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Was anything published post-Living Greyhawk Gazeteer about the Horned Society?
In the LGG it says that, though the Horned Society was overrun and absorbed by Iuz after the Old One's return, Sammal argues that the Horned Society would have predicted -- and prepared for -- Iuz's return.
Mordenkainen, moreover, argues that the Horned Society is likely more dangerous now than they were when the good guys knew where at and how many of and what goals the Horned Society had. Now they're out there, an unknown evil, likely in splinter groups, with plots and campaigns furthering their insidious plans.
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Recently, I've been curious about comparing Cheliax to the Horned Society and I want to get as much info as I can to really look at them.
I also want to design a GH campaign, or even just a background basis, whereupon The Horned Society and The Pale of Pholtus are long-term antagonists.
But first I need to find out if anything was ever done, post-LGG on them.
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At this point I'll take anything on the Horned Society -- even pre LGG material. My old stuff is limited to 1E Modules (about 50), 2E adventures (about 25) and Dungeon Adventures (almost 150 issues worth).
Outside of that -- if you know of anything, a brief (heck, or long) summary would be awesome.
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There are a few sites still around I think dedicated to the Horned Society (by the way one of my more favorite groups.) I will need to check on some stuff I had at home.
Most of the stuff was 1st addition. But there were tibits in the 3rd addtion City of Greyhawk about a couple people in the city of Greyhawk. Alot more 1st edition stuff. Again it is mostly characters who were around after the Horned Society fell. Molag. There is some interesting stuff from Iuz the Evil about the Horned Lands as stuff to help you flesh it out some.
I will try to look for some old notes. You may want to try the site Cannonfire and reference some stuff there. I am trying to remeber a guy I had some emails back and forth with about his own site he created Jason something. Sorry I can't be of more help but might be a good place to start.
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Hierax's Greyhawk Jason Verbitsky's: Saga of Saltmarsh, History of the Horned Society, Grey Hero System House Rules. Alas it seems the site is a deadlink. But Jason had some good stuff on his site.
Looking at Ghwiki there are a couple of other references you could try:
Blume, Brian, David Cook, and Jean Wells. The Rogues Gallery. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1980.
Brunner, Frank. "Strike on the Rabid Dawn." Dungeon #111. Bellevue, WA: Paizo Publishing, 2004.
-great adventure and some good info on 3.5 using the Horned Society.
Cook, David. "History of the Greyhawk Wars." Wars. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1991. Available Online: [1]
Gygax, Gary. "From the Sorcerer's Scroll: Protection Circles and the Like, Plus News of the North Central Flanaess." Dragon #56. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1981.
-----. The World of Greyhawk. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1980.
-----. World of Greyhawk Fantasy Game Setting. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1983.
Holian, Gary, Erik Mona, Sean K Reynolds, and Frederick Weining. Living Greyhawk Gazetteer. Renton, WA: Wizards of the Coast, 2000.
Moore, Roger E. Greyhawk: The Adventure Begins. Renton, WA: Wizards of the Coast, 1998.
Niles, Douglas, and Carl Sargent. The City of Greyhawk. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1989.
Sargent, Carl. From the Ashes. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1992.
-----. Iuz the Evil. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1993.
Strohm, Keith Francis. The Tomb of Horrors. Renton, WA: Wizards of the Coast, 2002.
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I'll read over Iuz the Evil later today -- but I don't remember that much about the Horned Society in there. I'll check, though.
I've never been satisfied with the GHWiki but I'll check again.
I haven't ever gone to canonfire; shame on me. I'll remedy that.
"Strike on the Rabid Dawn" is one of my favorite non-uber-famous Dungeon adventures of all time. I'll check again (it's been a couple years since I ran or read it) but I'm about 100% sure there's nothing specifically about the Horned Society in Markosian's background.
Hopefully I can find "History of the GH Wars" on-line easily enough.
I mentioned everything the LGG has in my OP.
I'm not sure what ToH has. There's nothing in Bruce Cordell's Return to ToH and as I recall the 3.0 conversion of the original -- assuming that's the Keith Strohm you refer to -- is a flat conversion. I'll check my original ToH and the Return To tonight; I'll even break out the 3.0 consversion (I printed it out years ago and put it in the Return To box for keeping.)
The others I don't have -- though Moore's Adventure Begins from 98 is certainly something I can see myself getting from Noble Knight this christmas. And I'll take a look at what Dragon 56 has just in case I decide to grab it, too.
THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!!!
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I'll read over Iuz the Evil later today -- but I don't remember that much about the Horned Society in there. I'll check, though.
-- Most of what Iuz the Evil has is mentioning things on what Molag is like now. But there are some interesting tidbits. As well as information on Nezmajen granted the information is in 2nd edition. I believe there are other little nick and nacks found throughout the product. I think there are even some things in Ivid the Undying small little cells of HS in places if I remember correctly.
I've never been satisfied with the GHWiki but I'll check again.
