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Liberty's Edge

William Wood wrote:

I love P.A. and have been following this since I first heard about it, BUT with zero previews (at least from what I have seen/heard) and minimal info I'm hesitant to preorder. Even a simple list of some of the races/classes that will be in it would help, that would at least give me a feel for what the game is about. A table of contents? Something...

I agree that Adamant puts out some good stuff, Icons is great, its not that I'm worried the product will be poor, as much as, will the product be what I'm looking for?
Thanks,
W.

That's a valid question. With the lack of information that has been given at this point, there is no real definite idea on where the game is going. But if it scratches my GW4E itch, it'll be the right spot for me.


Could you please give us an update on the ETA of this book.
I have players bugging me every day for news and I have none to give them.
thanks

FW

Sovereign Court

That would be very helpful as I also have folks asking about this.

Sczarni

I was curious about this very thing myself, so I shot the peeps @ Adamant a quick email.

Responding super fast (and on a Saturday, nonetheless), they had this to say:

Guys from Adamant Publishing wrote:

Thanks for dropping us a line.

WOTA has had a slight delay (we decided not to rush the release, in order to make sure we release the best quality game we can). The game has been delayed about a month -- it'll be released in January.

-Gareth-Michael Skarka
Adamant Entertainment

so, looks like another few weeks for us true believers! :D

Dark Archive

Looks like I get it for my birthday.


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I emailed Adamant Entertainment to get an update on WOTA and received this response:

"PDF and print to pre-order customers will be in January. The book will be released commercially in February."


Finally I can play Ookla the Mok.


I realize Avalon != Adamant, but after the craziness I just got after picking up Infinite Futures, I think I'll be waiting on a review or a very solid preview of this prior to picking it up. The delays and lack of response here have me skittish.

-Ben.

Scarab Sages

terraleon wrote:

I realize Avalon != Adamant, but after the craziness I just got after picking up Infinite Futures, I think I'll be waiting on a review or a very solid preview of this prior to picking it up. The delays and lack of response here have me skittish.

-Ben.

This is the second item I have preordered from Adamant and its the second one delayed. Nevertheless, I trust these guys to produce a good product, which is why I preordered. Their webpage now shows a January release date for this, so hopefully any day now we can at least see the PDF.


Wicht wrote:
terraleon wrote:

I realize Avalon != Adamant, but after the craziness I just got after picking up Infinite Futures, I think I'll be waiting on a review or a very solid preview of this prior to picking it up. The delays and lack of response here have me skittish.

-Ben.

This is the second item I have preordered from Adamant and its the second one delayed. Nevertheless, I trust these guys to produce a good product, which is why I preordered. Their webpage now shows a January release date for this, so hopefully any day now we can at least see the PDF.

Yeah, I bit the bullet and pre-ordered the other day. It's also the second product I've pre-ordered (the first being the Tome of Secrets). I think a lot of this has to do with trying to find something part and parcel to compare in creating a base chassis for a potential sci-fi fantasy system that's PF compatible. I'm still mourning the fact that the P20 Modern proposed by SGG came nowhere near its pledge goal (although I did thought from the get go the amount was a bit ambitious).


After contacting the folks at Adamant, they let me know that the book should be released in February. Delaying release by two months to insure a quality product is worth it.

I used to play Rolemaster in the 90's, and when I.C.E. gave a release date, we discovered that it was always 6+ months behind!

Like Urizen, I'm looking for a sci-fi game that's PF compatible. WOTA seems to be the closest, especially considering the negative reviews of IF.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Paul Ryan wrote:
FrankWiccan wrote:
I would also like to know if my pre order at Paizo will give me the pdf and bonus adventure
Likewise. That the question has been asked and still not answered in two separate threads about this product is making me a little worried though.
Yeah that's why i have not preordered yet. Not knowing the answer of the question is keeping me from pulling the trigger on this product so to speak. Hopefully someone eventually lets us know.

The folks at Adamant said that the pre-order special is only through their site. There are technical reasons behind it (it would require sharing sales data between said companies, or something of that nature).

