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psionichamster wrote:
Any update available?

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Wolfthulhu wrote:
psionichamster wrote:
Any update available?
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According to last update on their facebook page they are still plugging away. At this point they sound as frustrated as those of us waiting for it.

Scarab Sages

john owen wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
psionichamster wrote:
Any update available?
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According to last update on their facebook page they are still plugging away. At this point they sound as frustrated as those of us waiting for it.

I talked to Gareth in person about this book at Origins (I resisted doing so again at Gencon) and his frustration was pretty evident.


Curious question, but is Walt still even tied to the project?


Not sure I didnt want to over step cause I got replys on my FB page.


Urizen wrote:
Curious question, but is Walt still even tied to the project?

Yes, he is -- his material was finished a long while ago. I'm not in a position to ask him to fill in for other freelancers' missing work, because in the meantime he was hired as the VICTORIANA line developer for Cubicle 7, so he's just too busy now.


I'll be crossposting this here and at RPGNow.

WOTA has had a great many things going wrong -- including multiple freelancers dropping off the project, leaving work incomplete. Adamant's recent cash crunch (as a result of the Border's bankruptcy and my failed "app-pricing" experiment) meant that we weren't able to hire replacements, so I've been trying to get everything done myself, and bluntly, I've been overwhelmed. In the past month, I've had another freelancer (who was handling layout) drop out, and return corrupted files, which is the straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm going to be contacting the pre-order customers and asking if they would like refunds (in which case, if a majority say yes, I give up and just cancel the project), or if they're willing to wait a bit longer (I have an offer from a trusted freelancer to come in and pick up the slack).

I'll keep you updated.


Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:

I'm going to be contacting the pre-order customers and asking if they would like refunds (in which case, if a majority say yes, I give up and just cancel the project), or if they're willing to wait a bit longer (I have an offer from a trusted freelancer to come in and pick up the slack).

I have voted for waiting a little bit longer ...

Sczarni

Oof, sounds like a bad break, man.

Perhaps some of the community folks around here could help patch holes in the project.

I know I'm willing to wait, and would be willing to volunteer some time & words to get this project finished.

Dark Archive

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Well that really sucks. I had high hopes for this project, kinda a more serious take a gamma world like D20 game and setting. I was really looking forward to picking this up when money allowed. Hopefully you can get it going eventually.

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Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:

Seriously, though -- you've got a choice: I can answer questions on this forum, or I can get this sucker through layout and get it out there. I don't really have time to do both.

So... I'm just a layman here, but I would think that 'getting this sucker through layout', would imply that most of the writing is done. I mean, how else would the layouters know how to lay it out, am I right?

So, how is it that two moths later you don't have the material at all?

And if someone sent you corrupted files, why not get him to fix his (I assume) contracted obligation to supply NON-corrupted files?

I get the feeling that we have been getting smoke blown up our collective arses for some time now.


I don't think it's really anyone blowing smoke anywhere ... speaking as someone who's worked on a few books, there's quite a bit involved in making a RPG book beyond the writing and, if there's been a small plague unleashed on said book, it can really make it hard to release.

That said, Adamant has always released quality work IMHO and I can understand G-M's desire to have it finished or be done with it. If it doesn't match the quality of their other works, then why would they release it?

In all honesty, we as a community should be trying to help, not hindering something we all want to see :) That said, if Adamant needs some help, Gareth let me know ...

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Sketchpad wrote:

I don't think it's really anyone blowing smoke anywhere ... speaking as someone who's worked on a few books, there's quite a bit involved in making a RPG book beyond the writing and, if there's been a small plague unleashed on said book, it can really make it hard to release.

That said, Adamant has always released quality work IMHO and I can understand G-M's desire to have it finished or be done with it. If it doesn't match the quality of their other works, then why would they release it?

In all honesty, we as a community should be trying to help, not hindering something we all want to see :) That said, if Adamant needs some help, Gareth let me know ...

Quality work, really? Need I point you to Tome of Secrets? If you think that is quality, then you and I are certainly NOT on the same page, maybe not even in the same book...

I signed up for this before Adamant's name was on it. I stayed on board to give them a second shot after my disappointment with their initial PFRPG release. Yeah. Strike two, in my book.

