It's connected in with their changing TVotDT from an episodic road movie to a race against time with an overarching meta-mist-villain, never mind that they never took the time to explain where the mist came from or what it wanted. Dualism is easier: you have good, you have evil, they fight, big action scene, the end. No one has to think.
I think I read that bit you're talking about with The Two Towers: It had to do with changing Faramir from letting Sam and Frodo go (setting up the contrast between him and his brother) to trying to take them by force back to Gondor. The movie people said they had to make the change to make the Ring "menacing"; if Faramir had resisted temptation, it would have stripped the Ring of all corrupting power. Huh. Didn't realize Tolkien had failed to make the Ring sufficiently menacing and corruptive. If only he'd done better, people might still be reading the books today. Oh, wait....
And VotDT vs the faceless evil. It should have been episodic- stupid dualism. And I was sooooo looking forward to Reepicheep convincing them to push the sea serpent's coils off the ship. But I suppose we can't have brain over brawn either. :-/
And they can't (shouldn't :-/) use the WW because Edmund isn't around and Eustace has no real connection to her. At least she got a mention in PC for the movie to turn into an entire scene of angst and mighty combat.
Ah well. I guess we watch, wait and whinge when it comes out.
Just to check: her disarmed weapon dropped in her own square, correct? It hasn't flown across the room or anything?
If he does have greater disarm we may all be screwed :P. I often have my low level bad guy disarmers spend a move action to kick a disarmed weapon across the room, because I am EBIL.
He must have Greater because I didn't get an AoO. *goes to look up Greater Disarm*
Never mind: getting Improved and Greater mixed up.
Grall hasn't been hit again since this post:
Grall hurls the dead corpse of the Gnoll that is impaled on his sword against the wall with a sickening crunch and screams out in rage,
Karrrdswann, I am coming forrr you, yourrr marrrrow will be mine!!!!
you are no longer sure if he is in control of himself...[
So he should be barely on his feet. Going unconscious is a bad idea, though. Oh! but he has *Endless* Rage; maybe that doesn't end with unconsciousness.
Improved.
Good lord I'm not that mean.
The AP as written does suggest he likes to kick the weapon of the balcony though ....
Your thinking of Improved my dear Joana :)- which he apparently has.
Lol I wondered that too about the Endless thing but I think it giving him endless rage rounds as well as them not ending in unconciousness is a bit much.
I was thinking endless as long as he remains conscious and angry.
Well, I don't think angry is going to be a problem.
I really didnt want to bot him for this fight because I assumed he would have the kind of dillemma he has now. Its well and good to go down fighting trying to hit the BBEG, not so glorious if you die to a simple AOO from something with possible combat reflexes. He was a just a little far away for Haleen to put a cure moderate into him after the attack all Linah can manage is a cure light.
So I'm hoping he's in a position to post. He can scrub that earlier one.
While i'm posting here anyway Dan, your up in SS. I guessed you might be waiting for Mawj's action but its very unlikely to affect yours I expect.
Note I'm assuming Terok is now back on board and we're going to lose Linah tomorrow.
I keep forgetting Nuveril's bless. Fairly sure a 14 isn't going to hit either, though.
Alex have you seen the bruss knucles nerf here .
Sigh. Can I re-roll a new character after this combat please.
Hey you've got to live first.
Sigh. Can I re-roll a new character after this combat please.
Heh, if you fail your grapple, we can both roll up new characters...
Indeed.
If you two go down, I think we'll all be rolling up new characters.
I'm just tired of Sajan endlessly getting hit with the nerfstick. Time to let him die and play a rogue.
I thought the rogue was too busy having its lunch money stolen by the ninja.
The people saying that are the same ones who tell me my monk is not effective.
The people saying that are the same ones who tell me my monk is not effective.
[de-lurk] Don't listen to them. Sajan rocks on toast. [re-lurk]
I think I am about to hear Kardswann sh1tting his pants...there is a very hungry, very angry Barbarian about to rock his world if he doesn't break this grapple, this is where the two handed warriors get the shaft with the minus for not having two hands free :)
The people saying that are the same ones who tell me my monk is not effective.
