I think Ezren would make for an interesting character, or perhaps as the "chronicler" of a group.

It would be interesting to go into his friendships with these young "wippersnapers" like Valeros, Kyra, and Seoni....well Seoni isn't exactly young.

It's also been implied that at least one of them may be transgender, and I'm even more curious who that might be, so them showing up might be nice as well.

Where was that?

Coridan wrote:

Whichever one the gay one is. It's time for some gay heroes in mainstream fantasy.

Well Merisiel is canonically bisexual (with a preference for women), and Kyra appears to be straight (or at least somewhat straitlaced), but we have no data on the rest (though I suppose that Valeros and Alain's womanizing is probably evidence they aren't completely homosexual) and we have been told to assume they're all bisexual until proven otherwise.

Or to put it another way: What makes you think only one of them is gay?

I'm all for at least one gay Iconic showing up, though. Hell, I'm all for finding out what their sexualities are. I'm curious.

It's also been implied that at least one of them may be transgender, and I'm even more curious who that might be, so them showing up might be nice as well.

The last time I paid attention to the iconics, was when they were all originally revealed. They said one of them was gay, and it was hinted that it was Selytiel (likely seeing as Wes developed him). Though he was also the multiclass half elf, so bisexuality was more likely.

None of the male iconics strike me as particularly attractive, partially to how Wayne Reynolds draws the males; but I just wanna see us get some representation in literature.

The chameleon from I think APG or UC was cute though, he'd be good to get a write-up ;)

so... what about a story with ALL the iconics? too much?

Where was that?

Here.

The last time I paid attention to the iconics, was when they were all originally revealed. They said one of them was gay, and it was hinted that it was Selytiel (likely seeing as Wes developed him). Though he was also the multiclass half elf, so bisexuality was more likely.

Ah! Gotcha. Evidence at the moment points to significantly more than one of them being somewhere on the LGBT spectrum, though exactly where is another question. Seltyiel being bi does seem extremely likely, though (as you say).

None of the male iconics strike me as particularly attractive, partially to how Wayne Reynolds draws the males; but I just wanna see us get some representation in literature.

The chameleon from I think APG or UC was cute though, he'd be good to get a write-up ;)

Like I said, I'm all for one or more gay iconics showing up.

I could be tripping madly, but I could have sworn that Ezren was 'outed' as the gay iconic.

I would love to see Ezren, Meisel(I know I spelled her name wrong), and Valeros becuase Ezren is my favorite Icon. Meisel, because she would seem like a very funny, likable and engaging character. As for Valeros, I always see him being pummled in the artwork and I don't know if its an inside joke, or just by chance that he keeps getting attacked, dragged away, crushed, gutted and I can't remember what other atrocities he has faced. Plus his background is quite interesting. Freia would be an interesting one as well.

I could be tripping madly, but I could have sworn that Ezren was 'outed' as the gay iconic.

I've seen that theory floated and not actually denied by the folks at Paizo...but I don't think it was actually confirmed either. I could easily be wrong, though.

Just like folks in the real world don't like to be outed, the iconics are less than eager to have one of us big-mouthed real-worlders spill their intimate secrets. When they feel the time is right, however, I'm sure any queer iconics will shout it from the rooftops. But let's not rush them, shall we? They'll let you know when they're comfortable.

On the subject of sexual preference, Valeros would like it made perfectly clear that nothing that happens while he is drunk 'counts.'

Valeros on sexual preference:

"Yeah, I tend to prefer sex."

On the subject of sexual preference, Valeros would like it made perfectly clear that nothing that happens while he is drunk 'counts.'

So, wait, Valeros is claiming to be a virgin now?

Set wrote:

On the subject of sexual preference, Valeros would like it made perfectly clear that nothing that happens while he is drunk 'counts.'

So, wait, Valeros is claiming to be a virgin now?

Pure as the driven snow. And totally innocent of all those public lewdness, drunk and disorderly, inciting a riot and resisting arrest charges, too!

Deadmanwalking wrote:

Set wrote:

On the subject of sexual preference, Valeros would like it made perfectly clear that nothing that happens while he is drunk 'counts.'

So, wait, Valeros is claiming to be a virgin now?

Pure as the driven snow. And totally innocent of all those public lewdness, drunk and disorderly, inciting a riot and resisting arrest charges, too!

And necrophilia. First, you'd have to explain the word to him. Second, he didn't think those girls were vampires, and wouldn't think it would count even if they were.

And necrophilia. First, you'd have to explain the word to him. Second, he didn't think those girls were vampires, and wouldn't think it would count even if they were.

I'm not sure that's entirely fair to Valeros. He's got good Intelligence, so he totally knows what that word means!