However, I'm sure that the PDF will be available from Paizo in February (probably when the they have the physical books for sale).

Scarab Sages

Weren Wu Jen wrote:
After contacting the folks at Adamant, they let me know that the book should be released in February. Delaying release by two months to insure a quality product is worth it.

If the delay makes the book better I'm willing to put up with it. (Or, if like with Warpath its due to outside complications, I also don't mind.) Truthfully though, I much prefer companies to be on schedule. :)


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Weren Wu Jen wrote:


The folks at Adamant said that the pre-order special is only through their site. There are technical reasons behind it (it would require sharing sales data between said companies, or something of that nature).

*makes note to avoid Adamant in future*

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Weren Wu Jen wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Paul Ryan wrote:
FrankWiccan wrote:
I would also like to know if my pre order at Paizo will give me the pdf and bonus adventure
Likewise. That the question has been asked and still not answered in two separate threads about this product is making me a little worried though.
Yeah that's why i have not preordered yet. Not knowing the answer of the question is keeping me from pulling the trigger on this product so to speak. Hopefully someone eventually lets us know.

The folks at Adamant said that the pre-order special is only through their site. There are technical reasons behind it (it would require sharing sales data between said companies, or something of that nature).

However, I'm sure that the PDF will be available from Paizo in February (probably when the they have the physical books for sale).

Yeah that's kinda what I thought but wasn't sure. I prefer to order thru Paizo but would rather have the bundle deal. That was the big reason i was waiting.

I feel for you Paul, but this is why I was waiting myself to find out for sure.


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Dark_Mistress wrote:


I feel for you Paul, but this is why I was waiting myself to find out for sure.

Each to their own. Given what I'd consider Adamant's bad faith dealings over the whole pre-order issue, I'm just going to avoid buying anything from them in the future. Plenty of other companies doing good quality material who can benefit from my money.


I'd still just like to see something more about the product. A snippet of the interior artwork (the cover art doesn't work for me), a bit on the player races, etc. something more...


Preordered from Adamant as I've enjoyed their products so far.

I had no problem understanding their site preorder exclusivity.

Looking forward to it.

Liberty's Edge

Paul Ryan wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:


I feel for you Paul, but this is why I was waiting myself to find out for sure.
Each to their own. Given what I'd consider Adamant's bad faith dealings over the whole pre-order issue, I'm just going to avoid buying anything from them in the future. Plenty of other companies doing good quality material who can benefit from my money.

I'm kind of curious what the "bad faith dealings" that you mention are. Delayed release date? I don't consider that a bad faith dealing. If you are talking specifically about you can't buy it from Paizo and get the bundle, that's kind of hard to justify as slanderously as "bad faith dealings".


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Imaginos wrote:

I'm kind of curious what the "bad faith dealings" that you mention are. Delayed release date? I don't consider that a bad faith dealing. If you are talking specifically about you can't buy it from Paizo and get the bundle, that's kind of hard to justify as slanderously as "bad faith dealings".

It's a combination of factors.

1) Read the first post in this thread. Then find where it explains that it is an exclusive offer to Adamant pre-orders. If you can find it, you're doing better than me. Or others, which is why there are posts in this thread asking for clarification.

I went ahead and pre-ordered from Paizo on the basis of that pre-order offer because it was more convenient to me with international shipping. If it had been made clear that it was an exclusive offer I would have pre-ordered through Adamant instead.

2) Mr Sharka has been posing and answering questions in this thread. He has posted several times subsequent to the requests for clarification of the pre-order exclusiveness. I find it very difficult to believe that he somehow failed to notice the posts asking for clarification about pre-orders while still answering other questions and comments posted in the thread.

To date he has not responded to the issue here at all.

3) We have found out that the pre-order is exclusive through someone else's post. We still have no direct word from Adamant, despite Mr Sharka's participation in this thread.

