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Ooh, Laird IceCubez's question leads me to wonder, would it have possibly made sense, given Golarion's use of the First World, for Fey to be folded into the Outsider type (the way Elementals were, and Giants were into the Humanoid type?).

Obviously it *didn't* happen, but it seems to fit the setting and where Paizo has gone with the Fey, with a plane of their own.


James Jacobs wrote:
If it's possible for humans to do that, then yes. AKA: Up to your GM, I suppose, but that's unlikely to be something we'd ever do in print. It's too confusing.

I didn't really expect it to ever show up outside of a rare few NPCs such as a Tiefling born in hell or the like, I was asking because of an idea I had for a race.

Q: Can manasaputra or kami produce aasimar or something similar? The latter I imagine yes since Oni are also native outsiders and they produce tieflings.

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Laird IceCubez wrote:

Are there any planes that don't have outsiders?

Like are the Fey considered First World's Outsiders?

There are outsiders on pretty much every plane I believe.

Fey were not the First World's outsiders. They're fey. They're a "first draft at mortal life" more or less.

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Set wrote:

Ooh, Laird IceCubez's question leads me to wonder, would it have possibly made sense, given Golarion's use of the First World, for Fey to be folded into the Outsider type (the way Elementals were, and Giants were into the Humanoid type?).

Obviously it *didn't* happen, but it seems to fit the setting and where Paizo has gone with the Fey, with a plane of their own.

The First World was a very late addition to the Great Beyond; it wasn't even a part of the setting, really, when we published the first softcover Great Beyond nor the first setting hardcover. We were already WAY into the game at that point, so ret-conning all fey into outsiders wasn't really something I was interested in doing.

The fey type is an interesting one on its own and does things the outsider type does not. Furthermore, the outsider type is already way too bloated... so rolling more creatures into it isn't a great choice either.

So no... I don't think it would have made sense.

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IonutRO wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
If it's possible for humans to do that, then yes. AKA: Up to your GM, I suppose, but that's unlikely to be something we'd ever do in print. It's too confusing.

I didn't really expect it to ever show up outside of a rare few NPCs such as a Tiefling born in hell or the like, I was asking because of an idea I had for a race.

Q: Can manasaputra or kami produce aasimar or something similar? The latter I imagine yes since Oni are also native outsiders and they produce tieflings.

I suppose it's possible but we havn't invented anything like that yet, nor are there any plans to.


Since we are talking about the First World, do you have a favorite of the Eldest?

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Dragon78 wrote:
Since we are talking about the First World, do you have a favorite of the Eldest?

Green Lady


James, who is the better singer:

Phil Collins or Paul Carrack?

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Black Dougal wrote:

James, who is the better singer:

Phil Collins or Paul Carrack?

No opinion.

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Laird IceCubez wrote:

Are there any planes that don't have outsiders?

Like are the Fey considered First World's Outsiders?

There are outsiders on pretty much every plane I believe.

Fey were not the First World's outsiders. They're fey. They're a "first draft at mortal life" more or less.

Is there a word for an outsider who's essence belongs to a plane, like a plane's embodiment maybe.

So are there First World Outsiders who have the essence of the First World? Do the original Kytons still have the essence of Hell or did they convert to the Shadow Plane's essence?


Mr. James Jacobs,

If Edmond Dantes, aka the Count of Monte Cristo, were a person on Golarion would Calistria look upon him favorably?


Q: Will we ever see antimoks stated up for Pathfinder/show up on Golarion?

Mystery Monsters Revisited makes references to human/yeti hybrids, so there's a precedent something like them on Golarion.

Silver Crusade

How difficult is it to make a major plane? As compared to making a demi-plane.

Why would someone choose to make a demi-plane over a major plane?

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Laird IceCubez wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Laird IceCubez wrote:

Are there any planes that don't have outsiders?

Like are the Fey considered First World's Outsiders?

There are outsiders on pretty much every plane I believe.

Fey were not the First World's outsiders. They're fey. They're a "first draft at mortal life" more or less.

Is there a word for an outsider who's essence belongs to a plane, like a plane's embodiment maybe.

So are there First World Outsiders who have the essence of the First World? Do the original Kytons still have the essence of Hell or did they convert to the Shadow Plane's essence?

