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Flask of Five Fifths


Round 1 - Open Call: Create a Wondrous Item

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RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 aka Scipion del Ferro

Flask of Five Fifths
Aura moderate conjuration; CL 9th
Slot —; Price 2,500 gp; Weight 1 lb.
DESCRIPTION

This finely crafted 8 ounce steel flask has a dial on the front with two brass arms and a small glass window on the back. When held a flask of five fifths is cool, and even while empty feels as though it is full of liquid. Underneath the dial are five sections of inlaid gold. Each of these sections is linked to a separate 25 ounce nondimensional space, this lets owners fill the flask with up to five different liquids.

Adjusting the dial to select a specific space is a free action; when changed the new liquid instantly sloshes within the flask, visible through the window. Drinking from the flask is the same as though imbibing a potion. Pointing the arms of the dial at two different sections allows the imbiber to consume the contents of both spaces at the same time. This is particularly useful for drinking two potions or elixirs. However, drinking magical contents mixed by the flask causes the drinker to become sickened as the liquids return to their original form and each magic takes effect; the condition lasts for one minute while the drinker’s stomach settles. Due to the nondimensional nature of the flask, alchemist extracts cannot be consumed directly from it, or combined within.

CONSTRUCTION
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest; Cost 1,250 gp

CEO, Goblinworks

Had to re-read this a bunch.

At first I didn't understand how to fill it.

Eventually I figured the mechanics didn't really matter - all that mattered was that you could fill it. Writing clearer instructions on use would have benefited this submissions even though they're mechanically meaningless.

If I put 25 ounces into a nondimensional space what happens to the other 17 when 8 appear in the flask? I'd make this either a 25 ounce container, or have some method to track remaining contents. And I don't know how many "ounces" are in a potion anyway (although I'm sure its defined somewhere, you can bet that given GM creativity that's a very, very fuzzy number).

I'm trying really hard not to see this as a bar-in-a-can. If I thought this was another booze item, I'd reject it. As it is, since I can see this as a way of managing a potion pool (or alchemist preparations), I'm ok with it.

Keep.

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

It's meant to be a bag of holding (or maybe an efficient quiver would be a better comparison?) for potions. I agree on the ambiguity of the 8-ounce bottle with 25-ounce extra-dimensional spaces for the potion storage. I suppose they might have meant 24-ounce spaces (i.e., the 4 and 5 key are right next to each other, so could have been a typo), that way you could store up to 3 doses of the same potion in each space.

By turning the dials, you can summon forth the potion you wish to quaff. And if you use both arms on the dial, you can drink two different potions simultaneously. I actually like that effect. And, inflicting the imbiber with the sickened condition (which is a condition in the PFRPG), is a nice drawback to include with such an advantage.

Pathfinder Core Rulebook wrote:
Sickened: The character takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, weapon damage rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks.

I'm actually kind of disappointed that an alchemist can't use this to drink two extracts at the same time, though. It would be like having a quickened version of one of your prepared "spell" effects in extract form. That would have been innovative in playing around with the new alchemist class.

Regardless, the item is kinda cool. I think it's underpriced though.

But I do like the name. I started out thinking it would be too campy, but given the storage chambers inside the bottle, it is indeed a flask of five fifths. And this is an example where the alliteration really works. Great name.

Vote to Keep.

Paizo Employee Developer

Secret chest items are really popular this year. I love this one's title and think it's clever and descriptive without pushing the line too far.

The abilities are confusing, however, and it doesn't explain well enough what happens when potions are mixed. If I mix two potions with conflicting effects, in what order do they manifest when they "return to their natural form?" I think that if that part were simply not allowed it would work much better.

I could see someone carrying this around as a single, easy to access item that contained all the potions they might need on a given adventure, refilling as needed when back in town.

The dial description seems a little too modern to me, and evokes images of steampunk (which I like, but isn't right for a universal item).

All things considered, I think this one's worth keeping around for later consideration.

Designer, RPG Superstar Judge

The writing could be clearer, but it's a nice idea. I'm a little concerned about the price (speeding up potion-drinking is a featworthy mechanic, and this costs less than a feat). This author is worth keeping an eye on for now, though they'll want to improve on their item-pricing skills

Keep.

