paizo.com Recent Posts in Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?paizo.com Recent Posts in Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?2012-11-15T22:44:28Z2012-11-15T22:44:28ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Senatorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#952010-07-21T16:13:31Z2010-07-21T16:13:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Wellard wrote:</div><blockquote> Welcome Senator..I too am one of the originals(began playing in 1974) and have fond memories of Tegel Manor and the early Judges Guild stuff. </blockquote><p>Thank you venerable sir! It's been a great ride all these years, no? When I think of visiting the little, dusty Sentry Box back then with most of the space taken up by wargaming and just a small space to begin with for Dungeons and Dragons I'm overwhelmed with nostalgia. The little miniature blister packs that came in containing a few blobs of lead with the title "Assorted Slimes and Molds" made me chuckle fondly. The smell of Judges Guild's new releases on newsprint paper, (sometimes with a single color to fancy up the front page, wow!) Coloring in the plastic dice yourself. Twenty siders that you used two colors on, one for the 10's another for the 20's. Then the innovative 20 sider that had a little cross on half the numbers so you could color them all black and still tell the 10's from the 20's. INNOVATION! Finding out what the word "chits" meant. And so much more.
<p>On the day I got married I dressed up in my tux with my best friend and fellow gamer, Bruce Birch and walked to the Sentry Box for a last visit as a "bachelor". Everyone wished me well and off I went to the church!</p>
<p>I don't consider myself weird, strange, or anything else than incredibly blessed to have such good friends over so many years. The thrill of adventure week after week. "To wear a sword instead of a walking stick...just once!" </p>
<p>Even the huge intervention from my church and the great burning didn't keep me down!</p>
<p>Excelsior!</p>
<p>- Senator</p>DM Wellard wrote:Welcome Senator..I too am one of the originals(began playing in 1974) and have fond memories of Tegel Manor and the early Judges Guild stuff.
Thank you venerable sir! It's been a great ride all these years, no? When I think of visiting the little, dusty Sentry Box back then with most of the space taken up by wargaming and just a small space to begin with for Dungeons and Dragons I'm overwhelmed with nostalgia. The little miniature blister packs that came in containing a few...Senator2010-07-21T16:13:30ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?DM Wellard (alias of Wellard)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#942010-07-21T08:15:54Z2010-07-21T08:15:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Senator wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Uchawi wrote:</div><blockquote> Ah tegel manor was the first group dungeon I ran in high school when the computer teacher let us stay for extra credit (even teachers back in the day played). That brings up memories of operation ogre, and related judges guild releases. </blockquote><p>Some of those were pretty good, like Caverns of Thracia, others not so, Of Skulls and Scrapfaggot Green. I loved the hall of paintings in Tegel though.
<p>- Senator
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</blockquote><p>Welcome Senator..I too am one of the originals(began playing in 1974) and have fond memories of Tegel Manor and the early Judges Guild stuff.Senator wrote:Uchawi wrote: Ah tegel manor was the first group dungeon I ran in high school when the computer teacher let us stay for extra credit (even teachers back in the day played). That brings up memories of operation ogre, and related judges guild releases.
Some of those were pretty good, like Caverns of Thracia, others not so, Of Skulls and Scrapfaggot Green. I loved the hall of paintings in Tegel though. - Senator
Welcome Senator..I too am one of the originals(began playing in 1974)...DM Wellard (alias of Wellard)2010-07-21T08:15:52ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Senatorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#932010-07-20T16:47:52Z2010-07-20T16:47:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Uchawi wrote:</div><blockquote> Ah tegel manor was the first group dungeon I ran in high school when the computer teacher let us stay for extra credit (even teachers back in the day played). That brings up memories of operation ogre, and related judges guild releases. </blockquote><p>Some of those were pretty good, like Caverns of Thracia, others not so, Of Skulls and Scrapfaggot Green. I loved the hall of paintings in Tegel though.
<p>- Senator</p>Uchawi wrote:Ah tegel manor was the first group dungeon I ran in high school when the computer teacher let us stay for extra credit (even teachers back in the day played). That brings up memories of operation ogre, and related judges guild releases.