Dark Archive

I for one have always liked what they've done and am willing to wait as long as we're kept updated.


This is the first I've heard of Warlords of the Apocalypse, but I think it sounds really cool. I hope it sees the light of day.


well weve waited this long. to wait as long as we have and not get a product seems kinda silly. im all for waiting, whats a few more year.....i mean......months? jk.

im all for waiting. i got other games going on at the moment so even if i had the book now i wouldnt be able to use it for a bit.


Wolfthulhu wrote:
Sketchpad wrote:

I don't think it's really anyone blowing smoke anywhere ... speaking as someone who's worked on a few books, there's quite a bit involved in making a RPG book beyond the writing and, if there's been a small plague unleashed on said book, it can really make it hard to release.

That said, Adamant has always released quality work IMHO and I can understand G-M's desire to have it finished or be done with it. If it doesn't match the quality of their other works, then why would they release it?

In all honesty, we as a community should be trying to help, not hindering something we all want to see :) That said, if Adamant needs some help, Gareth let me know ...

Quality work, really? Need I point you to Tome of Secrets? If you think that is quality, then you and I are certainly NOT on the same page, maybe not even in the same book...

I signed up for this before Adamant's name was on it. I stayed on board to give them a second shot after my disappointment with their initial PFRPG release. Yeah. Strike two, in my book.

Actually, I liked Tome of Secrets, to be honest. But, in all honesty, choose what you want, but I think it's a bit early to be quite this negative, Wolfthulhu :)

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Sketchpad wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
Sketchpad wrote:

I don't think it's really anyone blowing smoke anywhere ... speaking as someone who's worked on a few books, there's quite a bit involved in making a RPG book beyond the writing and, if there's been a small plague unleashed on said book, it can really make it hard to release.

That said, Adamant has always released quality work IMHO and I can understand G-M's desire to have it finished or be done with it. If it doesn't match the quality of their other works, then why would they release it?

In all honesty, we as a community should be trying to help, not hindering something we all want to see :) That said, if Adamant needs some help, Gareth let me know ...

Quality work, really? Need I point you to Tome of Secrets? If you think that is quality, then you and I are certainly NOT on the same page, maybe not even in the same book...

I signed up for this before Adamant's name was on it. I stayed on board to give them a second shot after my disappointment with their initial PFRPG release. Yeah. Strike two, in my book.

Actually, I liked Tome of Secrets, to be honest. But, in all honesty, choose what you want, but I think it's a bit early to be quite this negative, Wolfthulhu :)

Well, thanks for giving me permission to choose for myself. I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for that bit of affirmation from a complete stranger... Yeah, whatever.

On the other hand, I'm thinking that nearly a year late and on the verge of being canceled completely is a GREAT time to be negative.


Wolfthulhu wrote:
Sketchpad wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
Sketchpad wrote:

I don't think it's really anyone blowing smoke anywhere ... speaking as someone who's worked on a few books, there's quite a bit involved in making a RPG book beyond the writing and, if there's been a small plague unleashed on said book, it can really make it hard to release.

That said, Adamant has always released quality work IMHO and I can understand G-M's desire to have it finished or be done with it. If it doesn't match the quality of their other works, then why would they release it?

In all honesty, we as a community should be trying to help, not hindering something we all want to see :) That said, if Adamant needs some help, Gareth let me know ...

Quality work, really? Need I point you to Tome of Secrets? If you think that is quality, then you and I are certainly NOT on the same page, maybe not even in the same book...

I signed up for this before Adamant's name was on it. I stayed on board to give them a second shot after my disappointment with their initial PFRPG release. Yeah. Strike two, in my book.

Actually, I liked Tome of Secrets, to be honest. But, in all honesty, choose what you want, but I think it's a bit early to be quite this negative, Wolfthulhu :)

Well, thanks for giving me permission to choose for myself. I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for that bit of affirmation from a complete stranger... Yeah, whatever.

On the other hand, I'm thinking that nearly a year late and on the verge of being canceled completely is a GREAT time to be negative.

Bit of a chip on your shoulder there man.