That's what all outsiders are. So yes, and the word is "Outsider."

I'm not sure there are any "First World outsiders." They're fey.

As for Kytons, they're pretty much Shadow Plane these days.

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Mr. James Jacobs,

If Edmond Dantes, aka the Count of Monte Cristo, were a person on Golarion would Calistria look upon him favorably?

Doubt it.

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IonutRO wrote:

Q: Will we ever see antimoks stated up for Pathfinder/show up on Golarion?

Mystery Monsters Revisited makes references to human/yeti hybrids, so there's a precedent something like them on Golarion.

Unlikely, but I guess we'll see... I'd have to look into that a bit more. "Antimok" is a creature from my hombebrew, in any event.

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Laird IceCubez wrote:

How difficult is it to make a major plane? As compared to making a demi-plane.

Why would someone choose to make a demi-plane over a major plane?

Difficult enough that it would take a deity, perhaps multiple deities, to make one. It's not something PCs can do unless you have a very permissive GM.


Congratulations, you've been offered to become a succubus! Additionally, you get placed in the location of your choice (which I'm guessing would be Seattle or Sandpoint so I needn't ask about that), and even get to keep your alignment and have your powers change accordingly. Would you take the offer? Why or why not?

(And no, this isn't me being suggestive. Remember AD&D's The Complete Book of Villains?)

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Laird IceCubez wrote:

How difficult is it to make a major plane? As compared to making a demi-plane.

Why would someone choose to make a demi-plane over a major plane?

Difficult enough that it would take a deity, perhaps multiple deities, to make one. It's not something PCs can do unless you have a very permissive GM.

So why make a plane over a demi-plane?

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So asking clarification on one Iron Gods related thing about Ozmyn. I guess I'll put AP plot questions into spoiler tag

So about Ozmyn Zaidow..:
I'm bit confused about what does Ozmyn being willing pawn of Unity means since I understood from reading through IG that he was forcibly converted and upgraded. Does that mean that even though he was originally unwilling convert, he actually agrees with Unity's ideals/upgrades so that if he was released from it's controls he would still side with Unity or that even though Unity can directly control him, he isn't actually doing so Ozmyn, similar to like using dominate monster on someone and then telling them they are free to do whatever they want?


James Jacobs wrote:
IonutRO wrote:

Q: Will we ever see antimoks stated up for Pathfinder/show up on Golarion?

Mystery Monsters Revisited makes references to human/yeti hybrids, so there's a precedent something like them on Golarion.

Unlikely, but I guess we'll see... I'd have to look into that a bit more. "Antimok" is a creature from my hombebrew, in any event.

Your homebrew race is what I was referring to, since you mentioned them a few years ago.

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AlgaeNymph wrote:

Congratulations, you've been offered to become a succubus! Additionally, you get placed in the location of your choice (which I'm guessing would be Seattle or Sandpoint so I needn't ask about that), and even get to keep your alignment and have your powers change accordingly. Would you take the offer? Why or why not?

(And no, this isn't me being suggestive. Remember AD&D's The Complete Book of Villains?)

I'm not sure how "You've been offered to become a succubus" isn't suggestive, and can't really interpret that any other way... but that said, I'd take Sandpoint over Seattle since Sandpoint is a place I've kinda built as the ideal incarnation of my home town, with all its warts and glories. I didn't have that sort of control over Seattle! Plus... Golarion seems like a nicer place to live overall... it'd be nice to get a cure disease spell when you have the sniffles.

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Laird IceCubez wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Laird IceCubez wrote:

How difficult is it to make a major plane? As compared to making a demi-plane.

Why would someone choose to make a demi-plane over a major plane?

Difficult enough that it would take a deity, perhaps multiple deities, to make one. It's not something PCs can do unless you have a very permissive GM.
So why make a plane over a demi-plane?

Because if you can, then why stay in the beginner league?

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CorvusMask wrote:

So asking clarification on one Iron Gods related thing about Ozmyn. I guess I'll put AP plot questions into spoiler tag

Spoiler:
I'm bit confused about what does Ozmyn being willing pawn of Unity means since I understood from reading through IG that he was forcibly converted and upgraded. Does that mean that even though he was originally unwilling convert, he actually agrees with Unity's ideals/upgrades so that if he was released from it's controls he would still side with Unity or that even though Unity can directly control him, he isn't actually doing so Ozmyn, similar to like using dominate monster on someone and then telling them they are free to do whatever they want?

