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I'm trying to decide whether I want to run a game in the worlds of Ravenloft or Greyhawk. Which would be easier to convert? Furthermore, should I use the "expeditions" books that were published for 3.5, or should I get the 3.0 stuff or older and try to convert it? I'm a new DM so suggestions from veterans are very welcome. =)


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Devil's_Advocate wrote:
I'm trying to decide whether I want to run a game in the worlds of Ravenloft or Greyhawk. Which would be easier to convert? Furthermore, should I use the "expeditions" books that were published for 3.5, or should I get the 3.0 stuff or older and try to convert it? I'm a new DM so suggestions from veterans are very welcome. =)

Take a gander from the older stuff if you can find it in print. I didn't like the product lay-out of Expedition to Castle Ravenloft, but it is a descent module. And of course, with Azlin at the Helm of Darkon, his own domain, it's possible you can link both together for a mega-campaign.


I'm a big fan of self-conversions. Do you want to run Ravenloft the setting or Ravenloft the adventure? Because expedition is pretty decently done.

I'm in the process of converting the Conjunction modules for pathfinder, using a combination of the original 2e box set (pre-conjunction) PF core/APG, Sword and Sorcery Ravenloft 3.5 book, Heroes of Horror and various Dragon Magazine updates.

I'll probably run it next year or the year after, depending on how quickly my current campaign progresses.

Shadow Lodge

Hi Devil's_Advocate,

I 've actually completed a short pdf of a conversion guide for using Ravenloft with pathfinder. You can find it for download.

mistfinder.blogspot.com/

I love the setting and can't recommend it enough.


meatrace wrote:

I'm a big fan of self-conversions. Do you want to run Ravenloft the setting or Ravenloft the adventure? Because expedition is pretty decently done.

I'm in the process of converting the Conjunction modules for pathfinder, using a combination of the original 2e box set (pre-conjunction) PF core/APG, Sword and Sorcery Ravenloft 3.5 book, Heroes of Horror and various Dragon Magazine updates.

I'll probably run it next year or the year after, depending on how quickly my current campaign progresses.

I think I want to run the setting. I love gothic horror, and I love D&D, so I think it is perfect for me. Furthermore, if I start preparing now, I could have a great campaign ready in time for Halloween.


ugly child wrote:

Hi Devil's_Advocate,

I 've actually completed a short pdf of a conversion guide for using Ravenloft with pathfinder. You can find it for download.

mistfinder.blogspot.com/

I love the setting and can't recommend it enough.

The link to your PDF is broken Ugly Child. Do I need the Pathfinder Bestiary to run it, or do the Ravenloft campaign guides have their own npc's that I will need to update?


Devil's_Advocate wrote:
ugly child wrote:

Hi Devil's_Advocate,

I 've actually completed a short pdf of a conversion guide for using Ravenloft with pathfinder. You can find it for download.

mistfinder.blogspot.com/

I love the setting and can't recommend it enough.

The link to your PDF is broken Ugly Child. Do I need the Pathfinder Bestiary to run it, or do the Ravenloft campaign guides have their own npc's that I will need to update?

Try this.


Jam412 wrote:
Devil's_Advocate wrote:
ugly child wrote:

Hi Devil's_Advocate,

I 've actually completed a short pdf of a conversion guide for using Ravenloft with pathfinder. You can find it for download.

mistfinder.blogspot.com/

I love the setting and can't recommend it enough.

The link to your PDF is broken Ugly Child. Do I need the Pathfinder Bestiary to run it, or do the Ravenloft campaign guides have their own npc's that I will need to update?
Try this.

Awesome, got it. Thanks!

Shadow Lodge

Apologies for the broken link,hope it's some help.

The Ravenloft line from 3.5 has pretty extensive Gazetteer with a lot of statted NPCs. But the Bestiary is very useful in any pathfinder game.


The Expedition to Castle Ravenloft hardcover (published by WotC) is an update of the original 1e adventure to 3.5. More encounters were added to the "outside the castle" portion, and the character of the the Vistani (gypsies) was changed entirely. As such, the ExCRL is most suitable for a "weekend in hell" mini-campaign at the most.

On the other hand, if you want the fantastically rich setting of Ravenloft "the Demiplane of Dread" (as originally published in 2e by TSR), then you can't go wrong with the version updated to 3.0 and 3.5 (by Sword and Sorcery/Arthaus/White Wolf). Once you get your hands on the 3.5 materials, then Ugly Child's Mistfinder will be an extremely useful conversion to PF rules.

Due to D+D's 3.5 rules coming out part way through Sword and Sorcery's publication of the 3.x RL materials, the first three Gazetteers are 3.0, as are Heroes of Light, Champions of Darkness, Van Richten's Guide to the Walking Dead, and Van Richten's Arsenal (of which only the first volume was published). Furthermore, the original 3.0 Ravenloft book was divided/expanded for 3.5 into the RL Player's Handbook and the Ravenloft DMG. The RL monster book for 3.5 is Denizens of Dread (as far as I can recall, the 3.0 version is Denizens of Darkness).

As a side-note, in terms of ease of conversion, Greyhawk is a more "generic Mediaeval" setting, and as such is a lot closer to Golarion than Ravenloft is. Ustalav in Goloarion shows some similarities to the Ravenloft setting.


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I've been doing some Greyhawk work in Hero Lab, going all the way back to the original 1st Edition sources in many cases. I suppose it's from playing in Greyhawk since 1982, I'm feeling all nostalgic or something.

I kinda wish someone could get their hands on the IP for Greyhawk. A new hardback in PFRPG format would rock.


Jeffery Keown 232 said - I kinda wish someone could get their hands on the IP for Greyhawk. A new hardback in PFRPG format would rock.

Who has the IP rights? Wotc or someone else?

What sort of cost would there be to obtain them?

The impression I got is that due to the company going down the tube and legal issues, Gary Gygax lost the rights to a game world he was running for 10+ years. This seems like a great shame.

I know some hardcore Greyhawk fans don't like From The Ashes, but many gamers have played on Oerth with and without FtA. Also there would be many groups in the Flanaess who would want to restore the Shield Lands, Sea Princes etc for various reasons, so you can restore Greyhawk as part of the game.

People choose what they want to use and what not to from each book and setting, but as time goes on its harder to get the old books, so we need have a recent Greyhawk book for people to base their games on and enjoy, else Greyhawk will be gone forever.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Card Game, Companion Subscriber

Greyhawk is WotC IP and chances of them letting go of it are below zero.

Cheliax

ugly child wrote:

Hi Devil's_Advocate,

I 've actually completed a short pdf of a conversion guide for using Ravenloft with pathfinder. You can find it for download.

mistfinder.blogspot.com/

I love the setting and can't recommend it enough.

Saw this thread and I was about to recommend your stuff, Ugly. Glad you beat me to it.

Ugly_Child's conversion guide is great, for anyone who might want to give it a try. He's done a wonderful job on the pdf!

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