Battle Herald: Swap out for Improved Leadership?

[RtrnofdMax]

Leadership is not legal in PFS. We have also seen class features that are incompatible with PFS swapped out for something else (Alchemist's Craft Alchemy, Cavalier's Expert Trainer, etc). Given that this class feature is unusable in PFS due to Leadership being illegal, should this not get a swap out option as well? Perhaps Skill Focus (Diplomacy)?

[Joshua J. Frost]

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll consider an appropriate adjustment for the next update.

[Gen. Goldfrapp the Trebuchet]

With Hyrum now in charge and Goldfrapp now adding a level of Battle Herald to his other myriad classes (Rogue 3, Fighter 2, Druid 1, Bard 1, Cavalier 1 and Battle Herald 1) I'd like to see this how this is modified for PFS play.
Additionally, the Inspiring Command stacks with the Bard Inspire Courage ability - but is that also vice-versa?

[TLO3]

Theocrat Issak wrote:

With Hyrum now in charge and Goldfrapp now adding a level of Battle Herald to his other myriad classes (Rogue 3, Fighter 2, Druid 1, Bard 1, Cavalier 1 and Battle Herald 1) I'd like to see this how this is modified for PFS play.

Additionally, the Inspiring Command stacks with the Bard Inspire Courage ability - but is that also vice-versa?

They stack for the purposes of Inspire Courage regardless of whether IC is being activated by command or bardic performance.

[Siriak]

I was just wondering: has anything been decided on the OP's question regarding swapping out the improved leadership feat?

thanks

[MisterSlanky]

I know it's been over two years since the original post and 9 months since the latest request, but have the powers that be considered this again recently?

[Michael Brock]

I wasn't aware of this issue. I will definitely be looking into it tomorrow. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Ill_Made_Knight]

Was their an update about this Brock?

[Michael Brock]

Not yet. I haven't forgotten about it but I was out yesterday and today and will be out on Friday. I spent Monday on Paizo Con stuff, the new Guide 4.2, and Additional Resources. I will get to it but need to find a good replacement for it.

[Wabajck]

Perhaps an addition to an already existing ability? Perhaps my BH levels stack with my cav levels to determine my mounts HD?

oh one can only hope.

[Tristan Windseeker]

Following the precedent of the cleric's Nobility domain, could you replace it with something similar to the Persuasive feat? Perhaps a bonus to Diplomacy and Intimidate equal to your Inspiring Command bonus?

[Ill_Made_Knight]

Could I suggest that Battle Herald and Cavalier levels stack for challenge damage and number of challenges per day?

[Cheapy]

Ill_Made_Knight wrote:

Could I suggest that Battle Herald and Cavalier levels stack for challenge damage and number of challenges per day?

I can't help but think that won't happen.

[Jeffrey Fox]

Well since Battle Herald only gets use of improved leadership [normally] if they have leadership then shouldn't whatever ability they get now be based on them having a feat.

And since Persuasive is the swap for leadership it should be based on that.

So maybe something as simple as a Battle Herald adds his inspiring command bonus to the normal bonus that Persuasive grants to Diplomacy and Intimidate.

Would that work?

[Michael Brock]

After taking a look at Improved Leadership, we will not be replacing it with anything else. Since the class still functions without that ability, and could be altogether ignored by someone who doesn't have the Leadership in normal home play, their is no need to make an exception here.

[MisterSlanky]

After an initial resurrection of 2 years, and 3 more since we last discussed, I feel the need to push this one to the top yet again...

Leadership (and by extension Improved Leadership) has been prohibited since day one. Improved Leadership is an ability granted Battle Heralds but is still provided to them (it's not mentioned in the rules otherwise). Since last requested, there have been an awful lot of ability changes and replacement abilities provided in other classes and class features. For a class that already is missing on some capabilities due to their abilities being more campaign focused. I would respectfully like to request a reconsideration again a least.

As precedent for why I petition the powers that be to consider an alternate ability I'd bring up...

• Core scribe scroll change for wizards
  
• Champions of balance bloodline swap out for Spontaneous Generation
  
• Agent of Rebirth ability for Faith & Philosophies domain
  
• Shaman swap outs for Craft Wondorous Item and awaken
  
• Nature oracle changes for awaken
  
• Forgemaster replacing both Craft Magic Arms and Armor and Master Smith
  
• Energy siege shot and arcane cannon changes for Bonded Witch
  
• Promethean alchemists and promethean disciple discovery exchange
  
• Occult adventures sorcerer bloodline changes for ghost whip
  
• The swap out of dream voyage for the Psychic
  
• Normal and greater create mindscape being changed for patrons
  

[MisterSlanky]

Five years, three months and 8 days to be exact...