Seriously, perhaps you should ask for a refund of the per-order regardless of what the consensus is. You are clearly angry and obviously dislike the company's other products and current methods of dealing with this issue. Gareth has been more upfront than many small press companies and has frankly shared more information about the cause for the delays than many business owners would be willing to do under any circumstances. I have worked in the hobby industry for years now on the retail side, to have products slip release date by more than a year is unfortunately common part of the price of doing business in an economy where much of the writing for games is done by free lancers of various ability levels and work ethics. Often titles disappear from release schedules for months or forever, without a word from company releasing it even after the announcement of a "hard" release date. This debate is part of the reason some companies no longer give release dates at all, even for in house works.

You appear to be bordering on trolling. Not for your disappointment about the delays and potential cancellation, but for your snide behavior when someone pointed out that other people liked other products from Adamant that you disliked but understood that we all have to make our own choices and have our own tastes. You have made yours clear, it was only reasonable for others to state their disagreement with your opinion by voicing theirs. Just as it was reasonable for them to acknowledge that opinions can be different and that is fine. Adamant and possibly this particular forum seem like they may be a bad fit for you but that is just my opinion.

Sovereign Court

I've been waiting since last year when it was announced I can wait a bit longer. This is a setting that I really want to see the light of day.


john owen wrote:

Bit of a chip on your shoulder there man.

Seriously, perhaps you should ask for a refund of the per-order regardless of what the consensus is.

I would happily refund his pre-order... except....

According to my records, he's not a pre-order customer -- and so far the unanimous decision of our actual customers has been to press ahead.

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Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:

I would happily refund his pre-order... except....

According to my records, he's not a pre-order customer -- and so far the unanimous decision of our actual customers has been to press ahead.

I'm not sure how you would determine that, other than by making huge and incorrect assumptions about my email address based on my forum names here.

Copied text from pre-order customer email that I received on Friday:
From:
To:
Subject: WARLORDS OF THE APOCALYPSE -- a question for pre-order customers
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:02:09 -0500

Folks--
I wanted to come to you with this, because I have a question that I'd like to put to you:
WOTA has had a great many things going wrong -- including multiple freelancers dropping off the project, leaving work incomplete. Adamant's recent cash crunch (as a result of the Border's bankruptcy and my failed "app-pricing" experiment) meant that we weren't able to hire replacements, so I've been trying to get everything done myself, and bluntly, I've been overwhelmed. In the past month, I've had another freelancer (who was handling layout) drop out, and return corrupted files, which is the straw that broke the camel's back.
What I'd like to ask you is:
1) Do you want a refund? If the majority of you say "Yes", I will just cancel this project and refund everyone's pre-order by the end of September.
or
2) Are you willing to hang in for another month or two? (I have an offer from two trusted freelancers to pick up the slack and help me).
Your patience has been more than I could ask for, so you'll forgive me for asking another question of you, I hope.
Replies can be sent to this address.

Gareth-Michael Skarka

Adamant Entertainment

I have chosen not to reply to said email because, despite my misgivings, this is a project I really would like to see make it to print. Post-apocalyptic Pathfinder would be awesome!

What I find most interesting currently is that you chose to reply, not to my post requesting clarification on the hang-ups, but to the controversial responses it triggered.

...And, yes. I admit the blowing smoke line was a bit much, but it does express a real concern.

Dark Archive

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Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:
john owen wrote:

Bit of a chip on your shoulder there man.

Seriously, perhaps you should ask for a refund of the per-order regardless of what the consensus is.

I would happily refund his pre-order... except....

According to my records, he's not a pre-order customer -- and so far the unanimous decision of our actual customers has been to press ahead.

I didn't preorder this, though I planned to buy it after it was out when money allowed. But like I told Nick well over a year ago now. Just keep people up to date. Most people will be understanding, they know *bleep* happens and can screw things up in life. My advice to him and now to you is. Just come on once a week. Let people know that are interested or preordered whats going on. Post on forums, take 20-30 mins a week to make a forum post in a few spots. Even if it is just to log on and say.

Hey sorry guys I got no new news to report. Things haven't changed.

Just keep people informed, then when you do get news. Post about it, don't give promises just keep people informed. Most people will be cool to wait and give you time if you do that.

Dark Archive

Woot! Got the email that this is full steam ahead. Given the success of Far West kickstart I'm wondering if doing one for this would help get writers so you're not over whelmed with having to finish the writing yourself? Not to mention you could get even more cool art to put in it and maybe go full color. Hint, hint!


