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Thor's Nuts! What a Pandora's box I opened up there!

Fromper wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Drock11 wrote:
With the quote shenanigans in this thread aside is anybody else starting to like the irony in how Belker is slowly developing into the only sane person in the group, especially when it comes to vampire Durkon?
Yup. He was trying to fake character growth, and now he might walk into real character growth accidentally.

I'd just like to point out that I wrote that just a few hours before the new strip was posted, where Belkar says:

Quote:

People don't just change who they are inside in an instant. It doesn't work like that. It takes time, so you don't even know you're changing.

Until one day, you're just a little bit different than you used to be and you can't even tell what the hell happened.

Definitely a double meaning situation, of Belkar talking about both Durkon and himself at the same time.

I'm not right all the time, but when I am, it seems to usually be about Belkar for some reason.

There's an easy explanation for this: Fromper IS Belkar! DUNH Dunh dunh!

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Itchy wrote:

Thor's Nuts! What a Pandora's box I opened up there!

Fromper wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Drock11 wrote:
With the quote shenanigans in this thread aside is anybody else starting to like the irony in how Belker is slowly developing into the only sane person in the group, especially when it comes to vampire Durkon?
Yup. He was trying to fake character growth, and now he might walk into real character growth accidentally.

I'd just like to point out that I wrote that just a few hours before the new strip was posted, where Belkar says:

Quote:

People don't just change who they are inside in an instant. It doesn't work like that. It takes time, so you don't even know you're changing.

Until one day, you're just a little bit different than you used to be and you can't even tell what the hell happened.

Definitely a double meaning situation, of Belkar talking about both Durkon and himself at the same time.

I'm not right all the time, but when I am, it seems to usually be about Belkar for some reason.

There's an easy explanation for this: Fromper IS Belkar! DUNH Dunh dunh!

You've never seen us in the same place at the same time, have you?

But no, obviously I can't be Belkar. After all, I wear glasses, and he doesn't. It's the same reason you know Clark Kent can't be Superman.

Scarab Sages

Fromper wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Drock11 wrote:
With the quote shenanigans in this thread aside is anybody else starting to like the irony in how Belker is slowly developing into the only sane person in the group, especially when it comes to vampire Durkon?
Yup. He was trying to fake character growth, and now he might walk into real character growth accidentally.

I'd just like to point out that I wrote that just a few hours before the new strip was posted, where Belkar says:

Quote:

People don't just change who they are inside in an instant. It doesn't work like that. It takes time, so you don't even know you're changing.

Until one day, you're just a little bit different than you used to be and you can't even tell what the hell happened.

Definitely a double meaning situation, of Belkar talking about both Durkon and himself at the same time.

I'm not right all the time, but when I am, it seems to usually be about Belkar for some reason.

Yeah. I think Belkar has moved to the Neutral side of the Chaotic pool. He still loves to stab thing, but his newfound attachments to Mr. Scruffy and Bloodfeast have softened him up a little.


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Imbicatus wrote:
Yeah. I think Belkar has moved to the Neutral side of the Chaotic pool. He still loves to stab thing, but his newfound attachments to Mr. Scruffy and Bloodfeast have softened him up a little.

I can't help but feel - given Rich's style of writing - that this means we are reaching the stage where Belkar is more likely to get killed. Rich has shown us that just when we see a strong moment of growth for a character, that's usually a good time to drop the hammer.

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Fromper wrote:
But no, obviously I can't be Belkar. After all, I wear glasses, and he doesn't. It's the same reason you know Clark Kent can't be Superman.

And now I hope the staff gives you a custom avatar. Just the Belkar avatar, but with glasses drawn on.

Scarab Sages

Fromper wrote:


You've never seen us in the same place at the same time, have you?

But no, obviously I can't be Belkar. After all, I wear glasses, and he doesn't. It's the same reason you know Clark Kent can't be Superman.

I know you're not Belkar, because there is no way Belkar would EVER willingly look like *gag* Roy.