Taldor RPG Superstar 2008 Top 16, 2010 Top 4

This reminds me of a magic item from the 1st Edition Unearthed Arcana, so it's got the nostalgia bit going for it, and if I actually liked one-shot items like potions and such, I'd give this the ol' two thumbs up. But, it gets only one thumb, since it shuts down the poor alchemist right off, rather than trying to find some way to work with him too.

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Dedicated Voter 2014

Alliterative name, some people find these annoying but I’m not one of them, I like the name.

Sidetrack:
Characters with alliterative names I’d rather not see though, makes me feel too much like a ‘comic book’. Clark Kent, Lex Luthor, Lois Lane, Peter Parker, etc. Each to their own though.

The item description goes on a bit too much, I know you need this description to know how the item actually works but I’d rather a simple flask where you just concentrate on the two potions you want, or say their names, as you bring the flask to your lips.

I think I get why you have the compartments holding 25 ounces, “five fifths”, 5x5 = 25? This detail cost you with the judges as it distracted from your work. A potion or oil is 1 ounce of liquid (Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook 478). You could have just as easily said ‘vial sized’. The fact that you can put most liquids in it is good. I agree with the other judges though, a little support for the alchemist class would have been nice. What about alchemist’s extracts prepared with the infusion discovery? Or only up to 3rd level extracts?

A lesser rod of quicken is 35,000 gp, this is way too cheap even compared to a fifth of the rod’s price. :-)

You have followed the followed the formatting template well and your idea is focused and useful.

Welcome to the ranks of RPG Superstar! Combine your good ideas with tight execution and you will do well, but work to keep the reader focused on the coolest parts of your design. Best of luck!

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4

Interesting.

A fifth of whiskey is technically 750 ml, but this game was written in the US, so when you convert that you get 25.39 ounces and some change. Five potions. It’s a metal flask, which are commonly used to hold liquor (like my old algebra teacher used to take a nip from in between classes). Fifth of whiskey, and so on and so forth. Uncle Jim is with you, youngling.

It’s a great name, but I fear you became over-enamored of your own cleverness. I would keep the name, but just describe it as a handheld metal flask with 5 spaces in which potions can be stored. That way you don’t have people trying to reconcile 8 ounces and 25 ounces.. Simple descriptions allow the reader’s imagination to fill in the details. Here the unnecessary details have just cost you words and clarity.

And I’m with Alexander, I recognize some variation of this from the 1st Edition Unearthed Arcana, but I honestly don’t remember it that well, and I assume parallel development here.

I’m not wowed, but this is useful and you put some thought into it. The price is too low, but I won’t belabor that any more.

You made it, and that is what is important now. Just make sure you’re emphasizing the important details and not getting lost on the inconsequential. I hope we can drink to your continued success in future rounds!

Qadira RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32 aka Sect

I know of another person who submitted a potion holding item, but I like this one a lot better than that one. The item's cool, and I like the drawback of using two potions at once.

Mr. Moreland mentioned that this item is evocative of steampunk, and I can see his point. Fortunately, the Pathfinder setting can fit this item in Numeria, and I can easily see it being used in a campaign setting like Eberron or Iron Kingdoms.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 aka Scipion del Ferro

Thanks a lot guys! I really appreciate the opportunity to be part of the RPG Superstar 2011 and to have been selected for the Top 32. I love all of the comments and critique about my item. I'll be rereading these a few times to take away as much as I can for the next round!

Dedicated Voter 2013

Wonkiness of the execution aside, I like this thing, it works. In the end, its like a potion utility belt, but with that holdout ability that lets you double potion up with a cost. I'm not sure when I would use the double potion option, but I know that it would come up, and as a player, I would be pressed to actually use that ability.

It creates tension and adds another option, both of which are great things to do!

Side note, I'm happy to see you made top 32: A lot of these top 32 look like strangers to me, but in my own short time on the boards, you have been a presence. Its like when that guy who lives in your apartment building gets famous: nothing changed for you, but it somehow feels better.

Taldor

Way to steampunk it up without going over the top! I not only want one of these for all of my characters -- I want one to use as a costume prop for myself! The dial mechanic is pure genius. So simple, really, but it may be my favorite item this year. Congratulations on your new Superstar status!!