...and now you can see what we've been unable to talk about for so long!

Jim Zubkavich writing Pathfinder comics based on iconic characters

Veeeeeeeeeeery interesting, i hope it will be for sell on Paizo store also.I don't think i'll be able to travel to USA to buy personally every issue in comics stores.

Sooo...looks like we're getting Valeros, Seoni, and Merisiel. And possibly Ezren, based on one of those covers. I'd also bet on Kyra rounding out the original party fom RotRL at least some of the time.

Cool. Valeros, Merisiel, and Kyra are definitely three of my favorite Iconics personality-wise, and maybe we'll get to really know Seoni as well. I also like Ezren, come to think of it.

I'm very comfortable with this. :)

6 will crop up, apparently.

Edit:

The first six issues comprise a single story arc, and will be better read together than separately. That said, I am not a big fan of "decompressed storytelling" or simply writing for trade paperback collection, so I'm doing my best to work with Jim to make each issue enjoyable in and of itself.

The main "group" for this first story involves six iconic characters. One additional iconic makes a cameo appearance later in the first arc, and there are a couple of other "guest stars" that big-time Pathfinder fans will recognize.

I mean, they _are_ in Sandpoint...

Is it known if these will be collected into a trade paperback?

-Aaron

My hope and expectation is that there will eventually be a trade paperback. Ironically, the best way to insure that that happens is to buy the individual issues, especially #1.

Seelah. As an atheist, I'm always fascinated by faithful characters, especially paladins. I love to read about how and why they chose their path, or their path chose them.

Although I see by recent responses that the choice has already been made?

My hope and expectation is that there will eventually be a trade paperback. Ironically, the best way to insure that that happens is to buy the individual issues, especially #1.

I was planning to do that, anyway. The best way to ensure the success of a line is to support it by buying it. I'm not sure that I would continue buying it (I'm not a comic book collector), but I will certainly get issue #1.

-Aaron

Seelah. As an atheist, I'm always fascinated by faithful characters, especially paladins. I love to read about how and why they chose their path, or their path chose them.

Although I see by recent responses that the choice has already been made?

Only the first arc has been plotted out at this point, so as long as these first comics sell well, the sky's the limit!

The iconic Technic League Officer.

...and now you can see what we've been unable to talk about for so long!

Jim Zubkavich writing Pathfinder comics based on iconic characters

So hyped! Jim Zub's Skullkickers is great fun and bides well for the Pathfinder Iconics.

Hopefully, the comic will be in addition to an upcoming Iconic Pathfinder Tales novel announcement. *wink wink*

Hopefully, the comic will be in addition to an upcoming Iconic Pathfinder Tales novel announcement. *wink wink*

For the time being, we really want the comic to be folks' main source of iconic fiction. While you certainly may see an iconic novel someday, it's not something that's on our schedule just at the moment.

Winter_Born wrote:

Hopefully, the comic will be in addition to an upcoming Iconic Pathfinder Tales novel announcement. *wink wink*

For the time being, we really want the comic to be folks' main source of iconic fiction. While you certainly may see an iconic novel someday, it's not something that's on our schedule just at the moment.

Thanks for the heads up, James.

I want to see a story about Seltyiel

Imrijka, because a)I would like more support for the non-pretty characters, races, etc... out there. and b) because the Inquisitor class has never really appealed to me & I would like to get more of a feel for it. Also because hot half-orcs are hot.

I think Imrijka is pretty.

I think Imrijka is pretty.

Agreed, she has the same beauty (and deadliness, I suspect) of a well made and cared-for sword. Not the shallow beauty of a traditional "hottie," like Seoni (and don't think for a moment I don't like Seoni), Imrijka's is a subtle beauty, carved in hard lines and battlefield grace.

Seriously I can picture her as one of those who uses an economy of force to get the job done, neither more nor less than is needed, but willing to use EVERY tool she has at her disposal.

On a side note, I'd suspect if ANY of the 21 Iconics is transgendered (or indergendered as the medical term (afraid I misspelled it though)) that it is most likely Imrijka. Just one more way for her to be a square-peg (let's play up the whole I don't fit in society vibe even further).

She's also the Iconic I'd most like to see a write-up on (anything really, a meet the Iconic, a Pathfinder tales story, something).

or how about this for a party: Imrijka, Demiel, Seelah, and Lirianne? (not sure on the name of the last one, basically an Inquisitor, Alchemist, Paladin, Gunslinger party)

On a side note, I'd suspect if ANY of the 21 Iconics is transgendered (or indergendered as the medical term (afraid I misspelled it though)) that it is most likely Imrijka. Just one more way for her to be a square-peg (let's play up the whole I don't fit in society vibe even further).

