Witch and Forced Reincarnation Hex


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I have some questions about the forced reincarnation hex for the witch. First, the hex says that the victim is immediately reincarnated. Does this mean that the reincarnation takes place at the time of the hex or do you still have to wait an hour as the spell requires.

Also, if you are applying the hex to a nonhuminoid, how do you determine what reincarnation options exist for the affected creature? I'm not quite sure why this hex would be used. Could someone give me an example or two when using this might be a good idea. Thanks in advance.


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I take it to mean immediate no waiting around and the subject does not have to be dead......

I think for non-humaniods it might be better mechanically to use something similar to Baleful Polymorph results.....

Other wise the witches familiar or a random squirrel could be made into a bugbear or an elf........

As a side note are their any witches that high of level yet?


direcow wrote:
I'm not quite sure why this hex would be used. Could someone give me an example or two when using this might be a good idea. Thanks in advance.

What I love with the Witch is how funny her hexes are. They're not necessarly powerful, but they're funny. Even read fairy tales? Remember how the witch in Sleeping Beauty just went into the castle and casted curses on the royal baby? Well that's what witches in Pathfinder can do too. Turning the king into a kobold might make the rest of the kingdom treat you with a little more respect. It doesn't kill the target, it usually can't even weaken it, but it changes his body, and his whole identity might go away with it. Throwing someone into another body is one hell of a great curse, if you ask me. It would make anyone freak out.


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GroovyTaxi wrote:
direcow wrote:
I'm not quite sure why this hex would be used. Could someone give me an example or two when using this might be a good idea. Thanks in advance.
What I love with the Witch is how funny her hexes are. They're not necessarly powerful, but they're funny. Even read fairy tales? Remember how the witch in Sleeping Beauty just went into the castle and casted curses on the royal baby? Well that's what witches in Pathfinder can do too. Turning the king into a kobold might make the rest of the kingdom treat you with a little more respect. It doesn't kill the target, it usually can't even weaken it, but it changes his body, and his whole identity might go away with it. Throwing someone into another body is one hell of a great curse, if you ask me. It would make anyone freak out.

Are you kidding? That would crumble the kingdom ;)

King goes missing, some lame kobold saying "I'm the king!"

I can picture it now... >:D


direcow wrote:
I'm not quite sure why this hex would be used.

target is afflicted with negative levels


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Seraph403 wrote:
GroovyTaxi wrote:
direcow wrote:
I'm not quite sure why this hex would be used. Could someone give me an example or two when using this might be a good idea. Thanks in advance.
What I love with the Witch is how funny her hexes are. They're not necessarly powerful, but they're funny. Even read fairy tales? Remember how the witch in Sleeping Beauty just went into the castle and casted curses on the royal baby? Well that's what witches in Pathfinder can do too. Turning the king into a kobold might make the rest of the kingdom treat you with a little more respect. It doesn't kill the target, it usually can't even weaken it, but it changes his body, and his whole identity might go away with it. Throwing someone into another body is one hell of a great curse, if you ask me. It would make anyone freak out.

Are you kidding? That would crumble the kingdom ;)

King goes missing, some lame kobold saying "I'm the king!"

I can picture it now... >:D

Linked that for you. :-)

On another note, I made up a thread about Reincarnate for nonhumanoids, but it did not get much response.
It has a table for Outsider (native).

/cevah

Scarab Sages

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direcow wrote:

I have some questions about the forced reincarnation hex for the witch. First, the hex says that the victim is immediately reincarnated. Does this mean that the reincarnation takes place at the time of the hex or do you still have to wait an hour as the spell requires.

Also, if you are applying the hex to a nonhuminoid, how do you determine what reincarnation options exist for the affected creature? I'm not quite sure why this hex would be used. Could someone give me an example or two when using this might be a good idea. Thanks in advance.

The whole reincarnation spell is super iffy in rules. I love the spell, but it's not very game-mechanic friendly.

Forced Reincarnation would be very much up to the GM on what is an eligible target, as it bypasses the normal restrictions of the spell via the hex.

Normally, the spell requires: 1) a dead creature, 2) a willing to return soul, 3) material components, 4) creatures with SR get it against this spell, 5) and an hour completion time.

Taking these away makes it very vague how the hex is supposed to function.

In terms of my personal suggestion for forced reincarnation:

-Can only target creatures that can die and will stay on the same plane when they die (so no undead or extraplanar or constructs or similar things).
-Removes the willing soul requirement, the time to create a new body, the negative level, and the material component requirements.
-Automatically re-sizes any equipment to match the targeted creature.
-GM is allowed, and expected, to just pick the new form, rather than rolling randomly. The new form should not be the same as the previous one, and should be one eligible as a target of this ability, but is otherwise entirely up to the GM.
-Targeted creature roleplays as if subject to a transformation/polymorph spell. They don't notice the death, just the transformation.


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Something I did not notice yesterday was that lachapakhan necroed a 5+ year old thread. :-)

That said, the hex does wonders against a dragon, since it comes back as a young adult and looses all that old age power.

For me, I would recommend the following:

  • Can only target a creature that can be normally reincarnated if dead. I.e. same limits as the spell, except the target is not yet dead.
  • If the soul is not willing, the creature stay's dead.
  • It takes a standard to activate, but the hour to reform is still there.
  • Equipment is unaffected. Magical equipment might resize, but up to the specific item.
  • Type does not change. You need to make a random table for other types. [See link in my previous post.] Could come back as same race.
  • Two negative levels, although I would not mind only 1.
  • Very definitely noticed by the target.
  • GM Fiat can do anything, so could come back as anything.

/cevah


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Cevah wrote:
  • It takes a standard to activate, but the hour to reform is still there.
  • Equipment is unaffected. Magical equipment might resize, but up to the specific item.
  • I kinda have to disagree. "immediately brought back to life" implies to my that the rebirth is, well, immediatly - as in right now. Otherwise, you could probably cut the half-done new body into pieces or something. Or just hex the boss and kill his minions without hassle and then kill the lone boss without any buffs or items after an hour. That would make the hex rediculously strong.

    Reincarnate explicitly states that it grows a new body - that means naked without any items. Nowhere does it say that the hosts items fly through the air and then attach to the new body.

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