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 , Star Voter 2013

Hmm, this one doesn’t grab me. The cost is fairly low for the ability to drink two potions a turn (how do 10 ounces fit in an 8 ounce flask?) and the ability to dial as a free action the two potions (even if sickened) is pretty good.

Qadira RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6, Contributor , Dedicated Voter 2013

I really don't like setting the dial being a free action. When you've got 6 seconds to fill with a standard and a move action, fiddling with dials on a flask seems like it'd cost you the move portion. In general, I don't love the dials at all, but it does make it quirky, and quirky can be good (see apparatus of the crab).

Pricing issues as well, but balanced out by taking a condition if you want to double up on the potions.

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32 , Star Voter 2013

Aaaaahh! Potion miscibility rears its ugly head!

An interesting concept. I, too, would prefer that alchemsts weren't excluded entirely.

Also: Drunken Brute or Drunken Master + Flask of Five Fiths + Strong Ale + combat relevant potion = Giddy Up. Seems a little underpriced.

Congrats on getting Top 32 and good luck next round!

Andoran RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8 aka AWizardInDallas

These are my comments before reading the comments of the judges or others:

Great item name--nothing like a mental double take to introduce an item. I love the core concept. The potion quantities are a bit confused though. You seem to mean that a potion is 5 ounces by the item's definition, but two may be combined in only an 8-ounce space rather than a 10-ounce space? A single potion vial holds only 1 ounce (per the potion section in the core rulebook and the equipment description of a vial), so the flask needs only a 2-ounce space to mix it up.

The quantities need some clarification. I'd reduce the extradimensional (not nondimensional) spaces to 5 ounces each; I can't tell how big the 5 spaces really are, but 25-ounces is the weight of 75 gp and that's a lot of OJ! At 5 ounces, the spaces are then capable of holding five, 1-ounce doses of the same potion while the regular flask space can hold 2-ounces (accommodating 1 potion, 2 doses of the same potion or a mix of 2 different potions or other liquids), unless you intend to allow loading more than one mixed dose, of course. Note that five, 5-ounce spaces also fits your item name, numerically.

Pointing the dial "at two different sections" should probably be "between two sections." (On reread while posting this I missed that there are two dials entirely.) As an old AD&D guy I can appreciate that you're trying out some minor potion miscibility effects (sickened). However, I'd allow a saving throw and downgrade sickened to nauseated on a success and no effect on a success if the result exceeds the DC by 5+ (some people just have an iron stomach); you could set the DC medium-high if you want the flask to sicken more frequently.

While there aren't any serious, official miscibility rules for the Pathfinder RPG (that I'm aware of), you might still mention that the item allows the safe mixing of two potions and leave it at that, just in case. The pricing/costing might also be too low, considering you can organize a large collection of potions (or other useful liquids) in one place. It depends on how you resolve the "dance of ounces" though. :)

Overall, this is a solid, useful, inventive, even ingenious, item. I'd want one. :)

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 8 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka John Benbo

I like this one. In a world where magic and potions are rampant, I can see this as an item someone would make and then make a lot of money off! Congrats!

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 aka Scipion del Ferro

Since this keeps being brought up I would like to clarify a couple parts. The name describes exactly what the item is. A flask with five fifths (a fifth is usually 750ml or ~25 ounces). There are five separate 25 ounce non-dimensional spaces inside of one flask that is the size of 8 ounces. Looking back I would have dropped 8 ounces from the descriptor since it seems to be tripping people up. That's only there to show how big it is on the outside. Neil hit it right on the nose, like a bag of holding or efficient quiver it actually holds much more then it would seem to.

I left out alchemists because I saw that as being very, very broken. There is also the issue of extracts usually not working once they leave the possession of the alchemist, and I think another dimension might count as that...

Thanks again for all the great comments!

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 aka Scipion del Ferro

Elora wrote:
Way to steampunk it up without going over the top! I not only want one of these for all of my characters -- I want one to use as a costume prop for myself! The dial mechanic is pure genius. So simple, really, but it may be my favorite item this year. Congratulations on your new Superstar status!!

You could make one and put in colored LEDs that trigger when you turn the dial making the liquid inside seem different for each section of the dial. Two sets of LEDs, one for each arm would let you "combine" liquids.

