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Paizo Employee Master of Coin

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
No, it is a sign of being willing and able to study, prepare, write, and test for comprehension and retention. I worked my ass off in college. Most people who have a bachelor's degree worked hard in college. Recognizing that work is not an "artificial gate."

As someone working on his second bachelor's degree: I'm working my ass off.

It is *not* something that you can skate by and do just by showing up and throwing money at it.

Paizo Employee Master of Coin

Drejk wrote:
A few generations at least before that happens. And major changes in the very process of learning and structure of...

If, at any point, most people have a master's degree or higher, it will be because the requirements for getting one have been lowered. The point of them is that they are hard to get and not everyone *can*.

Qadira RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

Chris Self wrote:
Drejk wrote:
A few generations at least before that happens. And major changes in the very process of learning and structure of...
If, at any point, most people have a master's degree or higher, it will be because the requirements for getting one have been lowered. The point of them is that they are hard to get and not everyone *can*.

Or, they are delivered largely online for part-time students and enrollment in one becomes expected for many jobs. It would dilute the purpose, but it could happen.

Personally, I don't place a lot of stock in academic credentials but it is evidence of some level of organizational skills and diligence. Consistently high marks on a transcript over four years is impressive, but the degree alone is less impressive.

Paizo Employee Developer

Coridan wrote:
This isn't specifically directed at this job posting, I would do it for free until recognized as worth being paid if paizo wasn't 3000 miles away.

That's what I did.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Jeremiziah wrote:
I guess my point was, it'd be nice if there was some widely accepted way of saying what you just said. Actually, there is: "or equivalent experience". But, thet's a designation that's not always used in situations where it might be.

Job listings are a funny thing. When you write one, you need to consider whether you're drafting a "shoot for the moon" list that describes your ideal candidate, or a list of the bare minimum requirements for the job. The problem is that if you do the former, you won't get many resumes, and you may well miss the candidate who's better in one area that you'd hoped for, but not as good in another area that you didn't really care all that much about. And if you do the latter, you'll get way too many resumes and spend a lot of precious time weeding out people that really aren't what you're looking for.

In this case, I think we settled in between, as most people do. Truth be told, there's a good chance that the person we hire will have particular strengths that we didn't ask for, and there's a possibility that those strengths may outweigh some stated requirement they don't quite meet, but that we might not value as highly as we thought. But they'll have to work a little bit harder to convince us of that.

So, bottom line, there are probably a couple of places where we could say "or equivalent." But doing that may come with a cost, so we didn't. If you think you can make an "equivalent" case for yourself, go for it.


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Jeremiziah wrote:

Oh, I get it, believe me - I've worked my way to a respectable position despite the way the job reqs were worded. I guess my point was, it'd be nice if there was some widely accepted way of saying what you just said. Actually, there is: "or equivalent experience". But, thet's a designation that's not always used in situations where it might be.

Sorry, I'd actually meant to say something similar to what you did above but somehow ended up distracting myself with the rest of my post! But basically I agree. I tend to always read "or equivalent experience" after a degree is mentioned, though it would be good if stating that in the job description was a more common practice where applicable. But yeah, probably I should stop helping to derail the thread too! But I always find degrees an interesting area of discussion. :)


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Chris Self wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
No, it is a sign of being willing and able to study, prepare, write, and test for comprehension and retention. I worked my ass off in college. Most people who have a bachelor's degree worked hard in college. Recognizing that work is not an "artificial gate."

As someone working on his second bachelor's degree: I'm working my ass off.

It is *not* something that you can skate by and do just by showing up and throwing money at it.

Hope that the second degree is going well Chris! I went back to do my master's part-time after I started work. It meant that I was crazy busy for a while, but I actually really enjoyed it. Knowing that I was studying purely because I wanted to was quite liberating... Hope that you have as much fun with it in between the hard work as I did!

Okay... I'll stop derailing the thread now really... Good luck to everyone applying!


Do you have any idea when the job would start? (Like the broadest of terms. 6 months, 1 year, ect)


Sean K Reynolds wrote:


No, it does proves commitment. If you can't manage to get a degree in 4-6 years at a college, then you're just skating along.

Hah! Or 8 years in my case :). I was working full time and going to school at night though! At least I got my Masters in 2 years ;)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Scott_UAT wrote:
Do you have any idea when the job would start? (Like the broadest of terms. 6 months, 1 year, ect)

ASAP.