Spoiler:
It's been years sine I've had my head in Iron Gods, so I don't remember the details and don't really have much insight into Ozmyn's personality beyond what I wrote and developed in the Adventure Path installments. But yes, he was originally an unwilling servant who valued his free will but that's gone now. It's not dominate monster so much as biological reprogramming of the mind. His thinking has been overwritten. That's Unity's big flaw. It thinks it can program faith, but all it really does is make slaves. That Unity can't tell the difference between faith and enslavement is its central and critical flaw.


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Swift016 wrote:

How do you justify Sorshen being the second strongest Runelord when enchantment is mechanically very underwhelming? A huge chunk of the bestiary is immune to mind-affecting. Even worse, she's (presumably) a Thassilonian specialist in enchantment, meaning she can't use necromancy and transmutation, which are arguably two of the stronger schools.

Don't get me wrong; Sorshen is bae, but I'm curious how she rose to power, kept it, and will be challenging when she eventually shows up in an AP.

That's a lot of hyperbole. I'm not interested in an argument about which school of magic is the most powerful, because that's not a debate that I'm interested in trying to win. That's not how I play the game.

You don't need to mind control EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. Just a few key players get you at the top of a pyramid scheme of power.

But beyond that, the fact that she's one of the strongest Runelords is not a factor of her rules, but a factor of everything about the character. There's more to the game world than the rules as they apply to PCs. Sorshen is not a PC. NPCs don't have to follow the same rules as PCs.

I doubt there's anything I can say to sway you to thinking that suddenly enchantment is the best, but that's not what I want to do with this stuff. I can only ask you to check out Return of the Runelords when it comes out and then make your own decision then. If you're running the game and it breaks your verisimilitude to have her be an enchanter, change it however you want.

I didn't realize there was any argument; I only cited the fact that much of the bestiary is immune to mind-affecting, and wizards especially have many, many methods for countering or avoiding that kind of magic.

As I said, I enjoy Sorshen as a character entirely, but I am curious how she managed to hold power over other spellcasters and become stronger than all but one other runelord when an enchanter would be at a mechanical disadvantage in a straight fight. Did she rise to power and stay there strictly through political subterfuge and surrounding herself with powerful allies through her charm?


Have you ever watched any of the following TV series: "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", "Farscape", "Angel", "Bones", "Dragnet", "Dark Angel", "Knight Rider", "Twilight Zone", "Get Smart", "Buck Rogers", and/or "X-Files"?

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As some one who has created a lot of stuff for both Golarion and his own works do you have any advice for some one looking to create his own home brew adventure?

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I know you've said recently that you've been dropping hints about Norgorber's mortal identity in some adventures over the last few years, but will we ever find out more any time soon?


As an aside to cash's question, in the Hell's Rebels adventure path...

Spoiler:
Was Mangvhune/Varl Wex/Skinsaw Cultists a story line that you heavily developed, and if so, do/did you have any long-term plans for that story beyond the scope of the adventure path?

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Swift016 wrote:

As I said, I enjoy Sorshen as a character entirely, but I am curious how she managed to hold power over other spellcasters and become stronger than all but one other runelord when an enchanter would be at a mechanical disadvantage in a straight fight. Did she rise to power and stay there strictly through political subterfuge and surrounding herself with powerful allies through her charm?

If only we had an Adventure Path coming later this year that's all about the runelords! :-P

AKA: have patience and check out Return of the Runelords when it launches in August... there'll be more details therein.

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Dragon78 wrote:

Have you ever watched any of the following TV series: "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", "Farscape", "Angel", "Bones", "Dragnet", "Dark Angel", "Knight Rider", "Twilight Zone", "Get Smart", "Buck Rogers", and/or "X-Files"?

Buffy: Saw 2 episodes but it didn't hook me so I never watched any more.

Farscape: Saw the 1st episode and didn't like it.

