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4e conversion?


Kingmaker


The Kingmaker AP sounds interesting; reminding me of old adventures like Test of the Warlords.

The group I'm playing with is using 4th edition, and I was wondering how easy Kingmaker would be to convert.

How much of KM uses Pathfinder/3.5 specific stuff?

I suppose the higher level adventures will be more specific; should I wait until the whole campaign is out before considering this?

Geoff.


It is quite specific, and converting it is a lot of work. I have until now converted Kingmaker 1, Parts 1-4, and am working on part 5 (the kobolds) and part 6 (the Stag Lords Fortress). However, making it somewhat balanced,creating the right creatures etc is quite some work, but made easier by the "Adventure Tools"

Also I have converted the adventure using a level adjustment 1.5 (Thus making it 1-5/6 instead of 1-3/4) as this seems more appropriate with the level 30 cap for 4E and the monster levels in 4E.


I agree with Berhagen, the conversion took some time, but the "Adventure Tools" helped alot.

I have converted all of Kingmaker #1 now. My players are now fighting the Stag Lord in the final encounter. Thus far, all my conversions have made balanced/exciting encounters.

Feel free to P.M. me and I'd be happy to share everything I've made so far.


Same here..... although the Tatzlwyrm level 6 Elite random encounter was a bit of a challenge for my level 1 heroes..........


I was worried about higher-level stuff such as plots based around specific spells (such as scry/teleport tactics); if the low-level stuff is problematic, that's really bad news.

Geoff.


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I wouldn't say that the low level stuff is problematic, it works fine. Also, Rituals seem to be a fine replacement for the Pathfinder spells.
It is just that Kingmaker is a pathfinder campaign, with pathfinder creatures/monsters, lots and lots of NPC’s and a different treasure system. This means that you have to create new encounters, almost all monsters you have to build yourself, and then develop all the treasure parcels etc.

I found creating creatures a lot of fun, and you can make good representations of the Pathfinder monsters, and I have found that the 4E versions of monsters play far more fluidly. (Which is for me the main selling point for 4E anyway: the DM friendly system). However, it is a lot of work.

If you are interested, I have for parts 1-4 of “Stolen Land” a document prepared with encounters, creatures and treasure, which is in a “ready to use” format, and doesn’t contain anything that I think would be construed as problematic for sharing by the Paizo folks. (It is just 4E versions of the encounters and monsters, without text from the AP itself, outside the “headers” of areas and encounters).


I'd like to have a look at your conversion notes (both Berhagen and Banesfinger). How do you PM someone?

Geoff.


You can find my conversion here:

4E Kingmaker.


Banesfinger wrote:

I agree with Berhagen, the conversion took some time, but the "Adventure Tools" helped alot.

I have converted all of Kingmaker #1 now. My players are now fighting the Stag Lord in the final encounter. Thus far, all my conversions have made balanced/exciting encounters.

Feel free to P.M. me and I'd be happy to share everything I've made so far.

I too would be interested in seeing your conversion.


Berhagen wrote:

You can find my conversion here:

4E Kingmaker.

Thank you I know that I will be using some of this for our game.


Berhagen and Banesfinger in your profiles seems impossible to contact you by PM
It would be cool if you can pass your AT files to put in mine ;)

Could you help me? It Will be GREAT!

thanks and regards

skrondo


skrondo wrote:

Berhagen and Banesfinger in your profiles seems impossible to contact you by PM

It would be cool if you can pass your AT files to put in mine ;)

Could you help me? It Will be GREAT!

thanks and regards

skrondo

I am in the same boat. I would be very grateful if you could pass them along to me also.

Thank you


skrondo wrote:
Berhagen and Banesfinger...it would be cool if you can pass your AT files to put in mine.

I'm not sure if it is against this forum's rules to leave e-mail addresses in a post?

If not, skrondo, z28camero90, (and anyone else) just mention your e-mail address in this thread and I'll e-mail you my conversion.

I have:
- MS Word Document 1: a quick blurb on 4e races & gods, using skill challenges for exploring, and 4e conversion of the random encounter table.

- MS Word Document 2: conversion of encounter areas.

By far, the most difficult conversions have been the fairie races (e.g. Nixies, Grigs, etc) as 4e doesn't seem to have ANY monsters that remotely resemble these (yet...).


Banesfinger wrote:
skrondo wrote:
Berhagen and Banesfinger...it would be cool if you can pass your AT files to put in mine.

I'm not sure if it is against this forum's rules to leave e-mail addresses in a post?

If not, skrondo, z28camero90, (and anyone else) just mention your e-mail address in this thread and I'll e-mail you my conversion.

I have:
- MS Word Document 1: a quick blurb on 4e races & gods, using skill challenges for exploring, and 4e conversion of the random encounter table.