The initial post lacking the information that it was intended to be an exclusive offer could be explained as an accident. However the subsequent lack of clarification is a lot harder to explain. It is Mr Sharka's subsequent apparent evasion of the issue that leaves me feeling Adamant has not acted in good faith, and why I no longer intend to do business with them in future.


Paul Ryan wrote:

I went ahead and pre-ordered from Paizo...

If it had been made clear that it was an exclusive offer I would have pre-ordered through Adamant instead.
...I find it very difficult to believe that he somehow failed to notice the posts asking for clarification about pre-orders while still answering other questions and comments posted in the thread.

___________________________________________________________________

I made the same mistake. I assumed the bundle was included if I ordered from this website. That is what the first post on this thread says, after all.

I was even asking questions on Adamant's official blog:
___________________________________________________________________
Tim Schaefer says:
December 11, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Any previews or updates? Will it be out in time for Christmas?
I haven’t been this excited about a game for a long time!

Tim Schaefer says:
December 21, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Hello. Is this thing on?
Any update on this product I’ve already bought?
Any acknowledgment at all would be nice.

GMSkarka says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:29 pm
We’re expecting that it will release in January (lots of delays on this end).
____________________________________________________________________

Took them ten days to respond.
I am honestly looking forward to the book, but so far I am not satisfied with the customer service.

Sovereign Court

Anyone hear any more on this? January is coming to a close real fast!


Nada. Hasn't even commented on my inquiry on his Adamant FB wall.

Grand Lodge

I sent an email to adamant last night and just got this.

The PDF should be sent to pre-order customers in late February, with the book hitting stores (and being sent to pre-order customers) in March.

-G

I think it suks, but I hope the wait is worth it.

Sovereign Court

Well they did say it should be ready in November when I pre-ordered back in October... I just didn't realize they meant November 2011.


angry scotsman wrote:

I sent an email to adamant last night and just got this.

"The PDF should be sent to pre-order customers in late February, with the book hitting stores (and being sent to pre-order customers) in March."

I deem that awesome.

No TOC, no preview, poor communication-- no reappearance here to talk to the people who're looking for updates. It bodes poorly.

Yeah, I was fairly sure before, and now I know I'll be waiting for a review on this one.

-Ben.


The Cubicle-7 web store currently lists the pre-order with a June 2011 expected date so I guess we'll see. Saddly I've kinda lost the Post Apocolyptic bug and have moved on to a Sci-Fi and spaces ships bug. I had high hopes and it may still be a cool setting. Just not sure I'll be picking it up.


Sorry about the absence, folks. We've had a bumpy half-year or so.

WARLORDS OF THE APOCALYPSE was caught up in that. We had some behind-the-scenes issues that needed resolving, and some stuff that needed to be worked out with our print partners at Cubicle 7. Most of that has been taken care of, and we're moving forward again.

We're telling the stores and distributors that it will be released in June, but it should be out before then. I'm expecting it to go to print (and to pre-order customers) in March.

We'll be continuing to take pre-orders via our website only until the end of February.


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About what I expected to see. Posting platitudes without addressing any of the issues raised in this thread isn't doing anything to change my mind about future purchases from your company.


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Paul Ryan wrote:
About what I expected to see. Posting platitudes without addressing any of the issues raised in this thread isn't doing anything to change my mind about future purchases from your company.

I don't see how that post was necessary.

Make a new thread called "My hard on for Adamant" or something.

Or maybe even "Patience and you: The internet marketplace" or "Read before you buy" or "Why I think it's the company's fault when I spend money without having all the necessary information".

I'm still looking forward to seeing this book.
Get offa my cloud.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
Paul Ryan wrote:
About what I expected to see. Posting platitudes without addressing any of the issues raised in this thread isn't doing anything to change my mind about future purchases from your company.

I don't see how that post was necessary.

Make a new thread called "My hard on for Adamant" or something.

Sorry. I'm not sexually attracted to abstract business entities.

I'm not interested in pointless behaviour like chasing around every post about Adamant, making snarky comments in each, or starting more threads to do the same.

Given that my issues are based entirely around the original post in this thread and Mr Skarka's subsequent response (or rather lack thereoff) I believe this is exactly the correct place to post.