Wolfthulhu wrote:
I'm not sure how you would determine that, other than by making huge and incorrect assumptions about my email address based on my forum names here.

My mistake, then.

Wolfthulhu wrote:
I have chosen not to reply to said email because, despite my misgivings, this is a project I really would like to see make it to print.

That doesn't make sense -- the email specifically ASKS if you want to see it cancelled, or are willing to wait a bit longer... and you didn't answer because you want to see it make it to print?

Buh?

Honestly, at this point, I think you should contact me, and I'll refund you.


dm4hire wrote:
Woot! Got the email that this is full steam ahead.

Yup! So far only one person has requested a refund. So we're moving ahead on this, and I'd like to thank you for sticking with us!

On Monday I'm doing a conference with the freelancers who have come aboard, and putting them to work on finishing this up.

dm4hire wrote:
Given the success of Far West kickstart I'm wondering if doing one for this would help get writers so you're not over whelmed with having to finish the writing yourself?

I won't be doing a Kickstarter for this (don't want to go to that well too many times) -- but the success of the FAR WEST project has been so overwhelming, so much more than we could have even guessed at, that it is making it possible for us to funnel much much more of our regular sales income into our PATHFINDER efforts (since we can use the FW money to fund our day-to-day operation).

The upshot of all of this? A helluva lot more PATHFINDER stuff from us, on a much more regular schedule.

We're very excited....


Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:


I won't be doing a Kickstarter for this (don't want to go to that well too many times) -- but the success of the FAR WEST project has been so overwhelming, so much more than we could have even guessed at, that it is making it possible for us to funnel much much more of our regular sales income into our PATHFINDER efforts (since we can use the FW money to fund our day-to-day operation).

The upshot of all of this? A helluva lot more PATHFINDER stuff from us, on a much more regular schedule.

We're very excited....

Excellent news! :)


good luck, can't wait. and maybe an open call for freelancers and or layouters? or even $10.00 for a pdf of text?

Shadow Lodge

MGS I have 2 questions for you.

1. Will the PSI look like the SRD PSI or is it going to be different?

2. Any plans to do a data file for Hero Lab?

Shadow Lodge

Any news on this.

I am sucker for post-apocalypse settings with Mutants and PSI.

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I assume he's still, 'getting it through layout'...[/sarcasm]


Wolfthulhu wrote:
I assume he's still, 'getting it through layout'...[/sarcasm]

Why haven't you contacted me for a refund yet, as I requested? It's more than obvious that you're dissatisfied, so I'd like to refund you, thereby removing the requirement for further complaint.

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Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
I assume he's still, 'getting it through layout'...[/sarcasm]
Why haven't you contacted me for a refund yet, as I requested? It's more than obvious that you're dissatisfied, so I'd like to refund you, thereby removing the requirement for further complaint.

You can refund me along with everyone else when this product is canceled. Otherwise, I expect to get what I paid for. In the mean time, that means I have every right to be upset about the delays and lack of communication.


Wolfthulhu wrote:
Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
I assume he's still, 'getting it through layout'...[/sarcasm]
Why haven't you contacted me for a refund yet, as I requested? It's more than obvious that you're dissatisfied, so I'd like to refund you, thereby removing the requirement for further complaint.
You can refund me along with everyone else when this product is canceled. Otherwise, I expect to get what I paid for. In the mean time, that means I have every right to be upset about the delays and lack of communication.

Great idea! If you piss him off more, he'll work faster and better!

The Exchange

You give me too much credit, Cheapy. I don't think he's going to risk pissing off more customers just to spite me.

Of course he could take Dark_Mistress' advice and communicate with us. It seems pretty obvious to me at this point that the lay-out comment was at least 'mostly' a fabrication, but since I'm the only one making an issue, he figures nobody cares about that little detail.

And maybe he's right. Maybe I am the only one irritated with that, but I suspect not.*

* All of course only my interpretation of things, I could well be wrong.

Liberty's Edge

Given that pre-orders were due their pdf copies 4 and a half months ago, and given that apparently now the book still hasn't been written, actually, I think that speaks for itself.

When and if this gets released and subject to its reviews, I plan to pick it up. But I didn't get my hopes up half a year ago, I'm not getting my hopes up now.

