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Who would like to see Paizo produce an animated series based on it's Adventure Path product line and staring the iconic characters? Maybe start with Rise of the Runelords staring Valeros (as the reluctant leader with character flaws) , Seoni or Ezren (for spellcasting), Kyra or Seelah (as the "moral" center), & Merisiel (because she's just awesome). To show some racial diversity add in Lem and Harsk. Thoughts?
If this were to happen, I would like to see something like what is being done with the Pathfinder Tales Web Fiction, where a 7-9 min animated bit is released each week.
But yes, I'd watch it, and would happily sit through a 30-second unskippable commercial at the beginning to make it a more easily fundable project.
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While this does sound cool mt desire for it is overridden by my desire for Paizo to make sound financial decisions.
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I am sure glad that you are basing the above off of fact and not your own opinion or even rumor. {{sarcasm off}}}.
Considering that Paizo does not release it's financial information to the public I would really like to know why you would make the above statement? Also considering the success of their Pathfinder line I am not seeing where your commentary has any basis in fact at all, just your innuendo.
Thanks.
Yea I would love to see a Pathfinder animated series, even if it was like the early D&D cartoons I would still watch it and even buy it on DVD. If it does become an animated series I hope they would release more too! :)
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Considering that Paizo does not release it's financial information to the public I would really like to know why you would make the above statement? Also considering the success of their Pathfinder line I am not seeing where your commentary has any basis in fact at all, just your innuendo.
I'm not sure any innuendo was intended there, man. The fact is, making an animated series isn't a sound financial decision. The only reasons to do it would be advertising the product it's based on (which can be done more cheaply through traditional advertising, internet advertising, or word of mouth), making money off of it directly through selling ad time (which would be nearly impossible for a company Paizo's size, since it would involve them breaking into an entirely different industry), or just because they can (which would essentially be tossing money down a hole).
Don't get me wrong, I think a Paizo animated series would be great too, but it would basically be a financial investment with no serious possibility of return. So ease up on the defensiveness a little, eh?
Jeremy Puckett
Even if it is never going to be realized, i'ld be among the first people to watch it ( but it would have to be done by a japanese staff )
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I would watch it if it was on TV at a time or format that I could easily catch it. I would maybe watch it over the internet if each episode was no more than 10 minutes in length. I may buy it on DVD if it got good reviews and was priced well.
I own the complete D&D animated series on DVD (though am taking my time watching them through) and have just finished watching the Clone Wars CGI cartoon season 1 on DVD, so its a format and genre I would like.
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While this does sound cool mt desire for it is overridden by my desire for Paizo to make sound financial decisions.
::shrug::
I am sure glad that you are basing the above off of fact and not your own opinion or even rumor. {{sarcasm off}}}.
Considering that Paizo does not release it's financial information to the public I would really like to know why you would make the above statement? Also considering the success of their Pathfinder line I am not seeing where your commentary has any basis in fact at all, just your innuendo.
Thanks.
Yea I would love to see a Pathfinder animated series, even if it was like the early D&D cartoons I would still watch it and even buy it on DVD. If it does become an animated series I hope they would release more too! :)
Sorry if i upset you.
I really like what Paizo is doing, while I am not an expert on Paizo's finances or cartoons I have read posts where Lisa Stevens has made the point that (a) Paizo are not super-rich, (b) It's rare/hard to get wealthy making rpgs.
So, I extrapolate from this that Paizo cannot afford to make a really big investment from which they get no return.
I am also aware that cartoons are a really big investment from which they may well get no return.
I would also *like* to see a Pathfinder cartoon (I actually have the whole dnd cartoon series on dvd) but it is more important to me that Paizo continue to make great rpg stuff.
So what do I base my statement upon? What I do know... my experience of the world... the kind of stuff most people base their statements upon. I never claimed that what I said was anything more than my own opinion - I expressed my opinion and then you criticise me for my opinion?
I wasn't trying to pretend I was an expert with insider knowledge and I am sorry if it came across that way.
If you were willing to make a subtle and sympathetic reading of my original post you might see that I would like Paizo to make a cartoon but only if it makes sound economic sense.
One of my players is making our CotCT into an OotS web comic. :D
One of my players is making our CotCT into an OotS web comic. :DI'd be pleased to see that when it's up and online. ^_^
Jeremy Puckett
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I'd be willing to pay 50 dollars for a 26 episode season of Pathfinder: The Animated Series on DVD in a commerative boxed set.