- MS Word Document 2: conversion of encounter areas.

oh thanks!

well I don't know if is possible to leave a public email
but if you are smart: my gmail adress is

zoltar55

simple uh? :)

THANKS!


zoltar zoltar wrote:

well I don't know if is possible to leave a public email

but if you are smart: my gmail adress is

zoltar55

Documents sent. Enjoy.


Banesfinger wrote:
zoltar zoltar wrote:

well I don't know if is possible to leave a public email

but if you are smart: my gmail adress is

zoltar55

Documents sent. Enjoy.

z28camaro90@hotmail.com Thank you


z28camaro90 wrote:
z28camaro90@hotmail.com Thank you

Docs sent to you as well. Enjoy.


I am now converting the 2nd adventure (River Runs Red).

Any suggestions on how to handle "Charm Person" in 4e?
Encounters like: The Grove of Tiressia, and A Delicate Situation, use this spell.

Unfortunately, there is no direct conversion of this low-level spell into 4e. Most of the 4e applications of charm powers last only a few rounds (save ends) and don't have the 1 hour/lvl duration needed to duplicate these encounters.


She has a nice Ritual?


Berhagen wrote:
She has a nice Ritual?

After an exhaustive search of the 4e compendium (i.e.; charm, dominate, sleep, etc)...I haven't found any rituals like this...?


So? You are the GM, you can make it up......... additionally, 4E assumes that these types of abilities aren't handled by the (combat focused) statblocks.....


Banesfinger wrote:
skrondo wrote:
Berhagen and Banesfinger...it would be cool if you can pass your AT files to put in mine.

I'm not sure if it is against this forum's rules to leave e-mail addresses in a post?

If not, skrondo, z28camero90, (and anyone else) just mention your e-mail address in this thread and I'll e-mail you my conversion.

As much as I hate to resurrect an archived thread I am planning on starting up a 4e conversion of Kingmaker and did not see a more recent thread on the topic.

Are you still running Kingmaker as 4e, or did you end up switching to Savage Worlds? Regardless I would like a copy of your conversion notes if possible. My email account is the same as my username at gmail.

Thanks.


Banesfinger wrote:
Berhagen wrote:
She has a nice Ritual?
After an exhaustive search of the 4e compendium (i.e.; charm, dominate, sleep, etc)...I haven't found any rituals like this...?

The Succubus has a similar Power that can be sustained indefinitely (her charming kiss ability). It's not exactly what you're looking for, but it illustrates that certain monsters have unusual and powerful Powers. I'm with Berhagen, just make it up and say that they can do that sort of thing. Most players won't even question it. Most.


Banesfinger wrote:
z28camaro90 wrote:
z28camaro90@hotmail.com Thank you
Docs sent to you as well. Enjoy.

If you are still working on this it would be a great read for me to check out. My new group just "volunteered" me to DM but they only play 4E :(

I ran this game a little while back but only made it through the first book. Any help in converting this or other Pathfinder campaigns would help so much. Thank you.

gmail : skelly013


Yes yes I too would be interested in your document particulary your part 1 : namely exploring as a skill challenge.

Mythknight wrote:
Banesfinger wrote:
z28camaro90 wrote:
z28camaro90@hotmail.com Thank you
Docs sent to you as well. Enjoy.

If you are still working on this it would be a great read for me to check out. My new group just "volunteered" me to DM but they only play 4E :(

I ran this game a little while back but only made it through the first book. Any help in converting this or other Pathfinder campaigns would help so much. Thank you.

gmail : skelly013


Yes yes I too would be interested in your document particulary your part 1 : namely exploring as a skill challenge.

dmalcrap@gmail.com

Mythknight wrote:
Banesfinger wrote:
z28camaro90 wrote:
z28camaro90@hotmail.com Thank you
Docs sent to you as well. Enjoy.

If you are still working on this it would be a great read for me to check out. My new group just "volunteered" me to DM but they only play 4E :(

I ran this game a little while back but only made it through the first book. Any help in converting this or other Pathfinder campaigns would help so much. Thank you.

gmail : skelly013


I am in the same boat as everyone else. If you could email the 4e conversions that would be great.

dmcf@awesometerrain.com

Thanks again

Question- Has anyone worked on any of the other mods in this series for 4e? (ex: Rivers Run Red)

Liberty's Edge

Banesfinger wrote:
skrondo wrote:
Berhagen and Banesfinger...it would be cool if you can pass your AT files to put in mine.

I'm not sure if it is against this forum's rules to leave e-mail addresses in a post?

If not, skrondo, z28camero90, (and anyone else) just mention your e-mail address in this thread and I'll e-mail you my conversion.