I wish you luck on the project though.

Edit: And wolf, if I had pre-ordered, and found out he lied about the state of the product, I'd be enraged. You're handling it rather well, IMO.


I be intendin' to trade in me hard pillaged booty for this when (if?) it is on parchment in ink, Yar! Keep sailin' and pray the sea will keep yer ship afloat!


Wolfthulhu wrote:


And maybe he's right. Maybe I am the only one irritated with that, but I suspect not.*

* All of course only my interpretation of things, I could well be wrong.

Well, yes and no,.....

You see,....I didn't preorder this, but.....
well,......
I didn't preorder this. If you catch my drift.

Shadow Lodge

Hey folks being pissey to the author is not going to get the book done faster.

Dark Archive

You know, you guys should have been around before TSR went mainstream. You were lucky to get a product in the year it was announced and more often than not it just showed up without any announcement that it was going to be released when it finally released. And they almost never talked to anyone from what I remember so intermittent comments from the company is good in my book.


dm4hire wrote:
You were lucky to get a product in the year it was announced and more often than not it just showed up without any announcement that it was going to be released when it finally released. And they almost never talked to anyone from what I remember so intermittent comments from the company is good in my book.

Ah, I remember the 3-6ish month hiatus Dragon took in 1996-7 with absolutely no announcement and no explanation. It rocked. Every month was an adventure as I trudged to the FLGS when I should have been going to classes. Asking if the new Dragon was in, being told it wasn't, and they had no date for when it would return.

Those were dark times. When the magazine finally did return, it was like, "What? Huh? Nothing! Next issue's here!"

-Ben.


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And weeeeeee LIKED it that way!

Shadow Lodge

Any one remember Birthright revised?

Was announced by T$R and pulled 2 weeks from release with no explanation what so ever. Later it was reveled that if I remember right it was because the manuscript was rejected.

How about Rifts Scotland?

It STILL shows up on the schedule for Rifts every now and then as 2 to 3 months out?

However GMS doesn't pull that crap (and according to one RPG supplement he does breath fire by the way). But remember stuff happens out of the deliverers hands. It sounds like this was a bear of a project.

HEY Gareth if your reading this I for one am willing to wait for this book. You do a GREAT job and it's always worth it.MARS for instance is still still one of my all time fav D20 Modern books.

Now back to my original question.

How are you doing PSI?

Liberty's Edge Contributor

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But isn't the issue at hand the fact that people have already paid for the product in question?

Perhaps with the exception of subscriptions for those missing issues of Dungeon and Dragon magazines, TSR and Palladium hadn't collected any money for the products discussed above.


I believe Paris pretty much hit the nail on the head.

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dm4hire wrote:
You know, you guys should have been around before TSR went mainstream. You were lucky to get a product in the year it was announced and more often than not it just showed up without any announcement that it was going to be released when it finally released. And they almost never talked to anyone from what I remember so intermittent comments from the company is good in my book.

You assume I wasn't around then? Not that it's actually relevant or anything.

In case you haven't noticed, things have changed a bit since the eighties.


Paris Crenshaw wrote:

But isn't the issue at hand the fact that people have already paid for the product in question?

Perhaps with the exception of subscriptions for those missing issues of Dungeon and Dragon magazines, TSR and Palladium hadn't collected any money for the products discussed above.

Except unlike other publsihers, Gareth has communicated with customers, and he has offered dissatisfied customers a full refund.


Rite Publishing wrote:

Except unlike other publsihers, Gareth has communicated with customers, and he has offered dissatisfied customers a full refund.

Thank you, Steve.

Now folks, I like a good internet drama dust-up as much as the next guy, but let's keep one thing in mind: I contacted the pre-order customers (the only ones who have "skin in the game", so to speak) and asked them if they were willing to wait, or if they wanted an immediate refund.

Almost unanimously, they gave me the vote of confidence, and said that they're willing to wait.

One person asked for a refund (but said they'd still probably buy when it's released).

...and Wolfthulhu, bizarrely, refused to answer the email at all (in his own words:

Wolfthulhu wrote:
I have chosen not to reply to said email because, despite my misgivings, this is a project I really would like to see make it to print.

...which is really odd, considering I was asking him if he wanted to wait for print, or be refunded. But he's taken this as a license to snark and criticize, and refuse a refund, despite obvious dissatisfaction.