Quote:
Or maybe even "Patience and you: The internet marketplace" or "Read before you buy" or "Why I think it's the company's fault when I spend money without having all the necessary information".

Please point out where in the original post in this thread, by Mr Skarka himself, there is any explanation that the pre-order is exclusive.

Then ask yourself whether misleading advertising is actually legal where you are.

If Mr Skarka had made a clarification that there was a mistake made, when actually asked twice in this thread, while he was still making subsequent posts responding to other points, I'd have accepted that explanation.

To date he has failed to do so. That, at least to my mind, edges his behaviour out of the 'good-faith, but mistakes happen' classification into 'misleading' or 'don't want to admit any problems'.

Quote:

I'm still looking forward to seeing this book.

Get offa my cloud.

You have exactly as much right to post in support of Adamant as I do to express a complaint if I have one.


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Paul Ryan wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
Paul Ryan wrote:
About what I expected to see. Posting platitudes without addressing any of the issues raised in this thread isn't doing anything to change my mind about future purchases from your company.

I don't see how that post was necessary.

Make a new thread called "My hard on for Adamant" or something.

Sorry. I'm not sexually attracted to abstract business entities.

I'm not interested in pointless behaviour like chasing around every post about Adamant, making snarky comments in each, or starting more threads to do the same.

Given that my issues are based entirely around the original post in this thread and Mr Skarka's subsequent response (or rather lack thereoff) I believe this is exactly the correct place to post.

Quote:
Or maybe even "Patience and you: The internet marketplace" or "Read before you buy" or "Why I think it's the company's fault when I spend money without having all the necessary information".

Please point out where in the original post in this thread, by Mr Skarka himself, there is any explanation that the pre-order is exclusive.

Then ask yourself whether misleading advertising is actually legal where you are.

If Mr Skarka had made a clarification that there was a mistake made, when actually asked twice in this thread, while he was still making subsequent posts responding to other points, I'd have accepted that explanation.

To date he has failed to do so. That, at least to my mind, edges his behaviour out of the 'good-faith, but mistakes happen' classification into 'misleading' or 'don't want to admit any problems'.

Quote:

I'm still looking forward to seeing this book.

Get offa my cloud.
You have exactly as much right to post in support of Adamant as I do to express a complaint if I have one.

Meh hate on them all you want...the most glaring response in the thread so far was from Dark Mistress who said "...that's why I waited to pre-order" or something along those lines. Was there a time limit on the pre-order, beyond the day of release? Nope. Did you need to do so the day this thread was started? Nope. Could you have waited? Yep.

I haven't pre-ordered, I'm waiting for a review first. But, if I had, I'd've made sure before spending a cent that I was doing it in the right place (if the PDF meant that much to me).
This isn't a case of false advertising, its a case of false assumptions married with a lack of patience.
IMO, you have no one to blame but yourself.


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I think we're talking past each other.

For what it's worth, I'm mildly annoyed about the pre-order. It isn't a huge issue in itself though.

What makes me angry is the lack of response and clarification from Mr Skarka when people did actually ask him about it.

Scarab Sages

Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:

Sorry about the absence, folks. We've had a bumpy half-year or so.

WARLORDS OF THE APOCALYPSE was caught up in that. We had some behind-the-scenes issues that needed resolving, and some stuff that needed to be worked out with our print partners at Cubicle 7. Most of that has been taken care of, and we're moving forward again.

We're telling the stores and distributors that it will be released in June, but it should be out before then. I'm expecting it to go to print (and to pre-order customers) in March.

We'll be continuing to take pre-orders via our website only until the end of February.

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Thanks much for the update.

Dark Archive

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Hey Gareth,

I'm very keen to check out this product - it sounds cool!

Beyond Thundarr the Barbarian, I would also recommend looking at Sterling Lanier's novels Heiro's Journey (1973) and the The Unforsaken Heiro (1983). Not only was the original novel an influence on the early design of D&D (especially the 1st edition psionics system), it was also a HUGE influence on the original edition of Gamma World.


