That particular information about succubi will likely not be in Wrath of the Righteous...is intrigued by the implications
edit-Ah right, Demon Hunter's Handbook! ?
Nope.
It's a still-unannounced book that I'm writing.
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So, I'm running a Skull and Shackles game, and one of my players, for reasons that have less to do with effectiveness than humor, wants to make what basically amounts to a wondrous item spell in a can. Specifically the Spell is Mad Monkeys (from Ultimate Magic http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spells/madMonkeys.html) and the can is a Barrel. It's a single use, use-activated item.
Mad Monkeys summons a monkey swarm with a CMB based on the caster's CL plus ability mod. I don't want to have to re-price the item in the future, but When my player makes the item, should I price it based off the lowest necessary CL necessary to make it? If I do, what happens when he makes more of the item when at a higher caster level than the minimum? or if his ability score increases do the monkey swarm's CMB values change? And if so would I have to change the price of the item?
I know people say "more fun than a barrel of monkeys, but I never thought making a barrel of monkeys would require so many tricky math judgement calls.
James, in Golarion, there are a lot of different "horrors from beyond"-type alien worldwide threats. After a while, a lot of them seem kind of similar to me.
What would you say are the unique features of each one, and what might make each one the best option for a particular story? Here are a few that I can think of:
1. Leng and the Dark Tapestry
2. Aucturn and the Dark Tapestry
3. Qlippoth
4. Demons
5. Daemons
6. Zon-Kuthon and the Shadow Plane
7. Rovagug
8. Groetus
I'd like to add one to that list:
9. The Dominion of the Black
Do Golarion androids breathe?
What happens when you're killed via level drain is a hazy area. Usually you turn into an undead, in which case your soul would not go on to the Abyss.
Oh hey, that reminds me of something I've been wondering for quite some time. Would you mind breaking down your take on undeath vs. the afterlife in general? For ghostly/intelligent types, particularly when they're clearly created via level-drain from another, obviously the soul is still right there on the material plane, but...
1a. What happens with it when someone destroys the undead? Still judged by Pharasma, ignoring all actions while in undead form? Still taking that into account? Some special punishment for having been some form of undead, regardless of circumstance?
1b. What about mindless, after the fact undead? Given how it's generally agreed that animating zombies and skeletons is a decidedly non-Good act, and any god with an opinion, Pharasma in particular, really seems to disapprove of all undead on principle, I'd imagine the standard argument of "the soul has moved on, it's only as amoral as using a friend's sword after he dies" does not actually fly, but.... why not? Soul pulled back in to animate the corpse? Feeling pain beyond the grave? Something else?
1c. How do mummies fit in with all that?
And while I'm asking questions...
2. Can female dwarves in Golarion grow beards? The CRB rather craftily words things in a way that sidesteps the issue.
3. Moving away from Pathfinder altogether, if you didn't have Paizo's resources to fall back on and wanted to get a small run of 100-page softcover books printed (on par with Pathfinder's AP books for size/layout, not necessarily full-color, and for argument's sake, maybe 500 copies), with the intent of selling them at a not entirely unreasonable price, how would you go about it?
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James, in Golarion, there are a lot of different "horrors from beyond"-type alien worldwide threats. After a while, a lot of them seem kind of similar to me.
What would you say are the unique features of each one, and what might make each one the best option for a particular story? Here are a few that I can think of:
1. Leng and the Dark Tapestry
2. Aucturn and the Dark Tapestry
3. Qlippoth
4. Demons
5. Daemons
6. Zon-Kuthon and the Shadow Plane
7. Rovagug
8. Groetus
1) Leng is not the Dark Tapestry. Leng is nightmares. It's a brand of Lovecraftian hororr that's more lyrical and fantasy flavored than his more famous real-world horror stories. It's dark fantasy.
2) Aucturn is not part of the Dark Tapestry, but it's got Dark Tapestry influences. The Dark Tapestry itself is our name for "deep space," since "Deep space" sounds too science fictiony. This is the type of horror you see in movies like Alien or Event Horizon or The Thing, as well as the more famous Lovecraft stuff.
3) Qlippoth are essentially the wild animals of the Abyss. A mix of Lovecraft with a lot more ancient traditions; fear of the inhuman and utterly monstrous.
4) Demons are everything in humans that is bad. They are us, but the worst of us. They disturb because we see reflected in them things that humans can do, only taken to extreme.
5) Daemons are the fear of death. Dying in any number of painful ways.