We need a new developer now. Realistically, I don't suspect whoever we DO end up hiring will be able to start until the new year or thereabouts unless they're already living out here in the Redmond/Seattle area, but we can certainly put a new hire to work immediately.

We'll probably need more developers later as well—this will not by any means be the last time we hire a developer.

Andoran

I'm planning to have my application finalized and sent out at the end of this week. I can't even think of a time when this job wasn't my secret wish.

Good luck to everyone applying!

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Scott_UAT wrote:
Do you have any idea when the job would start? (Like the broadest of terms. 6 months, 1 year, ect)

We'll probably have finished eating the last one by the end of Thanksgiving weekend, so any time now would be great.

Spoiler:
Oops. I didn't mean to say that out loud.

Spoiler:
Also, I thought we were talking about *interns*. We don't eat developers.


Vic Wertz wrote:


We'll probably have finished eating the last one by the end of Thanksgiving weekend, so any time now would be great.

Yum, tastes like chicken!

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Also, I thought we were talking about *interns*. We don't eat developers.

You wait until they develop into something more tasty?

Andoran

Coridan wrote:


To Jodi I just want to remind I am not an applicant for this position and it is not due to the degree requirement (which wouldn't stop me from applying if my boyfriend and I weren't tied down to New Jersey) and that I have volunteered for paizo before and don't see why volunteering suggests that I am not a good fit.

What I meant by that, was if you HAVE to volunteer and work for free until you're recognized then you are in no way qualified for a developer position. Sometimes those guys have to REWRITE entire sections that freelancers mess up on, don't turn in or fall out in some other way. I've seen that happen often and you gotta be able to hop on that job without warning at the last minute. Someone that has to work for free to prove themselves does not sound like they could be a good candidate for a job that has a lot of responsibility.

Now, you could definitely do some self publishing (working for free, but not working for Paizo yet) until you're recognized...that's the key. Go for it, I look forward to seeing things you publish, post links on here to your works. I am SURE you'd get TONS of feedback. ;o)

Taldor

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It's interesting to see the perspective on university courses here.

I went to two of the world's top universities (Nottingham and Oxford) and they regularly suggested/implied that the status of the institution you attended would be recognised by employers.

Maybe it's just different in the UK.


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
I thought RoleMaster was the game developed by lawyers.

Monte Cook worked for Iron Crown on Rolemaster :-)


I would apply, but the whole "degree" thing is a problem. I only have most of a degree and don't see myself going back and finishing in the near future.


GeraintElberion wrote:

I went to two of the world's top universities (Nottingham and Oxford) and they regularly suggested/implied that the status of the institution you attended would be recognised by employers.

Maybe it's just different in the UK.

I would say it depends in the U.S. Generally I would say where you went has more weight for post-graduate degrees than for your undergrad. For example, getting a law degree from an Ivy League school definitely puts you on the fast track to getting certain kinds of lawyer jobs but having an undergrad degree from the same institutions doesn't really have the same kind of weight. People will recognize the name of the school and may be impressed but in terms of what that yields in terms of actual success in job hunting is questionable.

Definitely some people prefer to hire from the school they went to, but that isn't necessarily a measure of whether that school is objectively good. Graduates of the two big schools in Texas are (fairly or not, I won't try to say) infamous for this.

Occasionally you'll see a job posting that requests a graduate of one of what are reputed to be the top two or three schools for that field, but I would say this is very rare -- I've only seen it once or twice total in my own career.

For most positions, I would say HR is interested that you have the degree they're looking for or something vaguely similar (or in some cases, any bachelor's at all) and which school you went to will never be relevant.


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Personally I think the requirements look perfectly OK. At least there's no "minimum 5-10 years of experience in top-tier tabletop-RPG and/or publishing industry required." ;)

Good luck for those applying and may Paizo choose a worthy candidate.:)


Vic Wertz wrote:
Scott_UAT wrote:
Do you have any idea when the job would start? (Like the broadest of terms. 6 months, 1 year, ect)

We'll probably have finished eating the last one by the end of Thanksgiving weekend, so any time now would be great.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Well, enjoy the festive of food. I am about to go do that tonight myself :D


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Not to undermine the importance that I place on having an English degree, but we're also happy to consider applicants with educations in related fields. We have developers with degrees in history and film rather then English, after all. That being said, they have their jobs here largely because we knew and were impressed by their work and offered them jobs based on that.