I have:
- MS Word Document 1: a quick blurb on 4e races & gods, using skill challenges for exploring, and 4e conversion of the random encounter table.

- MS Word Document 2: conversion of encounter areas.

By far, the most difficult conversions have been the fairie races (e.g. Nixies, Grigs, etc) as 4e doesn't seem to have ANY monsters that remotely resemble these (yet...).

Hey there...I'd be very interested in your work. Much thanks! Yahoo Mail account. Hyefam

Scarab Sages

Hye Roler wrote:
Banesfinger wrote:
skrondo wrote:
Berhagen and Banesfinger...it would be cool if you can pass your AT files to put in mine.

I'm not sure if it is against this forum's rules to leave e-mail addresses in a post?

If not, skrondo, z28camero90, (and anyone else) just mention your e-mail address in this thread and I'll e-mail you my conversion.

I have:
- MS Word Document 1: a quick blurb on 4e races & gods, using skill challenges for exploring, and 4e conversion of the random encounter table.

- MS Word Document 2: conversion of encounter areas.

By far, the most difficult conversions have been the fairie races (e.g. Nixies, Grigs, etc) as 4e doesn't seem to have ANY monsters that remotely resemble these (yet...).

Hey there...I'd be very interested in your work. Much thanks! Yahoo Mail account. Hyefam

Any documents y'all have accrued, I'd love to see them. I'm getting pumped about the same thing. Gmail account is theactionpoint.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Card Game, Maps, Modules Subscriber

I'd love to receive these documents also.

cintrabristol at comcast.net


Same here I may run a 4e group through Kingmaker.

ghaladen at gmail.com


ghaladen wrote:

Same here I may run a 4e group through Kingmaker.

ghaladen at gmail.com

I would be interested as well. My yahoo & gmail accounts are both NewJeffCT

Thanks!!


Hello !

I'm going to start the Kingmaker campaign, if you could email your 4e conversions that would be great.

fgude@free.fr

Thanks !

Shadow Lodge

Convert Pathfinder to 4e?

Blasphemy.


Cintra Bristol wrote:

I'd love to receive these documents also.

cintrabristol at comcast.net

I would love these documents as I am running a PbP 4E version of Kingmaker. Any assistance is always appreciated.

Mithknight@gmail.com

Thank you.


Banesfinger wrote:


I'm not sure if it is against this forum's rules to leave e-mail addresses in a post?
If not, skrondo, z28camero90, (and anyone else) just mention your e-mail address in this thread and I'll e-mail you my conversion.

I have:
- MS Word Document 1: a quick blurb on 4e races & gods, using skill challenges for exploring, and 4e conversion of the random encounter table.

- MS Word Document 2: conversion of encounter areas.

Hi Banesfinger,

I appreciate you sharing your hard work, and would be very happy if you could please email me a copy of your conversion too!

arasaka_au@hotmail.com

Many thanks in advance!


Me too, please.

bmars3@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance.


What interests me the most here is a 4e version of kingdom building and armies.

Any thoughts on how those would be adapted to 4th?


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Card Game, Maps, Modules Subscriber
Fletch wrote:

What interests me the most here is a 4e version of kingdom building and armies.

Any thoughts on how those would be adapted to 4th?

For kingdom building, you have two choices. The easier (but oddly, more problematic) is to set a specific BP value for the magic item slots, rather than rolling items. But this leaves you with the arguably-broken magic item economy, which doesn't really fit 4E. If you want to go this route, I actually ran the average values generated by the original system (assuming a common house rule that items worth less than 4000gp could be saved up and sold for accumulated BPs) and here's what I came up with:

MINOR: 89% are worth 0.1 BP, 11% are worth 2BP. Average value 0.309 BP.
MEDIUM: 29% are worth 0.2 BP, 71% are worth 8 BP. Avg value 6 (5.738).
MAJOR: 15% are worth 0.33 BP, 85% are worth 15 BP. Avg value 13 (12.8).

The more complex solution is to rebalance all the buildings and in the process, completely eliminate the magic item economy. You can either try to increase the Econ values to make up for this, or not (and let your PCs take longer to get their kingdoms to be profitable).

I've actually got a version that I'm reasonably happy with, but it's completely untested - my group is still in the middle of the first book. I think this link will get you to a version I posted a while back. PLEASE simply eliminate the Slave Pen entry from what I wrote there - as was discussed later in that thread, it's a bad, bad idea. :)

As for armies, I'm still looking for a good solution.


Hi there,

Is it still possible to get a copy of whatever you already designed as Kingmaker convertion to the 4e ?

I'm running my first kingmaker session in a tenth of days and would be happy to have some material to compare with what i have in mind...

My PCs will most probably start at 8th level.

Thanks in advance.

Amaranthe (at) free (dot) fr

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