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This isn't really anything to do with the last couple of strips, but someday I hope a villain gets sneaky and hits the party with some type dispel magic effect, never realizing that Bloodfeast is a polymorphed T-rex.

Silver Crusade

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Drock11 wrote:
This isn't really anything to do with the last couple of strips, but someday I hope a villain gets sneaky and hits the party with some type dispel magic effect, never realizing that Bloodfeast is a polymorphed T-rex.

I was thinking V will intentionally wait to dispel that at the moment when it'll do the most good.


It will still love/follow Belkar.

I think at some point even Roy will realise Belkar is right on this one, but there are the loose ends with Durkon's 'return' to tie up first and I don't think Durkon has finished fighting the vampire yet.


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Has Roy actually disagreed with Belkar, or is he just effectively saying, "Well, Durkula's useful, so I'm not going to let you kill him, yet?"


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I think Belkar really thinks it is not Durkon there, as shown by his "people don't change in an instant" monologue. He says "I was there when Durkon died...", not "I was there when you died" or "I was there when you turned."

It is going to take a lot, I mean A LOT, for Roy to accept that Durkon is dead. Despite any and all increasing evidence against Durkon, he will still remain in denial. Durkon is his dearest and oldest friend. They have faced impossible adversity together. Through it, Durkon has been that wise father that has Roy has always desperately longed for and never had in his own father, even when his father was alive (or even when they met in the afterlife). No, Roy is going to be the last one to come around. Indeed, even when the truth is plain and revealed, Roy may not be able to 'pull the trigger' against "Durkon".

Most likely, he'll get Haley on board next. It will probably be pretty easy; I'm sure she has her own suspicions.


markofbane wrote:
Most likely, he'll get Haley on board next. It will probably be pretty easy; I'm sure she has her own suspicions.

That would be a smart move for Belkar, and an interesting way to take the plot. I could also see Belkar talking to V about it, first. Sure, they don't like each other, but V is even more logical than Haley.

Silver Crusade

Yup. Belkar needs to learn to not always take the direct approach. Confronting Durkula on his own was a dumb idea. Talking to smartest and most suspicious team members (Vaarsuvius and Haley) to get them on board is his best way to go.

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Andostre wrote:
Has Roy actually disagreed with Belkar, or is he just effectively saying, "Well, Durkula's useful, so I'm not going to let you kill him, yet?"

I think that it was Roy denying the idea that the only sane party member other than him is now plotting against them. And that Belkar might be right.

Liberty's Edge

Re-read the latest strip and just realized that Belkar has Favored Enemy : Undead (and probably at a high level) :-)

Which just might explain how he was on to Durkula (thanks to the favored enemy bonus on Sense Motive) ;-))


I'm surprised Elan hasn't figured out the plot twist yet, or maybe he has but is waiting for the most dramatic moment to reveal what he knows.


Xabulba wrote:
I'm surprised Elan hasn't figured out the plot twist yet, or maybe he has but is waiting for the most dramatic moment to reveal what he knows.

That's plot element (joke?) that can't be used every single time. Aside from overshadowing every other plot element, it limits the directions the author can go with them. My suspicion is that most of the time, Elan's plot-twist-sense® will be overlooked more often than not. And espeically now, right after it was used to draw Julio Scoundrel into the story.

Scarab Sages

Honestly, I think we are going to get Belkula as a Spawn of Durkula for the next step. We know that Belkar is going to die from the prophesy, and since Belkar is going to not drop the Durkula hunt, Durkula will likely turn him. Hell, Roy may approve of the idea since as a spawn, he would be directly under "Durkon's" control.

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Imbicatus wrote:
Honestly, I think we are going to get Belkula as a Spawn of Durkula for the next step. We know that Belkar is going to die from the prophesy, and since Belkar is going to not drop the Durkula hunt, Durkula will likely turn him. Hell, Roy may approve of the idea since as a spawn, he would be directly under "Durkon's" control.

Or Durkula may just kill him outright. ... in self-defense, of course.


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New comic!

Link!