Actually I think you should make two...I want one now...

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 8 aka The Leaping Gnome

Woo, you can never have enough extradimensional storage space! Just ask the rogues!

Well done! See you round two.


Hi,
good to see you in the Top 32.
I like your item. In fact my reject or last year somewhat toyed with the same idea. Your item is so much clearer and more elegant in its execution.

So there is not much more to say here. great idea, great execution. That what makes a Rpg-Superstar.

I hope you have something great for round 2 in store.
I definitely want to see what you can do with archetypes.

Edit: The only thing I dislike is dials on items. But thats probably just a pet-peeve of mine, just feels too technologically for me and less like magic.

Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

Congratulations on being a superstar!

This is immediately to me one of those useful items that evil dms can fill 4 sections with green healing potion and a fifth with identically green poison so the poor soul who finds it could have a nasty shock.

Evil Grin.

I'm a bit of an alliteration lover too so loved the name, but had you put the last two words first and removed the "of", oh how I would have loved the name even more.

Like many have said, I had to read it carefully, as I found the description heavy going, the sentence structure at times seemed awkward and reading it aloud, I did stumble a couple of times.

I did, I admit, think of this as just wrapping for a spell but there was enough mechanics in the compartments and drink selection to get beyond that. And thats a difficult thing to do, so amazing work there.

I think this would prove quite popular an item for my players and so I would be tempted to increase the price to around 2,500gp as demand for these would tend to push prices up anyway.

The one item that did confuse me though is this...

It's an 8 ounce flask, with non dimensional spaces, so the content doesnt weigh anything, yet the weight entry put 1 whole pound. As you can see in a window if there is liquid or not as you change the dial, I would probably have the weight at 1/2 lb myself.

Scoring:

Note to all participants: The final score is a factor into who I vote for, but so is how much I like an item (my personal preferences and tastes). So dont assume I am voting for my highest scoring items only.

Name: 8/10
Darn that "of".

Description: 7/10
Sentence structure knocked this one down a bit.

Construction: 8/10
Pretty much what I would have expected to see, but I would have been mean and added 50g worth of gold for the inlays.

Final score: 23/30 - nicely done.

A very good entry, I hope the feedback is useful.

Andoran RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32 aka Bats Kabber

What poisonous rogue could go without one of these?? I love it!


Cody Coffelt wrote:
Flask of Five Fifths

This is an interesting utility item. My main problem with it is that the description makes it sound a lot cooler than it actually is. And if potions are 1 oz. each, that's a LOT of potions that can be stored in a single flask.

+1 on Ryan Dancey's observations about what happens to the other 17 ounces. I'm struggling with the weight issue, too - the flask weighs 1 pound, and when full it contains 125 oz., which is roughly eight pounds, rounding up. But if the flask only weighs as much as the section that is selected, then the total weight of the item is 3 pounds, assuming the section you have it turned to is full... *brain explodes*

Neat idea, not so great explanation of mechanics. My players would likely use it; I'm not sure that I would. I really don't know anyone who carries around 125 potions at a time - although perhaps that's because they couldn't do so very easily without an item like this!


Very interesting item especially the name (cudos), but it seems like it would be of marginal utility to most PCs not in high wealth high magic campaigns. Basically not a keeper party treasure, IMO most parties would sell or trade it for magical items of more utility except in low magic campaigns where magic items are rare and hard to acquire. At low to mid levels I'd rather have a magical haversack to hold my things or a magic weapon for everyone in the party so everyone in the party can hit things or an elven cloak or several wands of utilty spells like cure light or sleep or invisibility potions.

Andoran

Congrats, Scipion -

From the perspective of "the game" of RPGSS, you're really well positioned, here, and you've got a great chance. You're an active and positive member of the forum community - and let's face it, that's going to score you some points with people (whether it should strictly do so or not is another matter entirely, but the fact is, it's going to). Additionally, you led off with good stuff here. Your flask is quite creative, and personally I like the name.

My only advice - as mentioned by others above - is to try to focus in on exactly the right fiddly bits to be fiddly with in your writing. The only reason that comments are focused so much around the weight (or rather, volume) issue is that the item itself spends time on the issue. It might have just been easier to say "This can hold X potions, and you can use the dial to select what you drink", or something similar (obviously using better verbiage than that, but you get the idea).