6) Zon-Kuthon is basically the fear of pain and pleasure and loss and despair. Clive Barker style horror.
7) Rovagug is the horror of the end of the world. Nuclear war, asteroid devastation, killer plague, whatever. He's the apocalypse fear.
8) Groetus is what happens AFTER all the rest of the above is over and behind you. He's the fear of the dark unknown, of empty places, of nothingness and oblivion.
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James, in Golarion, there are a lot of different "horrors from beyond"-type alien worldwide threats. After a while, a lot of them seem kind of similar to me.
What would you say are the unique features of each one, and what might make each one the best option for a particular story? Here are a few that I can think of:
1. Leng and the Dark Tapestry
2. Aucturn and the Dark Tapestry
3. Qlippoth
4. Demons
5. Daemons
6. Zon-Kuthon and the Shadow Plane
7. Rovagug
8. Groetus
I'd like to add one to that list:
9. The Dominion of the Black
The Dominion of the Black is in fact the MOST mysterious of all the horrors mentioned here. They are NOT Lovecraftian monsters, although they probably have associations with the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods. We'll look a LITTLE closer at them in the upcoming "Doom Comes to Dustpawn" adventure, but not a lot... They're still in top secret mode for now.
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So, I'm running a Skull and Shackles game, and one of my players, for reasons that have less to do with effectiveness than humor, wants to make what basically amounts to a wondrous item spell in a can. Specifically the Spell is Mad Monkeys (from Ultimate Magic http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spells/madMonkeys.html) and the can is a Barrel. It's a single use, use-activated item.
Mad Monkeys summons a monkey swarm with a CMB based on the caster's CL plus ability mod. I don't want to have to re-price the item in the future, but When my player makes the item, should I price it based off the lowest necessary CL necessary to make it? If I do, what happens when he makes more of the item when at a higher caster level than the minimum? or if his ability score increases do the monkey swarm's CMB values change? And if so would I have to change the price of the item?
I know people say "more fun than a barrel of monkeys, but I never thought making a barrel of monkeys would require so many tricky math judgement calls.
What caster level someone chooses when they make a wondrous item is up to the creator; generally, they make it at the minimum level possible to minimize costs. When he makes more of the items at higher level, he can just keep it at the minimum and original CL to keep costs down.
2) Aucturn is not part of the Dark Tapestry, but it's got Dark Tapestry influences. The Dark Tapestry itself is our name for "deep space," since "Deep space" sounds too science fictiony. This is the type of horror you see in movies like Alien or Event Horizon or The Thing, as well as the more famous Lovecraft stuff.
Mr. James Jacobs,
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What happens when you're killed via level drain is a hazy area. Usually you turn into an undead, in which case your soul would not go on to the Abyss.Oh hey, that reminds me of something I've been wondering for quite some time. Would you mind breaking down your take on undeath vs. the afterlife in general? For ghostly/intelligent types, particularly when they're clearly created via level-drain from another, obviously the soul is still right there on the material plane, but...
1a. What happens with it when someone destroys the undead? Still judged by Pharasma, ignoring all actions while in undead form? Still taking that into account? Some special punishment for having been some form of undead, regardless of circumstance?
1b. What about mindless, after the fact undead? Given how it's generally agreed that animating zombies and skeletons is a decidedly non-Good act, and any god with an opinion, Pharasma in particular, really seems to disapprove of all undead on principle, I'd imagine the standard argument of "the soul has moved on, it's only as amoral as using a friend's sword after he dies" does not actually fly, but.... why not? Soul pulled back in to animate the corpse? Feeling pain beyond the grave? Something else?
1c. How do mummies fit in with all that?
And while I'm asking questions...
2. Can female dwarves in Golarion grow beards? The CRB rather craftily words things in a way that sidesteps the issue.
3. Moving away from Pathfinder altogether, if you didn't have Paizo's resources to fall back on and wanted to get a small run of 100-page softcover books printed (on par with Pathfinder's AP books for size/layout, not necessarily full-color, and for argument's sake, maybe 500 copies), with the intent of selling them at a not entirely unreasonable price, how would you go about it?
1a) When an undead is destroyed, the soul is finally freed to go on to be judged. Whether or not the soul's actions while undead earned it a reward or punishment depends entirely on the situation. A powerful vampire who served Zura well might go on to be rewarded in Zura's realm... Pharasma might not like it, but neither will she "stack the deck" to mete out her own choice of punishment.