Hm, I saw a thread asking whether a TWF Inquisitor would be "viable" now with the addition of UC. I thought Maysalkirii was pretty "viable" at the time. (Of course, the gestalt with rogue probably helped too, but he was definitely the biggest damage-dealer of the RHoD gang.)
Going into "non posting"-mode for about 1 and a half week. I'll be back around the 15th august. Hopefully Linah will live when i get back :)
Sajan not being effective? Hasn't he grappled and kicked everything thrown against us? :)
Sajan not being effective? Hasn't he grappled and kicked everything thrown against us? :)
Pretty much but I always knew monks were powerful when built nicely, the theorycrafters irritate me very much.
Maysalkirii was not as heavily optimised as Sajan is but yes when he got full attacks off he was a blender.
That's the great thing about PF- different classes have different strengths. Sajan is king grapple-master but is less than effective against unreachable targets. We should all be encouraged to use our strengths, not have them nerfed just because they're strengths.
We can work out what to do after the battle.
Its a very odd change seemingly done to avoid rule arguments rather than with monk balance anywhere in mind. The plus side is we no longer have to spend quite so much time trying to work out what the rules are. Its just whether they make sense now.
I have some issues with the pre-nerf position, mostly monks get an undisarmable weapon they can flurry with but only have to enchant once and they can spend the extra money on grafting special abilities on to an amulet of mighty fists leading to an arguably better "weapon" than martials. But thats only something that comes in to play later in the campaign and lots of people would say it just puts monks where they should be fighting wise anyway given their base damage is higher than a weapon but their still only critting on a 20.
I'm tempted to ignore it while the furor works it way through but if the rules drama is souring you on monks I'm fine with a PC change (although I'll definately be pinching Sajan as a NPC for future use). The end of the battle isn't quite the end of the chapter but timing is mostly back in control of the group so plenty of opportunity.
I have some issues with the pre-nerf position, mostly monks get an undisarmable weapon they can flurry with but only have to enchant once and they can spend the extra money on grafting special abilities on to an amulet of mighty fists leading to an arguably better "weapon" than martials.
The amulet still needs to be +1 I believe and enchanting it with different abilities is still ludicrously expensive. You get extremely diminshing returns.
Between reducing Sajan to 20 point buy, the heirloom weapon changes and the brass knuckle changes I think i'd just rather play something else. I wouldn't have rolled up a Monk knowing all the changes poor Sajan would be going through lol.
There seems to be broad consensus that you can stick an ability on the amulet without buying +1 first but yes its very expensive which is partly why I think its only even a consideration at much higher level.
The 20 point change was mine and frankly I'm really glad I did it but the other two are certainly a kick in the guts to unarmed monks and Sajan particularly.
Basically we can come to our own position on these (which may well be simply ignoring the nerfs until paizo sorts things out) or you can change. I can understand that this sort of thing can sour you on a character though. Your no longer playing a PF monk but a heavily house ruled version. If that impacts on your enjoyment of the game I'd rather you play something else.
Just a note. I had two versions of Ugruk's flindbar floating around reflecting the change from 3.5 to PF. Previous attack reflected the book rather than my updated herolab version which treats the flindbar simply as nunchaku. His disarm also wasn't being rendered properly. His base disarm using PF rules is + 12. Only effect on play so far is that damage is reduced to d6 from d8 so Nuveril takes a point less damage.
Still a bit early to call and Kardswann isn't out of tricks yet but if Sajan can hold that grapple for just one more round...
Still a bit early to call and Kardswann isn't out of tricks yet but if Sajan can hold that grapple for just one more round...
Was hoping for a crit :) ...26 more damage though this round.
Could use some other hits on him as well this round to soften him up even more.Even if he tries to go to gas, if it is a spell-like ability it will draw an AOO, so we can make it very painful for him to try an flee between Sajan and I...let's see what else he has up his sleeve :)
The 20 point change was mine and frankly I'm really glad I did it but the other two are certainly a kick in the guts to unarmed monks and Sajan particularly.
Yeah I wasn't critiscising, its just not what Sajan signed up for ;). Tanner always ran crazy power level games.
There seems to be broad consensus that you can stick an ability on the amulet without buying +1 first...
That is indeed the case.
Yeah I wasn't critiscising, its just not what Sajan signed up for ;). Tanner always ran crazy power level games.The 20 point change was mine and frankly I'm really glad I did it but the other two are certainly a kick in the guts to unarmed monks and Sajan particularly.