Angel: No

Bones: No

Dragnet: No

Dark Angel: No

Knight Rider: Absolutely yes, but only the original series in the 80s as it aired.

Twilight Zone: Yes

Get Smart: Maybe a few episodes but didn't like it.

Buck Rogers: No

X-Files: Every episode except the new season which I haven't had the chance to start watching yet.

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loc wrote:
As some one who has created a lot of stuff for both Golarion and his own works do you have any advice for some one looking to create his own home brew adventure?

Be patient, don't try to do everything at once, start small, and don't be afraid to borrow from other entertainment sources for ideas.

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cash4golda wrote:
I know you've said recently that you've been dropping hints about Norgorber's mortal identity in some adventures over the last few years, but will we ever find out more any time soon?

There's a fair amount in Pathfinder #99. One of the things I wanted to pitch to the novel line was a Red Mantis vs. Skinsaw Cult novel that would have looked into more about Norgorber's past and character, but it never happened.

Dunno if it (or other things that explore Norgorber) ever will, or if they DO, I don't know if I'll be the one telling the story.

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xrayregime wrote:

As an aside to cash's question, in the Hell's Rebels adventure path...

Spoiler:
Was Mangvhune/Varl Wex/Skinsaw Cultists a story line that you heavily developed, and if so, do/did you have any long-term plans for that story beyond the scope of the adventure path?

It was absolutely a heavy development part of the storyline, but then all of Hell's Rebels was. I did a VERY detailed outline for the AP. I had plans to do Mangvhune stuff in particular for a long time, which is why I previewed him in Demons Revisited. The individual authors of the adventures brought a lot of great additional material to the storyline, of course!


Do you remember what two episodes of Buffy you saw?

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Dragon78 wrote:
Do you remember what two episodes of Buffy you saw?

The very first one, which was really rough and sloppy, and some random one from the middle when I was in the hospital for a blood clot over a decade ago. Neither episode particularly left a mark in my memories.

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Hey James! Will we ever find out more about the Oliphaunt of Jandelay and what or who Jandelay is? Thanks for taking the time answer all our questions!

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cash4golda wrote:
Hey James! Will we ever find out more about the Oliphaunt of Jandelay and what or who Jandelay is? Thanks for taking the time answer all our questions!

Yes.

Planar Adventures has a page on the demiplane of Jandelay and a 2-page monster from there.

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cash4golda wrote:
Hey James! Will we ever find out more about the Oliphaunt of Jandelay and what or who Jandelay is? Thanks for taking the time answer all our questions!

Yes.

Planar Adventures has a page on the demiplane of Jandelay and a 2-page monster from there.

Nice! Will the Oliphaunt or Jandelay itself make an appearance in the new Runelords AP?

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cash4golda wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
cash4golda wrote:
Hey James! Will we ever find out more about the Oliphaunt of Jandelay and what or who Jandelay is? Thanks for taking the time answer all our questions!

Yes.

Planar Adventures has a page on the demiplane of Jandelay and a 2-page monster from there.

Nice! Will the Oliphaunt or Jandelay itself make an appearance in the new Runelords AP?

That's too far ahead in the future for me to reveal yet.

AKA Yes I know if it will, but I'm not gonna say for a few months still at least. ;-)


So Planar Adventures will have info about new demi-planes?

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Sorry to ask in the wrong forum, but who do I contact regarding the Humble Bundle comicbooks, it just says pending my account.

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Dragon78 wrote:
So Planar Adventures will have info about new demi-planes?

A few, yeah. Not really BRAND new, but some we've never really said much about before.

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Laird IceCubez wrote:
Sorry to ask in the wrong forum, but who do I contact regarding the Humble Bundle comicbooks, it just says pending my account.

I have no idea. My first guess would be Humble Bundle. My second would be to post in the customer service boards.

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Laird IceCubez wrote:
Sorry to ask in the wrong forum, but who do I contact regarding the Humble Bundle comicbooks, it just says pending my account.
I have no idea. My first guess would be Humble Bundle. My second would be to post in the customer service boards.

Oh no, as in it says pending on my Paizo account. I bought it through Humble Bundle, but the order is through Paizo I think? It's for the Worldscape One-Shots Volume 2 books.


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Laird, the Bundle will have codes on the Humble site.