Some of those were pretty good, like Caverns of Thracia, others not so, Of Skulls and Scrapfaggot Green. I loved the hall of paintings in Tegel though. - SenatorSenator2010-07-20T16:47:50ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Uchawihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#922010-07-20T03:10:04Z2010-07-20T03:10:02Z<p>Ah tegel manor was the first group dungeon I ran in high school when the computer teacher let us stay for extra credit (even teachers back in the day played). That brings up memories of operation ogre, and related judges guild releases.</p>Ah tegel manor was the first group dungeon I ran in high school when the computer teacher let us stay for extra credit (even teachers back in the day played). That brings up memories of operation ogre, and related judges guild releases.Uchawi2010-07-20T03:10:02ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Senatorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#912010-07-20T02:01:40Z2010-07-20T01:35:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Martin wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Marc Radle wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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On a side note, I actually got to meet Frank Mentzer back in the early 80's at ... wait for it ... D&D Camp. He even did a Q&A kind of thing the one night - fun, uber geek time! </blockquote><p>Ahh yes, that's when the game hobby was really hitting a peak. I heard about those, but never went to one myself.
<p>By the way, I hope Senator doesn't mind us rambling off his original topic - I think he was looking for advise and suggestions more than nostalgia. </blockquote><p>Don't mind in the least. I've been enjoying your appreciation for the early editions. I still have my old Holmes box edition. I love the scene on that one. And my old boxed Moldvay basic and expert. I relied on these to fill in missing game info and stats.
<p>When I first started someone gave me a copy of Tegel Manor. When I was running it I suddenly realized I didn't have any idea of what ghosts were capable of. No stats. We ended up phoning other gamers all over the continent. XD</p>
<p>- Senator</p>Alex Martin wrote:Marc Radle wrote:
On a side note, I actually got to meet Frank Mentzer back in the early 80's at ... wait for it ... D&D Camp. He even did a Q&A kind of thing the one night - fun, uber geek time!
Ahh yes, that's when the game hobby was really hitting a peak. I heard about those, but never went to one myself. By the way, I hope Senator doesn't mind us rambling off his original topic - I think he was looking for advise and suggestions more than nostalgia. Don't mind in the...Senator2010-07-20T01:35:50ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Senatorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#902010-07-20T01:28:15Z2010-07-20T01:28:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">JMD031 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Senator wrote:</div><blockquote> What better way to end it than the way I began it. So we had our "Apocalyptic Adventure", they've found the stone. All is in ruins.... </blockquote><p>Wow, that sounds like an awesome way to create/destroy a world.
<p>HEY WHAT IS THAT OVER THERE???!!!!!</p>
<p>•steals idea•</p>
<p>But seriously, this idea is pretty cool. </blockquote><p>If you liked that guess what happens when they activate the Phoenix Stone. C'mon guess!
<p>- Senator</p>JMD031 wrote:Senator wrote: What better way to end it than the way I began it. So we had our "Apocalyptic Adventure", they've found the stone. All is in ruins....
Wow, that sounds like an awesome way to create/destroy a world. HEY WHAT IS THAT OVER THERE???!!!!!
*steals idea*
But seriously, this idea is pretty cool. If you liked that guess what happens when they activate the Phoenix Stone. C'mon guess! - SenatorSenator2010-07-20T01:28:15ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Senatorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#892010-07-20T01:25:20Z2010-07-20T01:25:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">pres man wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Senator wrote:</div><blockquote> It's kind of like the new BSG, "This has all happened before and it will all happen again."</blockquote>Please, never mention that horror again. I'm kidding. No, I'm not, it was incredibly horrible. </blockquote><p>Oh nooo, nonono! You misunderstood me. I was referencing Peter Pan. Which is about learning By Seriously Growingup. BSG. See? And the line is from Peter Pan.
<p>See?</p>
<p>Really.</p>
<p>- Senator</p>pres man wrote:Senator wrote: It's kind of like the new BSG, "This has all happened before and it will all happen again."
Please, never mention that horror again. I'm kidding. No, I'm not, it was incredibly horrible. Oh nooo, nonono! You misunderstood me. I was referencing Peter Pan. Which is about learning By Seriously Growingup. BSG. See? And the line is from Peter Pan. See?
Really.