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Paul Ryan wrote:

I think we're talking past each other.

For what it's worth, I'm mildly annoyed about the pre-order. It isn't a huge issue in itself though.

What makes me angry is the lack of response and clarification from Mr Skarka when people did actually ask him about it.

This is going to sound way more snarky than I intend it too, but you're waiting for a "I'm sorry, but while we could have been more clear, you should have waited" response?


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Kryzbyn wrote:
This is going to sound way more snarky than I intend it too, but you're waiting for a "I'm sorry, but while we could have been more clear, you should have waited" response?

No offense taken. I can't think of a better way to phrase the question.

I don't even expect an apology, not when it's possible any sort of too clear admission of error could potentially have legal consequences. (I'm not saying I think that's likely, but there are a lot of stories about seemingly spurious litigation that come out of the US...)

What I'd like is just some sort of honest acknowledgment that people have had genuine issues with Adamant's communications, and a clear resolution to try and do better in the future.

It's been more than three months since people started asking about the pre-order issue. There are also two other separate issues about their responsiveness raised by other people in this thread. One was answered eventually and the complaint here was about how long it took to get a response, the other query hasn't been answered where asked, on Adamant's own Facebook discussion.

My response to Mr Skarka today may have been too sharp, but to me it looked like he just wandered past the thread, posted a stock update, and either didn't read or ignored the complaints people had expressed.


Having pre-ordered the product, I agree with Paul. Gareth should have taken the responsibility of informing about the delay in product being released. I have also posted a query to his FB wall on January 5th without nary a response.

I'm used to product delays. Paizo has it happen all the time. But at least in Paizo's defense, they don't charge us until the product is ready to be shipped based on what we've subscribed.

I didn't even order until the beginning of last month already knowing that the initial release date was postponed. I was hedging my bet thinking that my money would have been tied up for a short while.

The main reason I ordered was that I wanted the book+PDF bundle and exclusive adventure.

Honestly, if I had known if was going to be delayed and the pre-order was still available, I would have waited until May to purchase.

At this point, I'll simply be pragmatic about his anticipated new release date being sooner than the published one.


Paul Ryan wrote:
My response to Mr Skarka today may have been too sharp, but to me it looked like he just wandered past the thread, posted a stock update, and either didn't read or ignored the complaints people had expressed.

Several of us alerted to him about this thread from another thread he just started up on a separate product that was released.


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Urizen wrote:


Several of us alerted to him about this thread from another thread he just started up on a separate product that was released.

Thank you for you and Kthulhu for pointing Mr Skarka here. Unfortunately what he actually posted was another example of the complaints I have with how he has handled the PR on this release.

I would have hoped that he'd read and at least acknowledge the concerns you said were here instead of just posting a PRspeak release without apparently paying attention to the issues raised, especially when he was coming to this thread only after he was told that there were concerns raised here.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
Paul Ryan wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
Paul Ryan wrote:
About what I expected to see. Posting platitudes without addressing any of the issues raised in this thread isn't doing anything to change my mind about future purchases from your company.

I don't see how that post was necessary.

Make a new thread called "My hard on for Adamant" or something.

Sorry. I'm not sexually attracted to abstract business entities.

I'm not interested in pointless behaviour like chasing around every post about Adamant, making snarky comments in each, or starting more threads to do the same.

Given that my issues are based entirely around the original post in this thread and Mr Skarka's subsequent response (or rather lack thereoff) I believe this is exactly the correct place to post.

Quote:
Or maybe even "Patience and you: The internet marketplace" or "Read before you buy" or "Why I think it's the company's fault when I spend money without having all the necessary information".

Please point out where in the original post in this thread, by Mr Skarka himself, there is any explanation that the pre-order is exclusive.

Then ask yourself whether misleading advertising is actually legal where you are.

If Mr Skarka had made a clarification that there was a mistake made, when actually asked twice in this thread, while he was still making subsequent posts responding to other points, I'd have accepted that explanation.

