Looking at the hunga munga from the Adventurers Armoury,.. It's listed as a ranged weapon but "can be used in melee". What type of weapon (light, 1 handed etc.) does the hunga munga (and the chakram) count as for purposes of 2-weapon fighting?
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Looking at the hunga munga from the Adventurers Armoury,.. It's listed as a ranged weapon but "can be used in melee". What type of weapon (light, 1 handed etc.) does the hunga munga (and the chakram) count as for purposes of 2-weapon fighting?
It's not clear, but I let my wife treat it as a light melée weapon since most throwable melée weapons are. There may be rules text to support that, but i haven't seen it. It just seems like anything other than light is too heavy to throw without feats.
It's not clear, but I let my wife treat it as a light melée weapon since most throwable melée weapons are. There may be rules text to support that, but i haven't seen it. It just seems like anything other than light is too heavy to throw without feats.
Except that there are quite a few 1-handed weapons with range:
Aklys, Club, Shortspear.
In fact the spear (range 20') is 2-handed!
The hunga munga is a real weapon and was used by various groups of folk in Africa to murder the eff out of one another throughout history. Each type of hunga munga has a very hard to pronounce name but they are typically in the large dagger to short sword range for general size.
Here is a link to some individual's personal collection of Hunga Mungas..mungai...mung..the pluralization is a whole other thread topic I think...
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It's not clear, but I let my wife treat it as a light melée weapon since most throwable melée weapons are. There may be rules text to support that, but i haven't seen it. It just seems like anything other than light is too heavy to throw without feats.
Except that there are quite a few 1-handed weapons with range:
Aklys, Club, Shortspear.
In fact the spear (range 20') is 2-handed!
None of them are similar to the hunga munga in general size and appearance, though. Never realized you could throw a club, though. That's new for me.
I would treat a bladed throwing weapon like the closest similar bladed throwing weapon barring any rules text to the contrary. Otherwise it's completely arbitrary.
Is the star knife considered a finesse weapon? That might be a good comparison for chakraam.
The problem is that a hunga munga in reality is no clearly defined type of weapon. As each tribe, possibly even each smith builds these things along their own ideas, there are vast differences in size and weight (and, for PF-terms, handedness) - just look at this picture for some examples. Some of them could be called throwing knives, some are more akin to throwing axes, some don't even look like you could effectively throw such a crudely shaped object but are as deadly as the others.
That said... while it would be contingent on the actual size and weight of the weapon you use, and is in fact still a DMs call, it could be a light weapon since it is actually called "dagger" in the description and has the same stats (just with a bigger range increment) like the throwing axe, which also is a light martial weapon.
On the other hand, we won't see anyone using a throwing axe again if the hunga munga does the same + increased range, so I'd give it -1 on melee attacks for its weird shape to balance it against the axe again, or maybe it is no light weapon after all. And to steal an argument from another thread (in which they debated the general question of the handedness of ranged weapons, since most of them are not specified):
Since you apply your full Strength modifier to thrown weapons (p. 141), I'd treat them all as one-handed, if it ever mattered and wasn't specified in the weapon's description.
I'd follow that idea. It's easier than having to debate and balance each separate weapon.