Aaaand commentary!

"Ugh. This is just like when he tried to get Miko to kill him, just to get her in trouble."

I'm still not convinced that Roy isn't somewhat aware of Durkula's true nature. He'll have to make a statement like that out of Durkula's hearing before I start to think he's been fooled.

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Andostre wrote:
I'm still not convinced that Roy isn't somewhat aware of Durkula's true nature. He'll have to make a statement like that out of Durkula's hearing before I start to think he's been fooled.

He may be "somewhat aware, but is likely denying (to himself) the truth of it.

Silver Crusade

So I'm trying to figure out the flashback to Durkon's childhood when Durkula is feeding on Elan. Durkon's mother is there (she stands out because of the missing arm), so the kid is obviously Durkon.

Who is it that's seeing that flashback? Is there some sort of psychic information transfer going on, where Elan is seeing Durkon's memory during the feeding? Could this be how Durkon calls out for help? Will one of the two dwarven songs mentioned in that flashback be the hint Elan needs to figure out what's going on? After all, between his performing talent and bardic knowledge, he might just recognize them, or possibly just want to go look them up to learn new songs.


It could also be when the vampire loses control momentarily...


strayshift wrote:
It could also be when the vampire loses control momentarily...

Hmm... Elan was saying that it was really "dark" inside his head. Was that memory we saw passed on to Elan, somehow? Durkon grew up undergound, after all.


Fromper wrote:
Is there some sort of psychic information transfer going on, where Elan is seeing Durkon's memory during the feeding? Could this be how Durkon calls out for help? Will one of the two dwarven songs mentioned in that flashback be the hint Elan needs to figure out what's going on? After all, between his performing talent and bardic knowledge, he might just recognize them, or possibly just want to go look them up to learn new songs.

That is an interesting thought. Andostre makes a good observation.

I found the flashback to be a bit out of place, which means that it is important. I'm guessing that the song about how the Dwarves gave Freya her necklace is the relevant one. I have no idea what the "necklace" is, but I'm sure all will be illuminated in the future.

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The flashback happened just after Elan talked about "an old dwarven song" and it looks suspiciously like the answer to such a query when sifting through Durkon's memories.

Maybe, when Durkula bites, there is a connection created that will show the memory corresponding to whatever words the bitten character utters.

We just need V or Haley saying the right words at the right time (for whatever reasons) and get the right flashback that will show them what Durkula is up to.


Itchy wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Is there some sort of psychic information transfer going on, where Elan is seeing Durkon's memory during the feeding? Could this be how Durkon calls out for help? Will one of the two dwarven songs mentioned in that flashback be the hint Elan needs to figure out what's going on? After all, between his performing talent and bardic knowledge, he might just recognize them, or possibly just want to go look them up to learn new songs.

That is an interesting thought. Andostre makes a good observation.

I found the flashback to be a bit out of place, which means that it is important. I'm guessing that the song about how the Dwarves gave Freya her necklace is the relevant one. I have no idea what the "necklace" is, but I'm sure all will be illuminated in the future.

Well the necklace would be Brísingamen, but I've got no idea what the significance here is.


Am I the only one who picked up a dirty innuendo vibe from the mention of the necklace by the winking old dwarf, only to have the bard say that one is best saved for when the child is out of the room?


Yep, the story about how Freja got her necklace has lots of room for dirty interpretation even in the censored versions.


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Yeah, had to go get a refresher on that story.

Inappropriate:
Freya's a whore.

Silver Crusade

Shadowborn wrote:
Am I the only one who picked up a dirty innuendo vibe from the mention of the necklace by the winking old dwarf, only to have the bard say that one is best saved for when the child is out of the room?

I was thinking the same thing.


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For reference on the myth.


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That's way more mythology than I knew about that bit of innuendo. Here I was thinking more along the lines of ZZ Top's song.


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Shadowborn wrote:
Am I the only one who picked up a dirty innuendo vibe from the mention of the necklace by the winking old dwarf, only to have the bard say that one is best saved for when the child is out of the room?