- SenatorSenator2010-07-20T01:25:18ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Mairkurion {tm}https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#872010-07-19T17:31:09Z2010-07-19T17:28:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Martin wrote:</div><blockquote><p> FYI - if you look at my post above, there are image links of the three covers.
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By the way, I hope Senator doesn't mind us rambling off his original topic - I think he was looking for advise and suggestions more than nostalgia. </blockquote><p>Yeah, I guess folks miss links sometimes if they aren't bolded.
<p><a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/dnd/basicMoldvayAndExpertCookBoxedSetPeopleUniteToPartyLikeIts1981&page=1#0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>I tried to take our Moldvay love on the road.</b></a></p>Alex Martin wrote:FYI - if you look at my post above, there are image links of the three covers.
By the way, I hope Senator doesn't mind us rambling off his original topic - I think he was looking for advise and suggestions more than nostalgia.
Yeah, I guess folks miss links sometimes if they aren't bolded. I tried to take our Moldvay love on the road.Mairkurion {tm}2010-07-19T17:28:01ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Alex Martinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#862010-07-19T17:28:32Z2010-07-19T17:26:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Marc Radle wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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On a side note, I actually got to meet Frank Mentzer back in the early 80's at ... wait for it ... D&D Camp. He even did a Q&A kind of thing the one night - fun, uber geek time! </blockquote><p>Ahh yes, that's when the game hobby was really hitting a peak. I heard about those, but never went to one myself.
<p>By the way, I hope Senator doesn't mind us rambling off his original topic - I think he was looking for advise and suggestions more than nostalgia.</p>Marc Radle wrote:On a side note, I actually got to meet Frank Mentzer back in the early 80's at ... wait for it ... D&D Camp. He even did a Q&A kind of thing the one night - fun, uber geek time!
Ahh yes, that's when the game hobby was really hitting a peak. I heard about those, but never went to one myself. By the way, I hope Senator doesn't mind us rambling off his original topic - I think he was looking for advise and suggestions more than nostalgia.Alex Martin2010-07-19T17:26:59ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Alex Martinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#852010-07-19T17:24:37Z2010-07-19T17:24:34Z<p>FYI - if you look at my post above, there are image links of the three covers.</p>FYI - if you look at my post above, there are image links of the three covers.Alex Martin2010-07-19T17:24:34ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Mairkurion {tm}https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#842010-07-19T15:20:59Z2010-07-19T15:20:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote> No, the one with Larry Elmore art and far more red all over it. Can't link "counterproductive material" while at work, will look it up at home :) </blockquote><p>Yep, that's the Mentzer.Gorbacz wrote:No, the one with Larry Elmore art and far more red all over it. Can't link "counterproductive material" while at work, will look it up at home :)
Yep, that's the Mentzer.Mairkurion {tm}2010-07-19T15:20:58ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Uchawihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#832010-07-19T14:56:12Z2010-07-19T14:56:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Martin wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Mairkurion {tm} wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee. </blockquote><p>Mairkurion: I'd probably have to dig it out to confirm (yes - I still have it stored somewhere), but it is the Moldvay version. It's the cover that sticks with me that I remember immediately. I still have the original yellow dice - with pencil-in on the numbers since it was so hard to read them. ;-)
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I also find it interesting to hear about which version got people started; it's neat to hear about others' perspective on how they started in the hobby. </p>
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It was red, you had to colour in your own dice, and my first glimpse was when my english teacher had it on his desk during class - I later found one in a local toy store. I have to ask though, 'Moldvay'?
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</blockquote><p>Brock: There are basically three version of the D&D basic set for those who got their start with that set. The most basic difference is the box cover and who edited the D&D rulebooks. The first version of the basic set was edited from original D&D rules by Dr. Eric Holmes and the <a href="http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/setpages/setscans/basic5th.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">box cover</a> was done by Dave Sutherland. The second version was edited by Tom Moldvay and had the classic Errol Otis <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-xLCc_wy3Z0/SbRO6M4PQrI/AAAAAAAAAAM/STaF0S5kxOg/s1600-R/284222197_6b8db24495.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">cover</a> - this set delineated D&D into Basic and Expert sets (red and blue boxes). The third version - from which TSR expanded the rules even more - was edited by Frank Mentzer and had the Larry Elmore <a href=" http://paizo.com/image/product/catalog/TSR/TSR1011_500.jpeg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">cover</a>.