As a gamer, who wouldn't be interested in this position, and considering I live about 50 miles north of Redmond, I qualify as far as location goes, but I have no degrees in anything other than on my thermometer, which currently is reading very cold this morning. I do have 28 consecutive years of dedication to the industry I currently work for to my credit, though. I don't know if company loyalty matters at all, but I do once I find a good job I enjoy, I tend to treat it like family.

Still, the one major disqualification for me is I'm an old school gamer, and I never have been able to get into d20 D&D other than little bits now and then I can take from it and edit for usability in my AD&D game. I have plenty of those types of editing skills. Heh. I suppose I could attempt to learn d20 for the position, but I'll pass. Good luck to all the applicants!

Paizo Employee Senior Developer

Vic Wertz wrote:
Scott_UAT wrote:
Do you have any idea when the job would start? (Like the broadest of terms. 6 months, 1 year, ect)

We'll probably have finished eating the last one by the end of Thanksgiving weekend, so any time now would be great.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Yay for non-edible developers!

*Looks over his shoulder just in case Vic is there with a knife and fork.*

Andoran

Sean K Reynolds wrote:


No, it does proves commitment. If you can't manage to get a degree in 4-6 years at a college, then you're just skating along. Finishing a degree requires work, commitment to goals, and meeting deadlines. Saying otherwise is an insult to people who have finished a 4-year degree, and shows you're arguing from a position of ignorance.

To be fair, a college degree really shows that at some 4-6 year period in your life, you proved your commitment.

I know a few people who didn't succeed in college but have since developed a a fine sense of commitment and a reputation for excellence in their chosen fields.

I also know more than a few people who worked extremely hard and earned their degree in their late teens/early twenties and have since taken to resting on their laurels and coasting along in a manner that can only be described as mediocre.

In short, the world is a big place, and in it you'll find both people that finished college and are currently burnt-out and lazy, and people who didn't finish college and have since matured into driven, hardworking professionals. Both of those types of people will in turn live and work alongside committed, goal-oriented college graduates and the stereotypical college dropout who is still just "coasting along", as you put it.

None of that is in any way implying a lack of respect for those who earned a college degree; I have all the respect in the world for those who have. Was I just coasting along in college? Sure! That was half a lifetime ago, though. Do I feel as though I'm less of a person for want of that particular piece of paper? Not at all. Nor would anyone else, if a fair judgement of my person was to be made at this moment in time.

By jove, I must stop derailing this thread, which is really about the people who will apply for this wonderful job, and wishing them success! So, Success!

Paizo Employee Creative Director

I gotta be honest... I'm a bit surprised at how many folks seem to essentially be taking offense at the fact that we're looking for the most qualified person we can find to fill this job. Doing anything less on our end would be not only a grave disservice to ourselves, but also to the company's owners AND to all of our customers, who expect and deserve quality products from us.

In any event—let's leave behind the nit-picking about the (in my opinion, completely reasonable) job requirements—thanks!

Andoran

James Jacobs wrote:

I gotta be honest... I'm a bit surprised at how many folks seem to essentially be taking offense at the fact that we're looking for the most qualified person we can find to fill this job. Doing anything less on our end would be not only a grave disservice to ourselves, but also to the company's owners AND to all of our customers, who expect and deserve quality products from us.

In any event—let's leave behind the nit-picking about the (in my opinion, completely reasonable) job requirements—thanks!

I was worried that my post would be read that way.

That's not at all what I meant, James, and I apologize if it came across that way. Personally, I've tried to stress repeatedly in previous posts that I think your requirements are exactly right for your needs, that I think they'll net you a ton of qualified applicants, and that people should respect your right to hire whoever you wish.

The discussion about degrees and how they reflect on people who have them as opposed to people that don't really should have moved to the off-topic forum a long time ago.

Again, I apologize for my part in this.


James Jacobs wrote:

I gotta be honest... I'm a bit surprised at how many folks seem to essentially be taking offense at the fact that we're looking for the most qualified person we can find to fill this job. Doing anything less on our end would be not only a grave disservice to ourselves, but also to the company's owners AND to all of our customers, who expect and deserve quality products from us.

In any event—let's leave behind the nit-picking about the (in my opinion, completely reasonable) job requirements—thanks!

The job requirements are very reasonable. As you say I would expect nothing less from Paizo, which is now my sole source for adventure material now. Please continue hiring as high quality individuals as you can especially for a very important position like this one.