Yes.

For me that was blatant reference, not innuendo :P


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Wow, that's... a tad inappropriate!


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Itchy wrote:
Wow, that's... a tad inappropriate!

but.. but... people didn't have stories with SEX Back then!!!


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Wow, that's... a tad inappropriate!
but.. but... people didn't have stories with SEX Back then!!!

Wait a minute...

O_O:
Not only were there not stories with sex back then, people didn't have sex back then. Sex was invented for the movies in the 20th century. I thought that was common knowledge!

Are you trying to imply that Freya had to engage in carnal relations with the dwarves for that necklace? I thought she just had to lie next to each of them for a night. You all are reading too much into the stories.


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Itchy wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Wow, that's... a tad inappropriate!
but.. but... people didn't have stories with SEX Back then!!!

Wait a minute...

** spoiler omitted **

And prince Charming only had to "KISS" sleeping beauty to wake her up in the original stories.


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::Whistles tunelessly, avoiding eye contact all the while...::


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And that Icelandic Saga, where the jealous queen mother casts a spell on the hero that makes his 'equipment' too big should he attempt to consummate his marriage...

Or that bit where King Arthur kills a giant that has killed a princess in a particularly *eye-watering for a woman* manner...

Or the bit where Cu chulainn tells Emer where he would like to place his 'weapon'...

Yeah, no sex in old stories.


We can see Team Evil watch two dwarves have sex via crystal ball, but then get surprised when we see a memory of a mention of a myth that includes sex?


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Wow. I need to make my sarcasm clearer.

[sarcasm]Wow, That's a tad... inappropriate![/sarcasm]

Clearer?

[sarcasm]The internet clearly needs to invent a "sarcasm" emoticon just for people like me.[/sarcasm]


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And we're up!

New comic shattrers 4th wall but implies action figures!

I'm not enjoying bandana'a accent/speech pattern.
She sounds halfway dwarven/halfway teenager.

I would like to see a list of magice items the team is planning on selling, just to try to link them to battles.


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Cornielius wrote:

And we're up!

Linkified!

I thought the "Low Self-Esteem" Haley Action Figure was nice touch.
I like the Bandana character, but it does have the "upgraded from basic NPC" status like Rich did with Katzumi and Daigo maybe.


Alex Martin wrote:
Cornielius wrote:

And we're up!

Linkified!

I thought the "Low Self-Esteem" Haley Action Figure was nice touch.
I like the Bandana character, but it does have the "upgraded from basic NPC" status like Rich did with Katzumi and Daigo maybe.

Does he have a name?


Caineach wrote:
Alex Martin wrote:
Cornielius wrote:

And we're up!

Linkified!

I thought the "Low Self-Esteem" Haley Action Figure was nice touch.
I like the Bandana character, but it does have the "upgraded from basic NPC" status like Rich did with Katzumi and Daigo maybe.

Does he have a name?

She, actually.

And she's apparently called Bandana.


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thejeff wrote:

She, actually.

And she's apparently called Bandana.

Yep and yep.

Personal backstory + motivation + Name = No longer generic NPC.

The question is, is that enough to save her from NPC/Redshirt death? Or is she going to serve as an "example death" if things get ugly with Vampire Durkon, for instance.


I don't know about you, but I was pissed whan Batman slapped Robin so hard it killed him.

I mean, yeah, Robin could be a moron sometimes, but he was pretty good at his job.

He never complained about his ridiculous outfit. That made him worth keeping, right there.

I may never be able to forgive the Batman.


Alex Martin wrote:
thejeff wrote:

She, actually.

And she's apparently called Bandana.

Yep and yep.

Personal backstory + motivation + Name = No longer generic NPC.

The question is, is that enough to save her from NPC/Redshirt death? Or is she going to serve as an "example death" if things get ugly with Vampire Durkon, for instance.

This series of posts gives me a hunch that she will be in the story for awhile.

Post, and follow-up posts here, here, and here.


Ménage à Elan coming up.

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