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While this does sound cool mt desire for it is overridden by my desire for Paizo to make sound financial decisions.::shrug::
With the volume of animated series on the market, I find it hard to believe that it would be an unsound financial decision. Unless you feel the sales volume would be too small to profit. I would consider it a game accessory, like any other. Based on the recently released sales reports, Paizo's sales are just as high as WotC. Assuming that their overhead is lower, wouldn't that make them more profitable? Maybe not in total dollars, but surely in return on investment. In any case, I'm sure that an original animated series could be profitable. Based on the cr@p that I see on second-tier cable/satellite channels, it must not cost too much to produce a television product. And isn't the network the one who secures the ad/commercial space? So the question would just be, can Paizo afford to front the cost of an episode or two and then sell the broadcast rights to a network. Thereafter, packaging it as a DVD, would be a no-brainer. Alternately, it could just be a direct to video product, although I think that has a much smaller upside. Of course, the entire project would be dependent on good story lines. This is why I suggested using an adventure path as the basis. Isn't Rise of the Runelords an award winning series? That leads me to believe it would have a wide audience.
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So, I extrapolate from this that Paizo cannot afford to make a really big investment from which they get no return.
Even if Paizo had all the money in the world, I would never greenlight a big investment that got no return. That would be the ultimate in stupidity. :)
That said, if an outside company with experience in making animated series came to us with the idea the OP stated, we would be open to it, but it wouldn't involve Paizo money and very little of Paizo staffers' time.
-Lisa
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With the volume of animated series on the market, I find it hard to believe that it would be an unsound financial decision.
The key reason why it would be an unsound decision if Paizo did it ourselves is that we don't know the first thing about making animated series. There are many companies around the world that do know a lot about that, but not Paizo. Now, I bet those companies couldn't create RPG products if their life depended on it, but Paizo could. That is why you end up licensing this sort of thing out to another company, because you just have the skills inhouse to do it right.
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That said, if an outside company with experience in making animated series came to us with the idea the OP stated, we would be open to it, but it wouldn't involve Paizo money and very little of Paizo staffers' time.
-Lisa
I've heard this mentioned before by Paizo staffers in regards to other similar products (the Pathfinder computer game comes to mind). I can't say I disagree with your reasons, but I'm curious to how often you're actually approached to do something like this. I think as the brand grows it would be fantastic if you were to pull off some interesting licensed products like RPGs, animated series, and the like, but if it means getting somebody to come to you first, what really are the chances of that happening? I don't know enough about the industry to know this, so I'm just curious.
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I've heard this mentioned before by Paizo staffers in regards to other similar products (the Pathfinder computer game comes to mind). I can't say I disagree with your reasons, but I'm curious to how often you're actually approached to do something like this. I think as the brand grows it would be fantastic if you were to pull off some interesting licensed products like RPGs, animated series, and the like, but if it means getting somebody to come to you first, what really are the chances of that happening? I don't know enough about the industry to know this, so I'm just curious.
We get approached all the time, but it isn't just about getting it done, but getting it done right and up to the quality standards that Paizo has. When I was at Wizards of the Coast, I did licensing for three years. You get approached all the time, but many times they don't pan out. As Pathfinder grows, I expect that we will continue to get approached by bigger and bigger companies, and someday, something will come together.
-Lisa
it isn't just about getting it done, but getting it done right and up to the quality standards that Paizo has.
And right there, we have definitive proof that it won't be done by whoever did the Dragonlance cartoon. :)
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That said, if an outside company with experience in making animated series came to us with the idea the OP stated, we would be open to it, but it wouldn't involve Paizo money and very little of Paizo staffers' time.
-Lisa
That what I had in mind from the start. If I had any experience in the animated arena, I would leap on this before someone else did. Alas, I'll just have to wait for the "right fit."
It's been said before, but I say it again. Having the company creative team, even the CEO, personally respond to online threads is AWESOME!!!
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it isn't just about getting it done, but getting it done right and up to the quality standards that Paizo has.And right there, we have definitive proof that it won't be done by whoever did the Dragonlance cartoon. :)
This is also why I tend to trust the stuff Paizo does. When it comes to quality they look before they leap. Not enough companies do that kind of thing these days.
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So, we would need to cast Billy West as Lem, Grey Delisle as Merisiel, Kevin Michael Richardson as Harsk, Cree Summer as Kyra, Dee Bradley Baker as Valeros, Hynden Walch as Seoni, Lewis Black as Ezren, Alyson Stoner as Lini (and Frank Welker as Droogami!)...
Hm. Stumped for Sajan, Seltiyiel, Seelah, and Amiri. We can save the APG iconics for Season 2.
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For Sajan, I would love to see Kunal Nayyar do the voice. Maybe we could even get some cross publicity by slipping Pathfinder into his current show, The Big Bang Theory. For Amiri I think Nathalie Cox would do a great job. Greg Abbey does a great job with the loner, brooding type character so he would be a great Seltiyiel. Seelah is tough, because I have always pictured her speaking with an Arabic or Moroccan accent and I don't know any female voice actors that could do that and do it well.