Your job requirements should INSPIRE people to get degrees not cause them to whine about not having them. Believe me I spent many years working in my field without a degree and used all the same arguments as those in this thread about the validity of having one.

Bottom line: you just have to buckle down and get that degree. You know you can do it.

Cheliax

Degree is a sign of maturity? Uhm... me, Yoda (Mark) and Mairkurion are probably the exception to this! ;P

But, seriously, I just can't understand this fuss about Paizo requiring an editor to have at least bachelor's degree; around here it is the *norm*, and even if it isn't required, you're unlikely to get a job without one (unless you're applying for a low-salary job such as a store clerk or construction worker). For example, in Finland you cannot become a librarian without a degree -- unless you apply for a job in the most remote areas of the country and get lucky (i.e. none of the applicants have a degree).

As James and Sean have said, it shows determination and commitment; in addition, a degree requires a lot of work and gives you the right "tools" for a variety of professions. I don't mean to sound condescending, but even decades of writing killer campaigns and adventures for weekly/monthly games does not automatically make you a good editor or developer. Neither does a degree, but years of studying and writing numerous essays and assignments (often with tight deadlines) -- plus your thesis -- prepares you in so many ways for a job like this.


<Partially out of topic>
A former employer I had once told me that whenever he was posting for hiring, he'd always ask for higher qualification. This mainly to get either, more qualified people to apply or to get under-qualified person that believe enough in their capabilities to send their resume. These guys were hired more often, because in our business, one needs to be confident enough to make the good decision under pressure as deadlines were not to be pushed back and any hesitation may end up in delays and delays meant loss of money.

For sure we were bound to do mistake at first, but he was giving us smaller project where errors were not as costly and by doing these mistakes we did learn a lot, and later on we were able to be more efficient on bigger project.
</Partially out of topic>

So don't worry about qualifications, if you think you are fit for the job, send your resume. Believe in yourself and in your skills. Show them you're fit for the job. The worst that may happen is that they won't call you back.

Good luck to all

___________________________
Dany Béland alias Mordo
who loves is job to much to try out on this posting :D


juanpsantiagoXIV wrote:
I would apply, but the whole "degree" thing is a problem. I only have most of a degree and don't see myself going back and finishing in the near future.

You should take a shot at it anyway. First, they have said that lack of a degree is not a bar to employment, just probably a disadvantage. Second, I learn something every time I take a shot at a job. Every time I apply for something I learn and improve. Every time I try I think,"I just realized this way would be good" or "I could have done such-and-such more effectively" or "Next time I think I will try it this way instead," plus I feel good about myself for giving it my best effort. Even if I don't get the job I win because I grow personally and professionally.


James Jacobs wrote:

I gotta be honest... I'm a bit surprised at how many folks seem to essentially be taking offense at the fact that we're looking for the most qualified person we can find to fill this job.

Nah, I think that was mostly offense at the schooling system and job market these years.

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In any event—let's leave behind the nit-picking about the (in my opinion, completely reasonable) job requirements—thanks!

Nay! We shall moan and cry and (checking in dictionary) nit-pick and rant about it until it will be the longest thread on the forum! ;)

Besides it is fun to know opinions about degrees from different people in different countries.


[humour] Of course, here in the UK we have degrees in Surf Science (and Technology) offered at one of our universities. [/humour]

Yes it's an easy target to poke fun at, and I know the press/media over here do so regularly, and I apologise to anyone who has worked hard to get one... Looking at the article in detail, I note that some of such a course can involve engineering or marine research.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Coming from the Northern California coast... I can confirm that surfing is serious business.


James Jacobs wrote:
I gotta be honest... I'm a bit surprised at how many folks seem to essentially be taking offense at the fact that we're looking for the most qualified person we can find to fill this job.

The ultimate cause is that your posting fails to recognize and trumpet the superiority of classicists over all other degree-holders. We all know that the person you really want is someone conversant with the truly great works of literature, not the weak and derivative scribblings of some barbaric French-Anglo-Saxon bastardized descendant tongue.

(Or more seriously, perhaps that people are bummed they don't meet the requirements, as I'm sure working for Paizo would be a sweet job)


Coriat wrote:
(Or more seriously, perhaps that people are bummed they don't meet the requirements, as I'm sure working for Paizo would be a sweet job)

Us don't meeting requirements? It's Paizo HQ the one being on the wrong side of the world!

