Effects definition needed, not spell effects?


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Shadow Lodge

I can find spell effects, where is it where it describes effects in general? I wish to find the definition of effects not just spell effects. On page 199, the second paragraph from the left it says, "Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects." Where is the definition of this word, effects?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

ShadowDax wrote:
I can find spell effects, where is it where it describes effects in general? I wish to find the definition of effects not just spell effects. On page 199, the second paragraph from the left it says, "Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects." Where is the definition of this word, effects?

Effect = anything that someone makes happen. It doesn't have a definition because it already has one in the dictionary.

The bit on page 199 basically uses the word "effects" rather than attempting an exhaustive list of things that could give you bonuses to attack rolls, which could include class abilities, racial abilities, character traits, ad-hoc bonuses given you by the GM, Aid Another bonuses, bonuses from magic items, bonuses from the terrain or weather, and so on and so on.

Basically, if something gives you a bonus (or a penalty) to an attack roll, you get to add that to your CMB—provided those bonuses apply to the move you're trying to pull off.

Shadow Lodge

I'll take your advice, as far as I know you can not effect a swarm with any effect. Does that mean swarms always get healed since you can not target them with effects? Using channeling to heal and not be able to select them with selective healing since they can not be affected by effects? Which means they always get healed as long as the Channeler is within 30 feet.

The Exchange

ShadowDax wrote:
I'll take your advice, as far as I know you can not effect a swarm with any effect. Does that mean swarms always get healed since you can not target them with effects? Using channeling to heal and not be able to select them with selective healing since they can not be affected by effects? Which means they always get healed as long as the Channeler is within 30 feet.

I am not sure I follow.

Selective Channeling is not an effect, it is an ability that gives the Cleric targeting priority. In essence Selective Channeling is the operational opposite of James' definition; the cleric is allowed to choose who is not affected by their effect. They are in essence not doing something.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

ShadowDax wrote:
I'll take your advice, as far as I know you can not effect a swarm with any effect. Does that mean swarms always get healed since you can not target them with effects? Using channeling to heal and not be able to select them with selective healing since they can not be affected by effects? Which means they always get healed as long as the Channeler is within 30 feet.

A swarm is generally treated as a single monster for the purposes of area effects. It counts as one creature for the purposes of targeting it (or excluding it) from a cleric's channel energy.

Shadow Lodge

PirateDevon wrote:


I am not sure I follow.

Selective Channeling is not an effect, it is an ability that gives the Cleric targeting priority. In essence Selective Channeling is the operational opposite of James' definition; the cleric is allowed to choose who is not affected by their effect. They are in essence not doing something.

You and James both have answered my question. Where I'm coming from is on Page 313, in the Bestiary it says on the second from the last paragraph on the left side of the page, "A swarm is immune to any spell or effect that targets a specific number of creatures..."

I'm supposing that a Paladin's smite evil can not target an evil swarm. I know of no other evil swarms than the 3.5 old version. In one of the season 0 mods there was an evil swarm at the apl I was playing at. The DM said that we could not target it with effects such as Selective Channeling.

This might be powerful enough to include feats. I don't know which ones, it might be powerful enough to include character abilities such as smite evil if the swarm is evil.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Channeling is an area effect, though. Being able to exclude or include creatures does not change that.

Shadow Lodge

What the DM did was allow the Channeling to affect the swarm, but the player couldn't stop healing it with Selective Channeling. The DM ruled that you cannot affect a swarm with this effect of Selective Channeling; hence, the problem was not to heal or heal everybody. I'll go along with your earlier suggestion that Selective Channeling more or less affects the Channeler. Not the creature being healed. Thanks for your answers.

Grand Lodge

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Effect = anything that someone makes happen. It doesn't have a definition because it already has one in the dictionary.

The bit on page 199 basically uses the word "effects" rather than attempting an exhaustive list of things that could give you bonuses to attack rolls, which could include class abilities, racial abilities, character traits, ad-hoc bonuses given you by the GM, Aid Another bonuses, bonuses from magic items, bonuses from the terrain or weather, and so on and so on.

Basically, if something gives you a bonus (or a penalty) to an attack roll, you get to add that to your CMB—provided those bonuses apply to the move you're trying to pull off.

A question on Orc blood and elf blood and "effect"

In the pathfinder society list of things that are legal and not legal for the advanced races guide it states.

Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed).

Are Half-elf and half-Orc allowed to take human and elf/Orc archetypes/feats (excluding Orc as they are not legal) due to the elf blood or Orc blood traits?

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