I haven't ever gone to canonfire; shame on me. I'll remedy that."Strike on the Rabid Dawn" is one of my favorite non-uber-famous Dungeon adventures of all time. I'll check again (it's been a couple years since I ran or read it) but I'm about 100% sure there's nothing specifically about the Horned Society in Markosian's background.
--It is a little tidbit I think about what the HS reaction maybe if the party defeats Markosian. I love that adventure as well.
Hopefully I can find "History of the GH Wars" on-line easily enough.
I mentioned everything the LGG has in my OP.
I'm not sure what ToH has. There's nothing in Bruce Cordell's Return to ToH and as I recall the 3.0 conversion of the original -- assuming that's the Keith Strohm you refer to -- is a flat conversion. I'll check my original ToH and the Return To tonight; I'll even break out the 3.0 consversion (I printed it out years ago and put it in the Return To box for keeping.)
-- I don't have ToH myself so not sure what can be found in there.
The others I don't have -- though Moore's Adventure Begins from 98 is certainly something I can see myself getting from Noble Knight this christmas. And I'll take a look at what Dragon 56 has just in case I decide to grab it, too.
--I have the Adventure Begins I think it is more about Guiliana Mortidus a priestess of Nerull in Greyhawk.
THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!!!
--Happy to help a fellow lover of the HS. If you find anything else please tell me and happy hunting.
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Wow, "Strike on the Rabid Dawn" does have some Horned Society.
My trouble with remembering published adventures has always been that I change aspects of them (like most DMs) and run them the way I want -- and in this case I'm sure I completely altered the location (I never liked Hardby) and since I didn't associate it with Hardby I didn't associate it with Oerth at all.
It looks like Brunner (or Mona, the editor) didn't want to make Markosian with the Horned Society so he's just written as a kinda "peripheral" member. It's in just a couple sentences in Markosian's background.
What's FAR cooler is the 3 or 4 paragraphs at the end of the adventure that I never saw before -- it's after the Concluding the Adventure section, even -- a bit of info on the Horned Society after Iuz's return.
And since it says nothing other than what's in the LGG (from 4 years earlier) I can reasonably assume nothing has really been done.
I would wonder if anything official had been done on the HS after the LGG, as the HS was defunct for all purposes AFAICT. IIRC, the original writeup had them as devil worshippers, while later stuff changed that to Nerull (2e demon and devil "purge"), and I seem to recall that it was said somewhere that they worshipped a variety of evil gods and just banded together from power gains. The latter point might have been an attempt to reconcile the various contradicting sources, though.
Stefan
The only things I can add to what Gruumash said above is:
Erik Mona wrote a 3 page article called “A Brief Reference on the Horned Society” which summarised more recent HS canonical references. This is probably available through canonfire.com.
He also wrote a critical threat article about Warduke and his connection to the Horned Society in Dungeon 105, which I think would be worth your time.
I am a fan of “The Adventure Begins” which contains brief references to Hierarchs Andrade Mirrius, who was in the “City of Greyhawk” Boxed Set and Guiliana Mortidus, who originally appeared in "Greyhawk Adventures." Oerth Journal 24 also has a short article on her by Creighton Broadhurst.
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Wow, "Strike on the Rabid Dawn" does have some Horned Society.
My trouble with remembering published adventures has always been that I change aspects of them (like most DMs) and run them the way I want -- and in this case I'm sure I completely altered the location (I never liked Hardby) and since I didn't associate it with Hardby I didn't associate it with Oerth at all.
It looks like Brunner (or Mona, the editor) didn't want to make Markosian with the Horned Society so he's just written as a kinda "peripheral" member. It's in just a couple sentences in Markosian's background.
What's FAR cooler is the 3 or 4 paragraphs at the end of the adventure that I never saw before -- it's after the Concluding the Adventure section, even -- a bit of info on the Horned Society after Iuz's return.
And since it says nothing other than what's in the LGG (from 4 years earlier) I can reasonably assume nothing has really been done.
How is the campaign you are planning going?
I would love to hear what you do with it. Being a fellow lover of the the Great Horned Society we have to stick together our lot is somewhat rare. I am always looking for new ideas. As well if you want to bounce any ideas off me I would be happy to help out.
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I read the Warduke Critical Threat. He seems to be the LE "do-boy" -- you know, a typically dumb, CE grunt useful only because he is amazingly badass.
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The campaign I'm "designing" is going slowly.
I know I want the Theocracy of the Pale and The Horned Society to be involved and to be antagonists against each other. I'm pretty sure I want to begin down south in Alhissa or Old Medeggio(sp) and then go north to the Pale.
I know I want both the Pale and the HS to be against the PCs just as they are against each other -- giving the PCs very few places to turn or NPCs to trust.
I have the concept for the High Priest of Pholtus BBEG and, now that I have confirmed more "creative freedom" with the HS, I can begin designing my HS NPC designs. I will likely go ahead and grab Markosian though Warduke is a bit too high level to be more than an off-stage ornament.