1b) Generally, mindless, after the fact undead only retain a tiny shred of the original soul. Not enough to stop the soul from moving on, but enough that as long as that undead exists, that soul feels slightly less. Kinda like losing a pinky toe. When a mindless undead is destroyed, that fragment is restored to wherever. Pharasma isn't involved, although she still hates the mindless undead.
1c) Same way as other non-mindless undead.
2) No. Female dwarves do not grow beards on Golarion.
3) Probably via kickstarter, and by hoping I get enough money to hire a few folks to handle the parts of creating a book that I don't know how to do.
Have you and Paizo gotten back from the field trip to Middle Earth, or is that happening later tonight ?That was a 2:30 event. It was a GREAT movie. Can't wait for the next one!
While we're at it...
In the credits of the film, you (James Jacobs) are listed under (IIRC 'Digital Creatures $something').
So, what did you do for the film? And, why didn't you tell anyone? *ducks*
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Okay. Hmmm.
Do you make a clear break between Planar and Space exploation in Golarion's core setting? So, if "Deep Space" is the Dark Tapestries can it be handled in terms of Planar Travel?
Also Can Dark Tapestry involve positive forces?
Finally, what is your take on Planar adventures and how do you think Golarion approaches it?
I thought I'd asked this before but a search didn't find it, so apologies if this is a duplicate.
Spont-caster or Vancian caster - which do you prefer? Strictly casting method and spell-learning method only, less so the issues of delayed spellcasting and other differences.
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Have you and Paizo gotten back from the field trip to Middle Earth, or is that happening later tonight ?That was a 2:30 event. It was a GREAT movie. Can't wait for the next one!While we're at it...
In the credits of the film, you (James Jacobs) are listed under (IIRC 'Digital Creatures $something').
So, what did you do for the film? And, why didn't you tell anyone? *ducks*
Heh... nope. Different James.
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Okay. Hmmm.
Do you make a clear break between Planar and Space exploation in Golarion's core setting? So, if "Deep Space" is the Dark Tapestries can it be handled in terms of Planar Travel?
Also Can Dark Tapestry involve positive forces?
Finally, what is your take on Planar adventures and how do you think Golarion approaches it?
Planar travel and space travel are different. Outer space, indeed the ENTIRE universe (including all the countless stars and planets) is all contained in the Material Plane. It is, in fact, fair to say that "universe" and "Material Plane" are synonyms. You' can't plane shift or gate to the Dark Tapestry from Golarion, as a result, since it's on the same plane as you.
The Dark Tapestry is in large part still mysterious, and it's big, so I suppose it's POSSIBLE that there could be "positive forces" there, but they would be very rare. The whole point of the Dark Tapestry is to have a place for "Things beyond human understanding" to come from, and including elements within that region that are kindly or helpful or, frankly, even aware of humanity significantly erodes the flavor and theme of the region. So, at this point, I'd say no... no "positive forces" in the Dark Tapestry. The best we can hope from the Dark Tapestry is ambivalence to or ignorance of our existence.
I quite like planar adventures. We've published a few before. We'll be including a fair amount of planar adventures in the upcoming Adventure Path "Wrath of the Righteous."
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Even the dwarves? And the singing? And the singing dwarves? :3Have you and Paizo gotten back from the field trip to Middle Earth, or is that happening later tonight ?That was a 2:30 event. It was a GREAT movie. Can't wait for the next one!
Not a fan of dwarves, but these dwarves were well done. And I've always loved halflings, and that love is BECAUSE of hobbits in "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings," so seeing hobbits on the big screen is always delightful. And it's worth pointing out that the move's called "The Hobbit" and not "The Dwarves."
And the singing is fine. It's not a musical—the singing in "The Hobbit" makes sense and it's understandable in the context of the story when the singing starts.
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Isn't it also true that Bane weapons don't make a weapon an effective higher plus for going against DR, just add a further bonus to hit and bonus damage? +5 weapon is still a +5 weapon in that aspect despite the extra +2?
Yup; but again, there's a pretty big difference between a silver weapon and a mythical weapon.
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I thought I'd asked this before but a search didn't find it, so apologies if this is a duplicate.
Spont-caster or Vancian caster - which do you prefer? Strictly casting method and spell-learning method only, less so the issues of delayed spellcasting and other differences.
Depends on my mood at the time. But I would still categorize the spontaneous casters as using the Vancian system. I VASTLY prefer both of those to a spell point system for a tabletop game. For computer games, I don't mind spell point/mana systems, but I actaully quite like Vancian systems as well. And at least one well-reviewd, well loved, successful video game of last year had a Vancian system (Dark Souls), so it appears I'm not the only one.