I like this, though - and I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next.


The name of this item did conjure a few alcohol induced images, so I wasn't sure what to expect. Though I can see the usefulness of it, I'm not wowed by this item. I'm not a fan of being allowed to drink two potions at once, however, the consquence of doing so overrides my objection.

Overall, for me, an innovative item that needs more polish for a real WOW factor.


The name, awesome. Don't care if the comments below would make it out of place. Keep it.

Ok, the numbers of ounces have been discussed ad nauseam. But one last question. If the mixing container is 8oz, but the storage containers are 25oz, what happens when you try to call on the fifth dose? Or when mixing, aren't you going to use 4oz of each? The math of keeping track here is just not tenable for many players. Use doses (nice integers) and have the mixing container be twice the size of a dose.

I'll also agree that adjusting a dial sounds like a move action, especially in combat. I'd just have it be thought activated and leave the potion drinking as a move action (since it is already in hand).

Basically I like the idea, but the flavor muddied it up. Put the flavor in the name and let the mechanics be simple.

Taldor

Remember, folks, that the flask only appears to hold 8oz. That number was only included to indicate the outside dimension of the flask. The flask holds much more than that. Really, it would have been best to not use a number there because it has caused a lot of confusion, but the problem is in the description not the design.

Dedicated Voter 2013

Elora wrote:
Remember, folks, that the flask only appears to hold 8oz. That number was only included to indicate the outside dimension of the flask. The flask holds much more than that. Really, it would have been best to not use a number there because it has caused a lot of confusion, but the problem is in the description not the design.

I'm genuinely not sarcastic, but remembering one of the basic issues of 'believability' when I reply to this:

Oh yeah, we can stuff a fully laden cart into a bag, and that's okay. Who cares if the measurements seem wonky. I agree that a functional dose count might have been helpful in terms of actual storage capacity, but who cares, the item doesn't bend 'believability' even as much as an efficient quiver.

It's Magic!(tm)


Interesting, I want a hand keg though, how many potions would that store?

Or a Drunken Monk's wine jug, oh that could hold like 50 potions...


I really liked the idea of this item when I first looked at it.

Then I didn't want to read it. So many words -- most of which only confuse! I readily see why this was top 32, and just as quickly see how the wording and extra words could have kept it out.

But the mechanics of it are fun, and heck something has to give potions back a bit of their zip! For the price I would keep this one if found in a loot stack even if most my characters wouldn't buy it automatically. I might want a save throw for the sickened effect but hey sometimes you just got to stomach it.

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2013

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Very simple and cool effect. The volume might need to be re-edited, as it is always nice to have clean division for the GM.

I love the miscibility effect and the fact that you can drink two potions if you wanted to.

EDIT: Its a free action to change the dial... missed that.

Wonder why I can't see the item while I'm writing my post?

my mistake:
Is moving the dial a standard action?

I'm thinking that if you put this on your masterwork potion belt, you can draw the flask as a free action, then take a standard action to drink from it... what if you want to draw it and change what you are going to drink? Does that take two rounds, or one (move action to change the dial?).

Grand Lodge

Congratulations! No new feedback on this other than to echo the sentiments that the wording kind of lost me on this. I would have been OK with measureless, extradimensional spaces (5 in total to keep the "Fifts" theme going). Good idea tho so good luck in the next rounds!


I like this item. It would get used a lot by players.

I was thrown a bit by the two-handed dial. Maybe this feature should be presented differently.

Contributor

I like the name, but it's not jumping out at me otherwise in any special manner. The description wording seemed a bit passive for my tastes.

Star Voter 2013, Dedicated Voter 2014

Congratulations Cody!
Strength (Overall): 16
Dexterity (see time in my campaign): 16
Constitution (long-time keeper): 14
Intelligence (mechanics): 12
Wisdom (writing craft): 12
Charisma (flavor/visuals): 16
A vial of holding? Great! I did something similar in a pbp so it is certainly a needed niche. I would have preferred brass hands (watch) over arms (golem) just because of the item's size. Two potions at once? Am I a grognard for laughing at that? :) I think it comes a little heavy though. What if both potions are clw for example, haste's benefits would be almost all removed Delayed (and longer lasting) sickness would be better imho. Would spellcraft be needed to identify what you are about to drink? Still good catch with the glass making the liquid visible.