Another few weeks of mulling things over and I'll be ready to create my MacGuffin for the PCs. Then I'll begin to second-guess what I think PCs will typically do and build the framework of the campaign.
I'm not a sandbox-type DM; nonetheless, I don't design too much beyond the major NPCs (their personalities,resources, goals and what will happen on a timeline if PCs don't intervine), major locations (for fluff and atmosphere) and the style and power-level of the overall campaign I want. Then comes the MacGuffin and I start giving the PCs the clues and such about the NPCs and such -- they pretty much take over from there.
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Until then, if you're interested, check out the campaign I'm currently in on the Campaign Journals Forumn titled "The Wizard of Witchfire Mt: A Sandbox Campaign in the Sterich March."
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I read the Warduke Critical Threat. He seems to be the LE "do-boy" -- you know, a typically dumb, CE grunt useful only because he is amazingly badass.
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.The campaign I'm "designing" is going slowly.
I know I want the Theocracy of the Pale and The Horned Society to be involved and to be antagonists against each other. I'm pretty sure I want to begin down south in Alhissa or Old Medeggio(sp) and then go north to the Pale.
I know I want both the Pale and the HS to be against the PCs just as they are against each other -- giving the PCs very few places to turn or NPCs to trust.
I have the concept for the High Priest of Pholtus BBEG and, now that I have confirmed more "creative freedom" with the HS, I can begin designing my HS NPC designs. I will likely go ahead and grab Markosian though Warduke is a bit too high level to be more than an off-stage ornament.
Another few weeks of mulling things over and I'll be ready to create my MacGuffin for the PCs. Then I'll begin to second-guess what I think PCs will typically do and build the framework of the campaign.
I'm not a sandbox-type DM; nonetheless, I don't design too much beyond the major NPCs (their personalities,resources, goals and what will happen on a timeline if PCs don't intervine), major locations (for fluff and atmosphere) and the style and power-level of the overall campaign I want. Then comes the MacGuffin and I start giving the PCs the clues and such about the NPCs and such -- they pretty much take over from there.
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Until then, if you're interested, check out the campaign I'm currently in on the Campaign Journals Forumn titled "The Wizard of Witchfire Mt: A Sandbox Campaign in the Sterich March."
Just read some of that today at lunch. Good stuff. I love the priest of Vecna with the steel cage wagon lead by skeleton horses. Very good background and the two competing villians the Azure Prince and the wizard of witchfire Mountain. I can't wait to see that whole thing flesh out.
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I've gone to Canonfire a couple times in the last couple weeks but I can't find anything -- that is -- I can't find anything on how to find anything.
I'm sure it's mostly because I give myself only a few minutes to really look and I don't really like trying to figure out how a website works. So I get frustrated pretty quickly and leave.
That's why I come here for help -- I know this website pretty well.
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Eduardo, where does it say Markosian is a Hierarch? Brunner's adventure is pretty clear on establishing his "non-official" role with the Horned Society.
I also remember a more recent article/writeup regarding the HS that linked previous canon with some material from the BoVD (ie making the Dread Emperor (wizard 10/diabolist 10) the First Hierarch, who went insane and exiled himself to the Ethereal plane until the Unnamable Hierarch beat the insanity out of him and brought him back to the folds of the Society). There's also the fact that the UH returned from the dead due to a pact with Baalzebul and is now apparently a Greater Baatezu (possibly a cornugon).
Now that would be a great read. Maybe one day you'll have time to find it and post a link???
. . . . Since you mention it, I do see a greater similarity between The Great Kingdom and Cheliax. And since I've got a good handle on "how I see" Ahlissa in my Homebrew it's easy to see the differences between Cheliax and GH stuff.
I also remember a more recent article/writeup regarding the HS that linked previous canon with some material from the BoVD (ie making the Dread Emperor (wizard 10/diabolist 10) the First Hierarch, who went insane and exiled himself to the Ethereal plane until the Unnamable Hierarch beat the insanity out of him and brought him back to the folds of the Society). There's also the fact that the UH returned from the dead due to a pact with Baalzebul and is now apparently a Greater Baatezu (possibly a cornugon).Now that would be a great read. Maybe one day you'll have time to find it and post a link???
Just searching for horned society and scrolling a bit gave me this text on the HS. The search tool is indispensable.
Stefan
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Just searching for horned society and scrolling a bit gave me this text on the HS. The search tool is indispensable.
Stefan
Good find, Stefan. Rasgon is one of our best authors over at CF. His research is always thorough. You'd be hard pressed to find a Greyhawk (or Planescape) reference he doesn't know about. Trust me, I've tried.
WE Ray: If you need any help finding more GH info or just want feedback in addition to here at Paizo, try the CF forums out. We're usually pretty quick on the draw for answers.
-mortellan (forum mod at CF)