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This is a repost from another thread that I started, but was told I should come here for an expedient, though not totally official, resonse.
So I've been looking at the Gunslinger for a long time and I have many questions about a few inconsistencies that I see. The biggest question I have is about a Pistolero class feature...
Alas, I won't be giving an expedient response here. Rules questions like these need to go to the rules forums so the design team can interact with them and folks can hit the FAQ button to help us determine which questions need to be answered. ESPECIALLY if you're hoping for and expecting errata.
Sir,
Under emerging firearms, the default rarity for guns in a campaign, when would YOU implement advanced firearms for players:
"Advanced firearms may exist, but only as rare and wondrous items—the stuff of high-level treasure troves."
Based on the power level of advanced firearms compared to other abilities, I would think about 15th level.
What level do you think is appropiate, if running your campaign with emerging firearms?
Thanks!
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So you're okay with singing when it's in context and annoyed with it when people spontaneously burst into perfectly choreographed song and dance routines with no real reason or warning.
You don't much care for bacon.
And you're an insane inventor who likes to send PCs on dangerous quests.
... You're not related to Patricia Tannis from Borderlands are you? :3
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Okay. Hmmm.
Do you make a clear break between Planar and Space exploation in Golarion's core setting? So, if "Deep Space" is the Dark Tapestries can it be handled in terms of Planar Travel?
Also Can Dark Tapestry involve positive forces?
Finally, what is your take on Planar adventures and how do you think Golarion approaches it?
Planar travel and space travel are different. Outer space, indeed the ENTIRE universe (including all the countless stars and planets) is all contained in the Material Plane. It is, in fact, fair to say that "universe" and "Material Plane" are synonyms. You' can't plane shift or gate to the Dark Tapestry from Golarion, as a result, since it's on the same plane as you.
The Dark Tapestry is in large part still mysterious, and it's big, so I suppose it's POSSIBLE that there could be "positive forces" there, but they would be very rare. The whole point of the Dark Tapestry is to have a place for "Things beyond human understanding" to come from, and including elements within that region that are kindly or helpful or, frankly, even aware of humanity significantly erodes the flavor and theme of the region. So, at this point, I'd say no... no "positive forces" in the Dark Tapestry. The best we can hope from the Dark Tapestry is ambivalence to or ignorance of our existence.
I quite like planar adventures. We've published a few before. We'll be including a fair amount of planar adventures in the upcoming Adventure Path "Wrath of the Righteous."
Wouldn't Flumphs be a positive force from the Dark Tapestry?
Though I guess some would decide they're ambivalent if Flumphs are the most positive force found in the Dark Tapestry.
Isn't Desna associated with the Dark Tapestry?
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Sir,
Under emerging firearms, the default rarity for guns in a campaign, when would YOU implement advanced firearms for players:"Advanced firearms may exist, but only as rare and wondrous items—the stuff of high-level treasure troves."
Based on the power level of advanced firearms compared to other abilities, I would think about 15th level.
What level do you think is appropiate, if running your campaign with emerging firearms?
Thanks!
That depends entirely on the campaign. I could see a campaign where the PCs find advanced firearms in the first adventure being pretty fun. The earlier in the campaign the PCs get them, though, the more the focus of the campaign really needs to be about the guns.
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So you're okay with singing when it's in context and annoyed with it when people spontaneously burst into perfectly choreographed song and dance routines with no real reason or warning.
You don't much care for bacon.
And you're an insane inventor who likes to send PCs on dangerous quests.
... You're not related to Patricia Tannis from Borderlands are you? :3
HA! No. But she's pretty awesome. I might have a crush on her.
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HA! No. But she's pretty awesome. I might have a crush on her.So you're okay with singing when it's in context and annoyed with it when people spontaneously burst into perfectly choreographed song and dance routines with no real reason or warning.
You don't much care for bacon.
And you're an insane inventor who likes to send PCs on dangerous quests.
... You're not related to Patricia Tannis from Borderlands are you? :3
Ho ho! :3 Do you have any other favorite Borderlands characters? And how far have you got in the second one?
1. How long was Sorshen's megadungeon in operation before Earthfall? How long did it take to build?
2. What kind of adventure path do you want to write for Sorshen?
3. What did the art order for Sorshen say?
4. Does Karzoug have any clones lying around?
5. Will any mythic runelords be given the arcane surge ability? I ask because they'll likely be facing PCs with mythic tiers, which nullify the benefits of arcane surge.