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Rite Publishing wrote:
Except unlike other publsihers, Gareth has communicated with customers, and he has offered dissatisfied customers a full refund.

Except he hasn't really communicated with his customers for some time now. Not since the cover was changed and then changed back. (Which I think was cool of him to do. I had the impression he really liked the second cover, while the fans choose the original. See, I can give credit where due...)

A week later:

Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:

Guys, I WILL PULL THIS FORUM OVER, RIGHT NOW!!!

Seriously, though -- you've got a choice: I can answer questions on this forum, or I can get this sucker through layout and get it out there. I don't really have time to do both.

That's understandable. Even encouraging. Sounds like the book is nearly done.

6 Weeks later...

Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:
Urizen wrote:
Last thing I read was early this morning when Gareth posted on Adamant's Facebook page in response to another individual asking the same question where he hopes to have it knocked out in time before he leaves for GenCon. Please don't take this as the definitive answer, though.

You can take it as definitive.

Here's the short version: Project is cursed.:)

Slightly longer version: I'm busting my ass -- pretty much solo -- to get this done before I head out for GenCon. I'm still dumb enough to be hopeful. :)

If I don't make that deadline, it'll be definite for August, either way.

Ok. Frustrating, but still gets the benefit of the doubt. Sounds like he's really trying.

And three weeks later, a post which seemingly contradicts the 'getting to layout' post.

Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:

I'll be crossposting this here and at RPGNow.

WOTA has had a great many things going wrong -- including multiple freelancers dropping off the project, leaving work incomplete. Adamant's recent cash crunch (as a result of the Border's bankruptcy and my failed "app-pricing" experiment) meant that we weren't able to hire replacements, so I've been trying to get everything done myself, and bluntly, I've been overwhelmed. In the past month, I've had another freelancer (who was handling layout) drop out, and return corrupted files, which is the straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm going to be contacting the pre-order customers and asking if they would like refunds (in which case, if a majority say yes, I give up and just cancel the project), or if they're willing to wait a bit longer (I have an offer from a trusted freelancer to come in and pick up the slack).

I'll keep you updated.

My posts after that were simply trying to figure out the disconnect from what I thought the one post meant and what the second post was certainly saying. Which he still hasn't clarified. Instead he chose to play the victim, focusing on my tone and apparent hostility. Trying to give me a refund I don't want.

Why didn't I answer the email? I didn't want to voice my opinion to back the project because I was PISSED that I had been lied to. Also I figured (correctly) most others would want to go forward, so I didn't think my vote was needed.

Bottom line is, I like post apocalyptic settings and I want this book. That doesn't mean I'm gonna sit by and listen to someone who isn't being forthright. (I did that for most of a year already.)


Wolfthulhu wrote:
And three weeks later, a post which seemingly contradicts the 'getting to layout' post.[

Contradicts it, unless you happen to read what I wrote. Where I say:

"I've had another freelancer (who was handling layout) drop out, and return corrupted files, which is the straw that broke the camel's back."

Freelancer.

Handling LAYOUT.

Returns CORRUPTED FILES.

Which means that it needs to be done again, from scratch.

I've now got somebody who is taking up that effort, and I've also got Lizard (the writer of our d20 MARS setting, among other things) taking the opportunity to tune up some of the things that I had written myself that I'm not 100% happy with.

So yes, things have been delayed. And if by "forthright" you mean "layed out every detail of my business, behind the scenes", then yes -- I suppose I haven't been "forthright." If that's your expectation, however, you're going to be disappointed.

I *have* done, however, what is in my power to do -- fix the problems, and offer to refund anybody who feels that the delay is inexcusable.

Except you, Wolfthulhu -- you prefer to hold a grudge, snark and gripe about your evident dissatisfaction -- not just with the project, but with me, personally -- and bizarrely REFUSE A REFUND.

I leave it to others to determine for themselves if that is reasonable behavior.

I won't be back on this forum. I have work to do. To those who have been reasonable, and even pleasant, I apologize -- but I shouldn't have to put up with this kind of negativity from someone to whom I've already offered a refund. Since he apparently refuses to stop, and *still* refuses a refund, the only solution is to remove myself from the equation.

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