You apply those codes in your account section on Paizo where it says 'Partner Redemptions'

James,

Have you ever had a situation in a game you were running (not necessarily Pathfinder) where a player was exceptionally precocious and figured out a huge chunk of the plot/story-line before you had introduced it?

As a follow-up: If so, how did you treat the situation?


A number of deities and demigods appear to have started out as mortals somewhere and ascended through circumstance or by the will of another god. A lot of these, such as Milani, were born on Golarion.

Now, obviously Golarion is a special world being the cage of Rovagug and all that, and would naturally get a lot of attention from the gods. That still leaves the fact that with a whole multiverse of worlds, so many deities/demigods are themselves from that planet.

So, question 1: Are MOST of those specific deities/demigods who started out as mortals...from Golarion?

Granted, places like Triaxus likely have their own gods we don't hear about that were born a Triaxian. However, we know that for example, Iomedae is a deity judged by the powers that be as "of great importance" and given an expansive realm in Heaven. I'm assuming these other races from other worlds still go to heaven if they are LG.

So question 2: Would aliens worship any gods that started out as mortals on Golarion? Obviously everyone would have some equivalent of Pharasma or Gozreh. But given the apparent prominence of, for example, Iomedae within THE LG plane, would LG clerics on other worlds know about her (through a good old roll of knowledge planes), and worship her, just not really focusing on her origin amid a specific conflict in the Inner Sea?

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Have you ever had a situation in a game you were running (not necessarily Pathfinder) where a player was exceptionally precocious and figured out a huge chunk of the plot/story-line before you had introduced it?

As a follow-up: If so, how did you treat the situation?

Yes, several times. A few times because I believe they were cheating, which was unfortunate, but usually because the player knows me or is perceptive or both. In those cases, I reward their perception and ability to plan ahead by playing things off a bit like their character may have had a vision of the future.

And how do you tell the difference between a cheater and a perceptive character? The cheater uses his knowledge to make character choices that have no sense UNLESS you know what's coming and gets hyper defensive if you even hint at cheating or "reading ahead" in the adventure. The perceptive player doesn't make those choices and keeps his guesses separate from player knowledge and might not even realize what he's doing and would be confused by hints of cheating.

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bixnoodles wrote:

A number of deities and demigods appear to have started out as mortals somewhere and ascended through circumstance or by the will of another god. A lot of these, such as Milani, were born on Golarion.

Now, obviously Golarion is a special world being the cage of Rovagug and all that, and would naturally get a lot of attention from the gods. That still leaves the fact that with a whole multiverse of worlds, so many deities/demigods are themselves from that planet.

So, question 1: Are MOST of those specific deities/demigods who started out as mortals...from Golarion?

Granted, places like Triaxus likely have their own gods we don't hear about that were born a Triaxian. However, we know that for example, Iomedae is a deity judged by the powers that be as "of great importance" and given an expansive realm in Heaven. I'm assuming these other races from other worlds still go to heaven if they are LG.

One question per post, please. I'll answer question 1, but please repost question 2 on its own.

The Inner Sphere is big enough that the entire universe is contained within, and then the Outer Sphere is big enough that it's a tiny speck at the center so distant that regular teleportation cannot traverse it. AKA: there's MORE than enough room in the Great Beyond for all the deities every world requires.

For the deities we detail, yes, the majority of those who began as mortals did so on Golarion. Probably ALL of them. CERTAINLY all of the ones who we've said much about. Other worlds will have their own, but we don't really talk about them at all because they're on worlds we don't publish information for. It's POSSIBLE for a mortal become deity to be worshiped on other worlds, but super rare, and if different worlds share deities, almost all the time they're old ones that predate mortals in the first place.

Iomedae is judged by the powers of Heaven to be important and has her own realm in Heaven, yes, but that doesn't mean she's important at all beyond Golarion, and in fact, she's not.

Starfinder mixes this up, of course, by having different cultures in space mix more frequently.

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What's a good price-range for a slightly flashy, but serviceable and not totally purse-burning, quartz drinking vessel, the kind that an adventurer from a "threadbare nobility" background would keep on hand for the occasions the little tin mug in his mess kit just starts to feel beneath him?

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