Andoran

Academic study to a given level confers more than just a knowledge of the subject in question, and it's often those qualities that employers are looking for. Naturally, sometimes the job requires subject knowledge and if your degree happens to be in something else, then you need to be prepared to demonstrate that you have the requisite knowledge or skills for the position.

My line manager at my previous college always said that had there a qualification in role-playing, I'd have been a shoe-in to teach it! However, when delivering staff development on e-learning, the dummy course I set up was on my other hobby, medals.


On a very odd note, I had a dream related to this thread last night.

Qadira RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

Scott_UAT wrote:
On a very odd note, I had a dream related to this thread last night.

In this dream did you find out you got the job? Because I don't think that is how the successful candidate will be contacted. They'll probably use email. ;-)


Tarren Dei wrote:
Scott_UAT wrote:
On a very odd note, I had a dream related to this thread last night.
In this dream did you find out you got the job? Because I don't think that is how the successful candidate will be contacted. They'll probably use email. ;-)

lol

If only right?

Andoran

It's a rare night that I don't have a dream related to role-playing... :)

Mind you, it's normally adventure and setting ideas. Plenty of them have made their way into things I've run, a good memory has its uses.

It's all about creating an alternate reality that will really come alive in the players' minds.

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

I just saw this on youtube. It exemplifies what James was talking about before about why a degree is important. And it has some awesome lines. "You may just inspire all the agents in New York to come hunt you down and burn you at the stake."

Link

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:

I just saw this on youtube. It exemplifies what James was talking about before about why a degree is important. And it has some awesome lines. "You may just inspire all the agents in New York to come hunt you down and burn you at the stake."

Link

Oh ye gods, too true....


Hm, I think I'am gona write a novel soon.
And I mean to relistically judge my chances. No way I am done before Christmas... I will just aim for New Year.


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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Hey everyone. We're currently searching for a new member of the Paizo editorial team. Having already talked to numerous gaming professionals, we wanted to broaden our search to include talented gamers whom we perhaps don't know about.

The position is for a new developer to work with us on Paizo's varied Pathfinder lines, with a focus on ordering new content, working with freelancers, managing continuity, sculpting freelance handovers into material adhering to our high standards, and various related tasks. This is an entry-level position that requires mastery of the English language, daily attendance in Redmond Washington, and an unbridled passion for RPGs, storytelling, and the varied arts that make a great Game Master.

You can read the full job description here.

We already have several candidates in consideration and would like to find the perfect fit in short order, so please send in your resumes as soon as possible. We will take down this posting when the position is filled. Thanks!

Has this position been filled yet? I don't see the job posted in the link.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Gray wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Hey everyone. We're currently searching for a new member of the Paizo editorial team. Having already talked to numerous gaming professionals, we wanted to broaden our search to include talented gamers whom we perhaps don't know about.

The position is for a new developer to work with us on Paizo's varied Pathfinder lines, with a focus on ordering new content, working with freelancers, managing continuity, sculpting freelance handovers into material adhering to our high standards, and various related tasks. This is an entry-level position that requires mastery of the English language, daily attendance in Redmond Washington, and an unbridled passion for RPGs, storytelling, and the varied arts that make a great Game Master.

You can read the full job description here.

We already have several candidates in consideration and would like to find the perfect fit in short order, so please send in your resumes as soon as possible. We will take down this posting when the position is filled. Thanks!

Has this position been filled yet? I don't see the job posted in the link.

Still shows up for me.

In any case, we have not yet filled this position yet.

Paizo Employee PostMonster General

One of the instances of the website wasn't showing that page for some reason, so I bounced it. (My second-level monk's rule: when in doubt, hit it with a stick.)


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Thank you!


Mr. Fishy would be so proud of you !

-- david
Papa.DRB

Gary Teter wrote:
One of the instances of the website wasn't showing that page for some reason, so I bounced it. (My second-level monk's rule: when in doubt, hit it with a stick.)

Andoran

Standard engineering, that.

Works with computers as well, the salutary effect of laying a large lump hammer (sledge) on the desk beside your PC...


James Jacobs wrote:

Still shows up for me.

In any case, we have not yet filled this position. -OR-

In any case, we have not filled this position yet.

Gettin' all edit-y. LOL!

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Benicio Del Espada wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Still shows up for me.

In any case, we have not yet filled this position. -OR-

In any case, we have not filled this position yet.

Gettin' all edit-y. LOL!

Snarky editing posts are automatically disqualified when they use internet jargon like "LOL," unfortunately. This also goes on your permanent hidden record in the Paizo Vault.

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