To date he has failed to do so. That, at least to my mind, edges his behaviour out of the 'good-faith, but mistakes happen' classification into 'misleading' or 'don't want to admit any problems'.

Quote:

I'm still looking forward to seeing this book.

Get offa my cloud.
You have exactly as much right to post in support of Adamant as I do to express a complaint if I have one.

Meh hate on them all you want...the most glaring response in the thread so far was from Dark Mistress who said "...that's why I waited to pre-order" or something along those lines. Was there a time limit on the pre-order, beyond the day of release? Nope. Did you need to do so the day this thread was started? Nope. Could you have waited? Yep.

I haven't pre-ordered, I'm waiting for a review first. But, if I had, I'd've made sure before spending a cent that I was doing it in the right place (if the PDF meant that much to me).
This isn't a case of false advertising, its a case of false assumptions married with a lack of patience.
IMO, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I would like to add a comment about this. While yes Paul did not wait and technically yes that's is his fault. But he also has a point. It was asked in this thread while the company was responding to it about preorders. With out them saying no, no free PDF here, it makes it seem like that is a defacto yes. So if I had done what Paul did and I almost did, i would be pretty pissed about it too.

It really should have been addressed at the time and if honestly missed, then a apology made for missing it. That's just good business practice and good business sense. Will this stop me from buying their stuff? Personally no, cause i waited, mostly cause I kinda felt it might be a company only deal. On the other hand I was a lot more pumped about this product before and had more spare cash. Had I gotten my answer about the free PDF preorder. I would have likely gone and preordered from their site. Now due to RL I can't, so this has turned into a product I will pickup some day, instead of a preorder product.

Yes if you haven't guessed I am mildly annoyed my question I asked back in Oct, both here in this thread and the paizo product thread was never answered by the company. Few things put me off to a company that lack of communication. But as I said, it won't stop me from buying their stuff, yet anyways. It is a mark against them in my mind.


A few things:

1) I came to the thread when it was suggested that I repeat the info I had posted in the "We're Baaaaack!" thread. I had assumed that a catch-all new thread (given the long absence) was sufficient. Given the heads-up that I got from Kthulhu, I decided to go ahead and repeat the info. It was not "PRspeak", just an explanation with as much public info as I could divulge.

2)Paul -you'll forgive me if I don't understand what you're so irritated about since you have not pre-ordered, and so have no skin the game, so to speak. It seems really, REALLY odd to be demanding mea culpas and pledges of future improvement, when you haven't been affected at all.... could be construed as trolling, in fact.

3) Urizen -- I checked on Adamant's FB page, and couldn't find any post from you. I only just now (by following Paul's link, above) found it on the Discussions page -- which I didn't even know we had, to be completely honest. I'll be better about checking there, and I apologize for missing it.

I will be happy to respond to any other questions that people have.


Wicht wrote:
Sorry to hear of your troubles. Thanks much for the update.

Thank you very much. We're glad to be moving again.


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Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:
2)Paul -you'll forgive me if I don't understand what you're so irritated about since you have not pre-ordered, and so have no skin the game, so to speak. It seems really, REALLY odd to be demanding mea culpas and pledges of future improvement, when you haven't been affected at all.... could be construed as trolling, in fact.

Before making accusations of trolling, I suggest you take the time to read the thread a little more closely. I pre-ordered through Paizo, something I noted several times.

While it isn't their policy to charge for pre-orders ahead of time, I do have a certain stake in this matter, in that I have entered into a contract with them to purchase your product.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
If someone preorders form Paizo do they get the free PDF as well or is that only on your site?

They're not the same "pre-order", actually -- Paizo is taking pre-orders for books that they're ordering through distribution (like any other game store), but our site is a pre-order direct from us that gets shipped out to pre-order customers at the same time the books get shipped TO the distributors (and our pre-order customers get a PDF when we sent the files to the printer for production).

If Paizo wants to offer a complimentary PDF with pre-order, we're fine with that, but it's their decision (as it's their store).