Congratulations! :)

Spoiler:
as an aside ID is well represented over the last few years :) TD has my number if I can help :) And yes glad to see someone so active in the threads.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8 aka Mistah J

Congratulations on making the Top 32!

Personally, I like the name even though the math of the ounces/potion ratio is a little off. Also, I really like the concept of the item; a potion storage device. It makes sense since there items just like it for other types of gear.

The two potions at once effect is great. I really like it (sickened effect and all); I feel it pushes the item into the superstar category.

The description is a little verbose, and that causes some of the clarity to be lost. It's also a lot of words devoted to something that not everyone may keep - lots of DMs take what they find and 'change the skin' to what suits them.

Great Item!


This is an item I would pay for. I really look forward to seeing what you come up with next. Instead of listing the liquid storage by ounces I think you should have said X amount of liquids can be stored, but that is a minor quibble.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 aka Scipion del Ferro

wraithstrike wrote:
This is an item I would pay for. I really look forward to seeing what you come up with next. Instead of listing the liquid storage by ounces I think you should have said X amount of liquids can be stored, but that is a minor quibble.

I thought about it, but I didn't want to limit the item to just potions. This way if someone wanted to they could carry up to a gallon of normal liquids as well. You could even put holy water, elixirs, booze, and what not in it. The bag of holding lists how much they can carry so I figure this should as well.

Someone was asking about why it weighs 1 lb if it only has 8 oz of liquids. Remember, there is the flask itself to take into account for the weight. I based the weight off of the existing iron flask.


Cody Coffelt wrote:

Flask of Five Fifths

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This is a useful item. Its a little heavy handed in the description, but I understood the idea. The concept is great, using extra....err... "non" dimensional spaces to hold various liquids.

I love potions so I really like this item. I would have eliminated a penalty for consuming two potions at once. In fact, I think that could have been its prize feature.

Finally, I definately think it should have been designed to be super cool for alchemists. All kinds of possibilities come to mind, but in the end this was an opportunity lost.

STILL, that said, you made it to RPGSuperstar, so WOOT!! Good job man and good luck.

Ken

Osirion RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4 , Star Voter 2013 aka raidou

Ah, the bygone days of Potion Miscibility tables and Beakers of Plentiful Potions. Good times...

Cody, this is an item with a great name that takes a long descriptive way around its core power. I agree with Jim Groves concerning simplifying the description so people focus on what's important (potion storage and double-chugging) and not waste time trying to figure out the unimportant stuff (dials and gizmos and sloshing potion smoothies.)

That said, I like what this item does; it's a useful mechanic. It's also pretty neat to look at this side-by-side with Isaac's Alchemist's Viper to see two top 32 finalists working at similar problems in different ways.

Welcome to the competition and best of luck in future rounds!

Andoran RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32 , Star Voter 2013

I'm thirsty now. I'm a big fan of getting extra options but it costs you, in this case two potions for the cost of a sick stomach.


Hi, Rufus. Congratulations on makin' it to Superstardom. Can't wait to see your next round entry. All the best, sweetie.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 aka Scipion del Ferro

An alchemist making an item relating to potions? Why I never would have thought...

edit: Aww, I can't use my Rufus Infernobasket alias here...


Cody Coffelt wrote:

An alchemist making an item relating to potions? Why I never would have thought...

edit: Aww, I can't use my Rufus Infernobasket alias here...

Yeah, sweetie, I'm not really diggin' this look for you as much as the other...

On the other hand...success more than makes up for a bit of stringy hair...


Cody Coffelt wrote:

Flask of Five Fifths

Aura moderate conjuration; CL 9th
Slot —; Price 2,500 gp; Weight 1 lb.
DESCRIPTION

This finely crafted 8 ounce steel flask has a dial on the front with two brass arms and a small glass window on the back. When held a flask of five fifths is cool, and even while empty feels as though it is full of liquid. Underneath the dial are five sections of inlaid gold. Each of these sections is linked to a separate 25 ounce nondimensional space, this lets owners fill the flask with up to five different liquids.

