: also if Paizo does another game it should be a post-apocalyptic game, or modern.
For what it's worth: I agree 100%.

Why not Post-Modern? No love for the genre, I tells ya!

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:


Good point, and I would then put my money on Chris Pramas, after the much acclaimed Dragon Age RPG. But I still hope for FATE system.

Much as I like Green Ronin, I don't think they have the capital to sustain the licensing costs of a property like Star Wars, particularly with the delays they already face in dealing with their existing licensed properties waiting on approvals, etc.

Who knows though, might be surprised I suppose.


VagrantWhisper wrote:
Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:


Good point, and I would then put my money on Chris Pramas, after the much acclaimed Dragon Age RPG. But I still hope for FATE system.

Much as I like Green Ronin, I don't think they have the capital to sustain the licensing costs of a property like Star Wars, particularly with the delays they already face in dealing with their existing licensed properties waiting on approvals, etc.

Who knows though, might be surprised I suppose.

According to Rpg.net Green Ronin is not getting it, I looked it up earlier...heh.

So...I wonder who got it!!! I might do a FATE conversion for myself instead.

"May the FATES be with you." [dark side = - refresh...just like black magic]


Evil Steve said they don't want the hassle involved, over at the SJG forums. Se we've got denials from Paizo, SJG, White Wolf, and Margaret Weis. I wonder if AEG might have it, or if the FFG empire is getting larger. Or Cubicle 7, who have Doctor Who, LotR, and quite a lot of other RPGs - but no card games or board games that I'm aware of. For that matter, aren't Green Ronin making a DC Comics RPG - that suggests they could find the money if they needed to.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Bluenose wrote:
For that matter, aren't Green Ronin making a DC Comics RPG - that suggests they could find the money if they needed to.

Or it could suggest that they might have been able to find the money, but it's now tied up in another property.

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

I can confirm that Jon Brazer Enterprises did not get the Star Wars license (just on the off chance there was any doubt).


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
I can confirm that Jon Brazer Enterprises did not get the Star Wars license (just on the off chance there was any doubt).

Huh...really? Bummer...thought you already had a fortune waiting to be lost ;)

The Exchange

I'll chime in and say I'd love to see a FATE based Star Wars game. I used an adaptation of Starblazer Adventures to run some Star Wars sessions and it worked extremely well, and I think after d6 and Saga, FATE would be one of the only ways that they could do something really new with it.

I'd also really like to see adventures put out by whoever picks it up. The thing that drives me crazy about all of the WotC versions is the lack of good adventures.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, 2011 Top 32

ENWorld is reporting that Fantasy Flight refuses to deny it, so they're still in the running...


w0nkothesane wrote:

I'll chime in and say I'd love to see a FATE based Star Wars game. I used an adaptation of Starblazer Adventures to run some Star Wars sessions and it worked extremely well, and I think after d6 and Saga, FATE would be one of the only ways that they could do something really new with it.

I'd also really like to see adventures put out by whoever picks it up. The thing that drives me crazy about all of the WotC versions is the lack of good adventures.

I think Wizards sees more money in Sourcebooks than adventures. Which is strange since Paizo does very well in the adventures department, Imagine if there were Star Wars APs.


Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:
I think Wizards sees more money in Sourcebooks than adventures. Which is strange since Paizo does very well in the adventures department, Imagine if there were Star Wars APs.

That would have been FANTASTIC.

There was a sort-of-AP published in series on the WotC website, but didn't really seem to have the flair of the Paizo stuff.

However the new RPG licensee situation pans out, I hope it does well, and encourages people to offload their Saga Edition books - I need to pick up a couple more of the core rulebooks for my group, and the prices are rather unreasonable at the moment.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:
w0nkothesane wrote:

I'll chime in and say I'd love to see a FATE based Star Wars game. I used an adaptation of Starblazer Adventures to run some Star Wars sessions and it worked extremely well, and I think after d6 and Saga, FATE would be one of the only ways that they could do something really new with it.

I'd also really like to see adventures put out by whoever picks it up. The thing that drives me crazy about all of the WotC versions is the lack of good adventures.

I think Wizards sees more money in Sourcebooks than adventures. Which is strange since Paizo does very well in the adventures department, Imagine if there were Star Wars APs.

There is this idea - and not just Wizards suffers from it - that "Adventures don't sell." Now, I don't have any data one way or another, so this may or may not be true.

But, consider: the "adult gamer" has other constraints on his/her time (at the same time as having more resources), so well written adventures should naturally have a market.

But, I don't know.

----
Now in a more direct answer to your question, if there were Star Wars "APs" (or even quality linked adventures) then WoTC might have found profit in keeping the license.

Grand Lodge

Shizvestus wrote:
...it would be nice to see the 3.5 version Pathfinderized... :)

This has been on my To-Do list for awhile. I'd like to convert the Revised Edition to Pathfinder and then season it with my own preferences.

That may become my summer project this year.

SM


Lord Fyre wrote:
Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:
w0nkothesane wrote:

I'll chime in and say I'd love to see a FATE based Star Wars game. I used an adaptation of Starblazer Adventures to run some Star Wars sessions and it worked extremely well, and I think after d6 and Saga, FATE would be one of the only ways that they could do something really new with it.

I'd also really like to see adventures put out by whoever picks it up. The thing that drives me crazy about all of the WotC versions is the lack of good adventures.

I think Wizards sees more money in Sourcebooks than adventures. Which is strange since Paizo does very well in the adventures department, Imagine if there were Star Wars APs.

There is this idea - and not just Wizards suffers from it - that "Adventures don't sell." Now, I don't have any data one way or another, so this may or may not be true.

But, consider: the "adult gamer" has other constraints on his/her time (at the same time as having more resources), so well written adventures should naturally have a market.

But, I don't know.

----
Now in a more direct answer to your question, if there were Star Wars "APs" (or even quality linked adventures) then WoTC might have found profit in keeping the license.

Yes, we adult gamers have a massive lack of time. Can't wait for my kids to get old enough to run adventures for me! HAHAHAHAHAH


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pawns, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Lord Fyre wrote:

There is this idea - and not just Wizards suffers from it - that "Adventures don't sell." Now, I don't have any data one way or another, so this may or may not be true.

But, consider: the "adult gamer" has other constraints on his/her time (at the same time as having more resources), so well written adventures should naturally have a market.

But, I don't know.

I believe the idea actually comes from 2nd edition days, where TSR made it explicitly clear that ADVENTURES WERE FOR DUNGEON MASTERS and rulebooks were for everyone. Every adventure you picked up had that warning on the first page: "If you're a player, STOP READING NOW!"

Which never stopped me, mind you, but it does sort of instill in DMs this paranoid feeling of "The players must not read the adventure!" Which in turns meant DMs actively discourage their players from buying adventures. Which leads to lower sales figures...

So far, I've not seen a Pathfinder AP that says "Stop reading now if you're a player!" (Although to be fair, I've seen the text so many times it might as well no longer exist for me.) I think after the advent of 3rd edition, the idea of DM opacity has begun to slip, with players routinely having access to the DMG in order to buy magic items and take PrCs. And now Paizo comes in and rolls up the DMG and PHB into one book, completely blurring the lines...

It's not really a wonder to me that the APs do awesomely.

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