I didn't take it as such. Acknowledge that you start with your concept in your head and its annoying when it is fundamentally changed for no seemingly good reason.
There seems to be broad consensus that you can stick an ability on the amulet without buying +1 first...That is indeed the case.
Thanks.
Phew!
As an experiment I have some mixed feelings how that worked out.
I'll let you post reactions but thats the battle market done. The others are finishing up their fight and only a handful of gnolls managed to get away.
If your going to flip Sajan the most sensible time narrative wise is after the chapter ends. Guessing I'd say thats maybe a month or so real time depending on how things go though I'm inclined to push us through.
I'm also at present coming up empty on why Sajan would leave the group. I don't think he would do so willingly.
However, I'd also rather yank the bandaid off rather than have you play a character you know your going to change. Its only a minor issue to convert him to NPC before I find a way to bundle him off.
Have a think about it if you haven't already but I'll need to know pretty soon.
Alternatively if he's going to stay we can have a think about the errata.
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Cross posted for convenience.
Everythings ok it was just a very spontaneous two day trip to another town with limited internet access (and sleep). I just got home (5PM here) and have a family dinner to go to at 7PM- once i'm back from that at 11 or so my games will get updates- and then i'm off to Southampton to visit my friend James (EngineHouse here on the forums) and go to a friends birthday.
I'm not normally this busy. More frequent posting should resume monday.
Let me have a think about it and bot Sajan for the moment. I've barely been able to touch PbP for a few days.
I'll move the plot along tomorrow/mon. The discussion of Khalid's question will take us to the final part of the AP. Haleen also has plenty to disclose.
For the loot you might want to divide in seperate parts as I've assumed Zeladiel's split commences with this lot.
One of my issues with the AP as written. Why doesn't Kardswann just go inject himself full of potions when the party attacks. Haste, blur, invisibility, can you say TPK :) I think we just have to assume he didn't know what they were :)
Oh what are you doing with Kardswann's body?
Maybe Almah would be interested in buying the Infusion thing from us for the defense of the town. That seems its most likely use. We could then also sell her the potions or remove them if she is not interested...would need her buying price if that is the case.
Hi all,
I'm off to Vietnam for 2 weeks, but will try to log in as much as possible. Back in Oz Aug 20th.
Zeladiel will take what he's given but the magic arrows don't stack with his bow. He'd love the silver ones though. And scrolls for my spell book, of course.
Zeladiel will try and learn more about his new companions, so I'll start reading people backgrounds, if they have no objections, or I'm quite happy to RP it, which will probably go better on my return unless I'm still posting daily. Thanks. :-D avid
You're likely to find more out about Nuveril by asking around the group (i.e., reading her background) than by approaching her directly. She doesn't have great people-skills. :)
Maybe Almah would be interested in buying the Infusion thing from us for the defense of the town. That seems its most likely use. We could then also sell her the potions or remove them if she is not interested...would need her buying price if that is the case.
Perhaps I'm cynical, but wouldn't Almah just claim the equipment if she wants it? She's in charge of the expedition, after all. I don't know what exactly our contract said, but I don't expect she's going to pay us for the real estate we just seized, either. After all, Undrella had to work a deal with Almah, not with us, to get her little piece of Kelmarane.
Oh what are you doing with Kardswann's body?
Funeral pyre, I'm guessing? He was apparently a former companion of Khalid's inhabiting spirit or something. Warrants more than a mass grave or being left in the desert for the scavengers.
You're likely to find more out about Nuveril by asking around the group (i.e., reading her background) than by approaching her directly. She doesn't have great people-skills. :)
No people skills? But she's such a... shy, retiring barbarian. :-)
(Net access in Singapore = yay.) :-)
Singapore is so small you can probably just go off the same wireless point :) Make sure you go to the zoo its great.
Linah's current spell loadout is
2 Bull's Strength (DC 15), Bull's Strength (DC 15), Bull's Strength (DC 15), Cure Moderate Wounds (DC 15)
1 Protection from Evil, Protection from Evil, Cure Light Wounds (DC 14), Bless, Bless
Given the new wand I'd suggest you guys revise based on what you think youll need.