Wait... so no one has figured out who the actual trans iconic is? Seriously?

Iconics vs Asian Iconics

Merisiel vs Reiko
Alain vs Hayato

Leo_Negri wrote:

On a side note, I'd suspect if ANY of the 21 Iconics is transgendered (or indergendered as the medical term (afraid I misspelled it though)) that it is most likely Imrijka. Just one more way for her to be a square-peg (let's play up the whole I don't fit in society vibe even further).

Wait... so no one has figured out who the actual trans iconic is? Seriously?

I thought it was Damiel:

Damiel took to alchemy immediately, reveling in the idea of transmutation—the changing of one thing into another, by means chemical or arcane.

But a case could be made for Reiko because ninjas are masters of disguise and she's so covered up all the time.

I think Imrijka is pretty.

Same'd. I think "not conventionally pretty" is probably more accurate.

Wait... so no one has figured out who the actual trans iconic is? Seriously?

My money's still on Seoni.

I think Imrijka is pretty.

And now I have a mental image of Kitty Martini Cos-playing Imrijka. I think I need to go lie down now...

I love the iconics and would really enjoy a tale of Alain the Cavalier, or if possible a small party consisting of: Alain, Lem, Ezren,and of course Kyra the Cleric of Sarenrae.

Set in Oppara it would be interesting to see Alain's reaction to her devotion to the dawnflower, maybe he would turn her in? Maybe not if he owed her for saving his life a time or two?

Just a thought, also why Lem? Comic relief, Ezren makes a great crabby old man to scold both Alain and Lem when needed.

Alain. Good heroes are pretty easy to write. I want to see someone write a good Neutral hero.

Neutral heros are even easier to write: they just do it for the money, or to solve a problem bothering them or their village. (raiding goblins, and such things.

Imrijka. I have played one too many female half-orcs not to love this character.
Plus, Inquisitor is slowly becoming my favorite class.

James Martin wrote:

Alain. Good heroes are pretty easy to write. I want to see someone write a good Neutral hero.

Neutral heros are even easier to write: they just do it for the money, or to solve a problem bothering them or their village. (raiding goblins, and such things.

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Classical 'heroes' like Achilles, Theseus and Hercules similarly fit the neutral mold far better than the good one.

Evil's the easiest to write for, IMO. Villainous evil is active and ambitious and has plans to set in motion and goals to achieve. Heroes too often sit around and wait for the villains to do something, and then react, so that, ultimately, their 'goodness' is restricted to dancing when the villains pull the strings, to rise up in opposition, spending the rest of their time sitting around, instead of actually doing anything good, like building orphanages or feeding the hungry or putting an end to slavery or eradicating diseases or educating serfs so that they can rise above their station and become craftsmen or whatnot.

It's kind of a paradox, that to write for heroes, you have to start with writing a villain stirring something up to make the heroes get off their butts.

It's even woven into our modern stories. 'Heroes' like Han Solo or Jason Bourne have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of a comfortable life of morally ambiguous (or flat out evil) activities, and either someone really evil tries to kill them, or does kill someone they care about, and they end up becoming a foe of evil (despite not being particularly good). 'Good,' in today's fiction, means 'opposed to evil,' and the 'heroes' never have to do anything remotely *good* intentioned or kind or compassionate or whatever, they just have to pump bullets into people wearing even darker hats than their own, which may not be 'good,' but seems to be 'good enough.'

So, really, Alain's got an even easier motivation built in, than Kyra. He craves glory, recognition and advancement. He likes spending money on himself, to decorate himself and to treat himself with the sorts of comforts he feels that he's earned. Charging into a new adventure is sort of his thing, as he gains combat experience, furthers his legend, possibly locates new gear, and certainly accumulates coin to spend on cold hard toys and warm soft women. Kyra, on the other hand, might be strongly motivated to remain behind after a goblin attack on a village, and tend to the wounded and help put out the fires and minister to those who are scared or grieving. That sort of thing might serve her church much more in the long run, than if she joined Alain in rushing off to the goblin lair to kill them all. She's got a real chance of bringing surviving villagers over the faith of the Dawnflower, and bettering not just their lives, in the short-term, but their souls, in the long-term. Plus, even if Alain kills every goblin within 30 miles of the village, something will replace them (possibly even more goblins, expanding into suddenly available territory), and Kyra knows that the village will be no safer next year than if he hadn't bothered.
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If people like neutral heroes, then Pathfinder Tales is definitely the place to be. I try to mix it up with true "good guys" and "bad guys" on occasion, but I'll admit that I default to liking characters somewhere in the middle.

It's also been noted that, at least as far as the RPG hardcovers are concerned, all of our iconics are pretty snarky, regardless of alignment. :)