6. How many times a round can a wizard cast a spell with arcane surge or wild arcana? The description doesn't say, and if there's no limitation than whichever wizard goes first owns the fight.
7. How do you get a golem to obey you and only you if you're not it's creator?
8. Besides in the megadungeon, will there be robots in Pathfinder Online?
9. What do you particularly like about elves?
10. Why aren't you so keen about dwarves?
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Ho ho! :3 Do you have any other favorite Borderlands characters? And how far have you got in the second one?HA! No. But she's pretty awesome. I might have a crush on her.So you're okay with singing when it's in context and annoyed with it when people spontaneously burst into perfectly choreographed song and dance routines with no real reason or warning.
You don't much care for bacon.
And you're an insane inventor who likes to send PCs on dangerous quests.
... You're not related to Patricia Tannis from Borderlands are you? :3
Lilith is super awesome too!
As for how far I've gotten in the second one... I actaully can't remember. I got distracted by Assassin's Creed III and then by going back to finish Dark Souls.
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So in essence Chosen of Heavens and Dark Tapestry are like polar opposites?
Heh.
I'm excited to hear about the upcoming Planar adventures in Wrath.
Will there be wiggle room for morally questionable characters in Wrath, especially with the Mythic rules in effect?
There's certainly some wiggle room for morally questionable characters in Wrath of the Righteous... more so if they're willing to play nice with good guys and help fight demons. But the Adventure Path will work better with players who are eager and willing to be good guys.
In the course of collating all available religious material for a player handout (more like a player brick at this point, really), a couple of things caught my attention.
1) Lissala. She seems to be the only god, in fact the only entity alive and able to grant divine spells, that does not have a known title/epithet! Besmara the Pirate Queen; Groetus, God of the End Times; Hadregash, Greatest Supreme Chieftain Boss... ...Lissala.
Is this a deliberate choice, or something that just slipped by? If the latter, would you be willing to furnish her with something appropriate?
2) Kurgess. Looking at his legend, he's an obvious choice for a mythic mortal given a boost to demigodhood... complete with a possible divine heritage, as you mentioned here:
And yes... deities do go out and... visit... mortals now and then. In fact, that element (playing the son or daughter of a deity) is going to be something of one of the underlying themes of Mythic Adventures to explain why and how certain PCs are mythical.
It's because mom is Desna.
...The interesting thing is, Kurgess is rumored to have been the "half-mortal son" of Cayden Cailean and Desna. If this were true... would it indicate a general rule reminiscent of BECMI's Immortals, that the gods can't just reproduce and have children who begin at god level? Or would this be better handled on a case-by-case basis?
...On a side note, the thought of the gods having such children in defiance of conventional gender roles or even reproductive norms amuses me. Potential mythic character: the child of Desna, Sarenrae, and Shelyn... :)
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1. How long was Sorshen's megadungeon in operation before Earthfall? How long did it take to build?
2. What kind of adventure path do you want to write for Sorshen?
3. What did the art order for Sorshen say?
4. Does Karzoug have any clones lying around?
5. Will any mythic runelords be given the arcane surge ability? I ask because they'll likely be facing PCs with mythic tiers, which nullify the benefits of arcane surge.
6. How many times a round can a wizard cast a spell with arcane surge or wild arcana? The description doesn't say, and if there's no limitation than whichever wizard goes first owns the fight.
7. How do you get a golem to obey you and only you if you're not it's creator?
8. Besides in the megadungeon, will there be robots in Pathfinder Online?
9. What do you particularly like about elves?
10. Why aren't you so keen about dwarves?
1) Not sure.
2) Ones I'm not ready to reveal yet.
3) I can't remember the details—wrote it years ago for Inner Sea Magic. Probably something like "This is a beautiful human woman with long dark hair and sexy robes; she carries a glaive with two blades at one end." But the artist misinterpreted the "two blades" part and made it into a double weapon instead of a double-bladed glaive, alas.
4) Unknown, but probably not. Not really his style. And if he DID have some clones lying around, we would have certainly mentioned them in "Rise of the Runelords."
5) The mythic rules are not set in stone, so it's impossible to say what we might or might not do for any mythic NPCs at this point.
6) Dunno; not familiar with either of those options off the top of my head. The general design philosophy is that it's really tough to cast more than one spell a round, and so far, there's not really a way to cast more than 2 a round.