Customers who pre-order through us get the PDF when it goes to the printer, and the books when they leave our warehouse. Customers who pre-order through other stores will get their books after they've gone from our warehouse to the distributors, and from the distributors to the store. The PDF will be commercially available then, as well.


Paul Ryan wrote:


Before making accusations of trolling, I suggest you take the time to read the thread a little more closely. I pre-ordered through Paizo, something I noted several times.

I sincerely apologize, due to the quoting in Dark_Mistress' post, I misread Kryzbyn's statement ("I haven't pre-ordered, I'm waiting for a review first.") as written by you. Again, very sorry about that.

Paul Ryan wrote:


While it isn't their policy to charge for pre-orders ahead of time, I do have a certain stake in this matter, in that I have entered into a contract with them to purchase your product.

I hope that my above response to Dark_Mistress has cleared up the relationship to Paizo's pre-order and the actual pre-order that we're doing.


Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:
3) Urizen -- I checked on Adamant's FB page, and couldn't find any post from you. I only just now (by following Paul's link, above) found it on the Discussions page -- which I didn't even know we had, to be completely honest. I'll be better about checking there, and I apologize for missing it.

Mine wasn't in the discussions page. Mine was on your wall using my RL name. Stamped January 5th at 4:30pm. Wicht liked it (to keep track to see if I received a response). Looking at it right now. Selecting to view under JUST OTHERS, fourth one down.

I'd figure that any posts to one's wall would trigger notifications.

EDIT: While you're looking, there's separate individuals asking for the status updates on the Villainomicon and The Tales of New Cobuzon rpg.

;-)

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Gareth-Michael Skarka wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
If someone preorders form Paizo do they get the free PDF as well or is that only on your site?

They're not the same "pre-order", actually -- Paizo is taking pre-orders for books that they're ordering through distribution (like any other game store), but our site is a pre-order direct from us that gets shipped out to pre-order customers at the same time the books get shipped TO the distributors (and our pre-order customers get a PDF when we sent the files to the printer for production).

If Paizo wants to offer a complimentary PDF with pre-order, we're fine with that, but it's their decision (as it's their store).

Customers who pre-order through us get the PDF when it goes to the printer, and the books when they leave our warehouse. Customers who pre-order through other stores will get their books after they've gone from our warehouse to the distributors, and from the distributors to the store. The PDF will be commercially available then, as well.

I am willing to chalk this up to a misunderstanding. I still plan to get this, just not anytime real soon due to RL now. Just wish I had for sure known this in Oct. I would have preorder then. I like to support paizo so i always order from them if given a choice. That's why i was waiting.

Scarab Sages

Urizen wrote:

I'd figure that any posts to one's wall would trigger notifications.

To be fair (as someone who maintains a couple of facebook pages myself) Facebook offers the default viewing of a "Wall" as contributor only. One must manually click the option to view the posts from people outside those with administrative access to the page. And when other people post to the wall of a company or artists, the owner is not notified (a gripe of mine is that I'm not even notified when there are comments in posts I have made on my author's page).

Edit: Heh. writing this made me realize I haven't checked my own pagesa at all for comments for a week. :/


Wicht wrote:
Urizen wrote:

I'd figure that any posts to one's wall would trigger notifications.

To be fair (as someone who maintains a couple of facebook pages myself) Facebook offers the default viewing of a "Wall" as contributor only. One must manually click the option to view the posts from people outside those with administrative access to the page. And when other people post to the wall of a company or artists, the owner is not notified (a gripe of mine is that I'm not even notified when there are comments in posts I have made on my author's page).

Edit: Heh. writing this made me realize I haven't checked my own pagesa at all for comments for a week. :/

I'll concede to that, but I'm hinging on a premise that Gareth might have been the contributor and/or may be the sole / primary admin for his company's fan page. I have a couple of pages where I administer and some of those I have been the contributor, so I understand where you're coming from esp. when there's more than one administrator and whomever gets the notification first.

And yeah, you SHOULD be checking out your page. Did you see the unholy hell I raised on there? :P

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