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I, Shane LeRose, of sound mind and body do hearby pledge, that should I ever win the powerball I will invest heavily into making this happen, even if it should cost me the entirety of my new found fortune. A Pathfinder cartoon that focus' on an adventure path each season? It remains eternally fresh and if one season is weak, it won't affect the next. No season will be weak though, and you will never run out of AP's.
Fingers crossed ladies and gentlemen.
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Hm. Stumped for Sajan, Seltiyiel, Seelah, and Amiri. We can save the APG iconics for Season 2.
Jodi IS Amiri...besides she already has the outfit. Saves on production costs. :-)
And that being said, we have a Seoni as well. Jenny Poussin. Again with the outfit. Heck, with all the GenCon contestants we could probably outfit the entire cast.
Hm. Stumped for Sajan, Seltiyiel, Seelah, and Amiri. We can save the APG iconics for Season 2.Jodi IS Amiri...besides she already has the outfit. Saves on production costs. :-)
And that being said, we have a Seoni as well. Jenny Poussin. Again with the outfit. Heck, with all the GenCon contestants we could probably outfit the entire cast.
jenny is one hawt Seoni.
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I will literally fight anyone that suggests Cree Summer for Seelah, I swear. Jennifer "Commander Shepard" Hale or bust.
This is Valeros. The clue is in the name, Valeros.
You know, that means if Paizo ever did a Boot Hill-ish western RPG, they could just recycle Valeros as that new game's iconic and wind up with awesome.
Spy-espionage RPG iconic, marginally less so.
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There is only one choice for voicing Valeros. Nathan Fillion.
I wouldn't mind a decent animated series ... so long as it's taken somewhat seriously ;) Much as I like the D&D Cartoon from the 80s, I'd rather see it with fantasy inhabitants in a fantasy land, rather than someone visiting from elsewhere.
A web comic could be pretty cool ... especially if it were hosted on the Paizo site :)
There is only one choice for voicing Valeros. Nathan Fillion.
From everything I've seen of Valeros's dialogue, he's sarcasm boy. Fillion would certainly do a nice job, but I'd go more with Nicholas Brendan for this role.
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This is Valeros. The clue is in the name, Valeros.
I think that may be exactly who they had in mind when the created Valeros.
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This is Valeros. The clue is in the name, Valeros.I think that may be exactly who they had in mind when the created Valeros.
I should, at this point, make it clear that I have not cleverly inferred anything. A paizo staffer told us at some point, I think it was James Jacobs.
Maybe start with Rise of the Runelords
Kids would LOVE the Grauls!
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I can't stand what they've done to the Pathfinder animated series. Originaly (at least for most of seasons 1 through 4) I followed the story happily, but then in season 5 when they introduced the new characters based on the iconics from the second edition advanced player's guide three, and the death of my favorite character I lost interest. Sure they promise that season seven will bring back the feel of the first season, but seriously if they do one more "Glee" tribute episode with all that singing and dancing, I will quit the show once and for all.
I started watching but the regular time-slot conflicts with my chimney-sweeping routine. My cousin bought all of the dvds so I'll borrow them one day.
I believe the costs for a japanese anime series averages at something like 30k usd per episode (20 minutes of animation).
In addition to this there will be the costs for planning it and so on. Script writers, musicians, designers.
The problem with Pathfinder is that it really wouldn't do justice to the system to do something kiddy like the original DnD show, and at the same time they can't go make something obviously ADULT. It'd have to strike a balance.
And of course i want the opening titles song sang by Ilaria Graziano
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And of course i want the opening titles song sang by Ilaria Graziano
I was actually picturing something like this for the theme music.
If it turned out like 'Record of Lodoss War' in quality, I'm sold. (Record of Lodoss War was incidentally based on writer Ryo Mizuno's own D&D campaign notes.)
Sadly, given the cost of production... I don't think this will get done for a long time.
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THIS is always a winner... something like uplifts the spirit
Huh. Great minds think alike. (Fools also seldom differ but we won't go there)
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Yeah, if it was anywhere approaching the caliber of Record of Lodoss War, I'd definitely be in. Of course, currently being an Animation student at the Art Institute of Seattle, part of me would so want in on this. >_>
And for anyone interested, full version of the song from Record of Lodoss War: Chronicles of the Heroic Knight here
never watched lodoss, was it any good??
It's pretty. Very very pretty.
The general consensus is that the OVA was fantastic but there's quite a bit of debate over the Chronicles of the Heroic Knight. I liked them but others complain endlessly.
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A vaguely disturbing thought about a Pathfinder OVA:
If it's going to be made in Japan/Korea... How would people respond to the Hentai of the iconics which would spring up in it's wake almost immediately?