7) The rules don't offer a solution for that at this point that I'm aware of. I'd say by using Craft Construct on a restrained golem to "reprogram" it to serve you and by spending a lot of money (perhaps half of the cost of the golem) to do so.
8) The actual contents of Pathfinder Online are not yet set in stone. I really don't expect there to be robots in the game at all. You'll need to direct actual questions about what's going into the game and what's not to Goblinworks, though, in any event.
9) The fact that back in 1st edition they had a LOT of cool multiclass options. More than any other race. Also, they're very very atractive!
10) Because in 1st edition they had a very limited number of multiclass options and low level limits. They're also pretty ugly. And they're also generally portrayed as loud, stubborn, arrogant drunks, which are all personality traits that really REALLY rub me the wrong way.
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In the course of collating all available religious material for a player handout (more like a player brick at this point, really), a couple of things caught my attention.
1) Lissala. She seems to be the only god, in fact the only entity alive and able to grant divine spells, that does not have a known title/epithet! Besmara the Pirate Queen; Groetus, God of the End Times; Hadregash, Greatest Supreme Chieftain Boss... ...Lissala.
Is this a deliberate choice, or something that just slipped by? If the latter, would you be willing to furnish her with something appropriate?
2) Kurgess. Looking at his legend, he's an obvious choice for a mythic mortal given a boost to demigodhood... complete with a possible divine heritage, as you mentioned here:
And yes... deities do go out and... visit... mortals now and then. In fact, that element (playing the son or daughter of a deity) is going to be something of one of the underlying themes of Mythic Adventures to explain why and how certain PCs are mythical.
It's because mom is Desna.
...The interesting thing is, Kurgess is rumored to have been the "half-mortal son" of Cayden Cailean and Desna. If this were true... would it indicate a general rule reminiscent of BECMI's Immortals, that the gods can't just reproduce and have children who begin at god level? Or would this be better handled on a case-by-case basis?
...On a side note, the thought of the gods having such children in defiance of conventional gender roles or even reproductive norms amuses me. Potential mythic character: the child of Desna, Sarenrae, and Shelyn... :)
1) If we didn't make one up for her in the recent article about her in Pathfinder... then yes, that's a deliberate choice. Up until the recent article, we simply hadn't had much at all to say about her is all.
2) Or perhaps that Cayden Cailean slept with Desna BEFORE he became a god...
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...On a side note, the thought of the gods having such children in defiance of conventional gender roles or even reproductive norms amuses me. Potential mythic character: the child of Desna, Sarenrae, and Shelyn... :)
This sort of thing is pretty common in Earth-bound mythology; I'm familiar with several Indian legends:
The second incarnation of the Hindu god Daksha Prajapati had 10 fathers (all brothers) and one mother, an apsara nymph.
Nishada and Prithu, also, were formed by kneading the corpse of their father Vena, and hence, had no mother.
A certain number of Hindu gods, like the sons of Shiva (Murugan and Ganesha) had only one parent - Murugan's mother is a river, rather than female entity, and Ganesha was spontaneously generated by Parvati, though he was adopted by Shiva.
In fact, unusual facts of birth seem to be a major indicator of mythic status, in general.
In Raiders of the Fever Sea, Wesley Schneider writes that "Mr. NcCreary...made a boat...a full miniatures-scale ship--and it looks fantastic!" He also made mention that this ship smuggled its way onto your top shelf (unless it was some other "James" to which he was referring).
Can we see a picture of it please? :D
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...On a side note, the thought of the gods having such children in defiance of conventional gender roles or even reproductive norms amuses me. Potential mythic character: the child of Desna, Sarenrae, and Shelyn... :)
This sort of thing is pretty common in Earth-bound mythology; I'm familiar with several Indian legends:
The second incarnation of the Hindu god Daksha Prajapati had 10 fathers (all brothers) and one mother, an apsara nymph.
Nishada and Prithu, also, were formed by kneading the corpse of their father Vena, and hence, had no mother.
A certain number of Hindu gods, like the sons of Shiva (Murugan and Ganesha) had only one parent - Murugan's mother is a river, rather than female entity, and Ganesha was spontaneously generated by Parvati, though he was adopted by Shiva.
In fact, unusual facts of birth seem to be a major indicator of mythic status, in general.
Gilgamesh, of course, was one-third man and two-thirds god, and Heimdall had nine mothers...
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Demons Revisited?No such book has yet been announced, as far as I know.
That is not a denial.