Adjusting the dial to select a specific space is a free action; when changed the new liquid instantly sloshes within the flask, visible through the window. Drinking from the flask is the same as though imbibing a potion. Pointing the arms of the dial at two different sections allows the imbiber to consume the contents of both spaces at the same time. This is particularly useful for drinking two potions or elixirs. However, drinking magical contents mixed by the flask causes the drinker to become sickened as the liquids return to their original form and each magic takes effect; the condition lasts for one minute while the drinker’s stomach settles. Due to the nondimensional nature of the flask, alchemist extracts cannot be consumed directly from it, or combined within.

CONSTRUCTION
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest; Cost 1,250 gp

Disclaimer:

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Is the item Pretty?
Well, it's finely crafted and I suppose if you put it on a highly polished table made from the sap of a thousand walnut trees, it might make a conversational point whilst you chat to dinner guests and wait for the chef to finish cooking the dragon eggs.

Does the item help a demonic seductress to keep a paladin house pet?
Apparently no.

Is the item otherwise useful?
Apparently no (but see below).

Other Comments? (including World Domination potential on the evil laughter scale, where appropriate)
I'm still waiting for the obscure world shaking power of this item to hit me. It's a bottle which lets you drink two potions at the same time! Whatever the exact opposite of a magical ring which puts down all opposition and allows the wielder to cover the lands in a darkness from which there will be no escape is, this is pretty close to it.
Ah. I think I see what you've done. You've manufactured the trigger mechanism of a dimensional bomb on the sly... Everyone (okay a lot of people) know that if you put a bag of holding (another non-dimensional space) inside a portable hole (an extradimensional space) a rift gets torn into the Astral plane, and things in the vicinity get sucked through. I take it that if you fill one of these flasks with just the right combination of liquids, and rig up a time-delay mechanism (or send an expendable incubus) to drop one into a portable hole, then: 'Boom!' Everything within a hundred or so feet gets levelled by the resultant blast when the flask meets the hole!
World Domination Potential:
Mwahahaha! Fear my castle-levelling flasks of five fifths and the portable holes into which my minions will drop them! (Ahem.)

Gollum Rating:
Preciousss.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16 , Star Voter 2013 aka Shadow-Mask

I love the name. I think it's an interesting concept. Others have made suggestions on the mechanics of it far better than I ever could. Suffice to say, I like the idea. As a player, I wouldn't use it because of the sickened condition with no save. Most liquids are used primarily in combat, so the one minute duration is a bit steep for two benefits that may or may not last as long as the condition they engendered.

I can't wait to see what you've done with your archetype. :)

Star Voter 2013

The way I'd rework it is:

Flask of Five Fifths
Aura moderate conjuration; CL 9th
Slot —; Price 7,500 gp; Weight 1 lb.
DESCRIPTION

This finely crafted small steel flask is cool to the touch, and even while empty feels as though it is full of liquid. The flask contains five separate nondimensional spaces. Each space is able to hold a single dose of a magical or alchemical liquid (including potions, elixirs, poisons, extracts, mutagens, holy water, and liquid items made with Craft (Alchemy)), or up to a fifth (25 ounces) of a mundane liquid. Choosing which space corresponds with the flask's opening is a free action; drinking from the flask uses the same rules as imbibing a potion.

The flask can, at the user's option, open to two different spaces at once, allowing the imbiber to consume the contents of both at the same time. This is particularly useful for drinking two potions or elixirs. However, drinking magical contents mixed by the flask causes the drinker to become sickened (or nauseated if already sickened) as each magic takes effect; the condition lasts for one minute while the drinker’s stomach settles. A Fortitude save (DC 15) against this consequence is allowed, but a successful save will cause one of the magical liquids (randomly rolled) to fail to have any effect.

CONSTRUCTION
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest; Cost 3,750 gp

Lots of the descriptive flavor is gone, but now it's very obvious what the item does and how, in game terms, to use it. The dose rule simplifies adjudication. It now interacts with alchemists, but the nauseated condition as a practical matter limits it to one "quicken"-equivalent in any encounter. The price is higher, but I'm not really sure what's really right there.

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