<p>So to delineate the "basic" sets you might ask which version - Holmes, Moldvay, or Mentzer. Each version I think has a certain amount of nostalgia for different folks - which I don't want to ignite into a discussion here. ;-) </blockquote><p>I would recommend pathfinder, just because the natural progression of gaming is to go from simplified to complex rules, and maybe back to basics again (depending on your preference). At least that was my path starting with blue book version in middle school so many years ago up to 4E.
<p>4E is more basic compared to 3.5, but it is not a huge gap, all the fluff is available, but they concentrated on the mechanics first. That has hurt the game in some aspects; nothing a good DM can't fix.</p>
<p>I envy anyone who is approaching roleplaying as a new hobby, because there is less bias involved, even those that have been enjoying 1E/2E for while. I am already taking a look at retro-clone systems and fantasycraft, just to see how much has changed and to take a look at some new ideas.</p>
<p>www.retroroleplaying.com/content/retro-clones</p>Alex Martin wrote:Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee.
Mairkurion: I'd probably have to dig it out to confirm (yes - I still have it stored somewhere), but it is the Moldvay version. It's the cover that sticks with me that I remember immediately. I still have the original yellow dice - with pencil-in on the numbers since it was so hard to read them. ;-)
...Uchawi2010-07-19T14:56:12ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Marc Radlehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#822010-07-19T14:50:49Z2010-07-19T14:50:20Z<p>The very first D&D box we had also had the chits instead of the dice. We moved to the dice you had to color in with the crayon next and then on to the Big time - real dice, actual Players Handbook, DM's Guide etc ... we had so many GREAT times playing AD&D</p>
<p>On a side note, I actually got to meet Frank Mentzer back in the early 80's at ... wait for it ... D&D Camp. He even did a Q&A kind of thing the one night - fun, uber geek time!</p>The very first D&D box we had also had the chits instead of the dice. We moved to the dice you had to color in with the crayon next and then on to the Big time - real dice, actual Players Handbook, DM's Guide etc ... we had so many GREAT times playing AD&D
On a side note, I actually got to meet Frank Mentzer back in the early 80's at ... wait for it ... D&D Camp. He even did a Q&A kind of thing the one night - fun, uber geek time!Marc Radle2010-07-19T14:50:20ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Gorbaczhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#812010-07-19T14:50:09Z2010-07-19T14:50:09Z<p>No, the one with Larry Elmore art and far more red all over it. Can't link "counterproductive material" while at work, will look it up at home :)</p>No, the one with Larry Elmore art and far more red all over it. Can't link "counterproductive material" while at work, will look it up at home :)Gorbacz2010-07-19T14:50:09ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Mairkurion {tm}https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#802010-07-19T14:47:26Z2010-07-19T14:47:25Z<p><a href="http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd/dd-box.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">This one?</a></p>This one?Mairkurion {tm}2010-07-19T14:47:25ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Gorbaczhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#792010-07-19T14:41:13Z2010-07-19T14:41:11Z<p>I too began my adventure with D&D with a box. It was red, and it had a cool fighter vs dragon scene on the cover.</p>
<p>It was cool. I will always fondly recall the red box.</p>I too began my adventure with D&D with a box. It was red, and it had a cool fighter vs dragon scene on the cover.
It was cool. I will always fondly recall the red box.Gorbacz2010-07-19T14:41:11ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Mairkurion {tm}https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#782010-07-19T14:45:10Z2010-07-19T14:36:10Z<p>It's clear I need to create a Moldvay alias and thread now. I weep for you Holmes and Mentzer people. :D</p>It's clear I need to create a Moldvay alias and thread now. I weep for you Holmes and Mentzer people. :DMairkurion {tm}2010-07-19T14:36:10ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?cibet44https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#772010-07-19T12:26:17Z2010-07-19T12:26:17Z<p>I started on the Holmes edition and it came with cardboard chits, not dice. You had to punch out the chits, put them in a bag, and draw them out to "roll". We soon moved to Moldvay and from there right to AD&D. Never used the Mentzer edition.</p>I started on the Holmes edition and it came with cardboard chits, not dice. You had to punch out the chits, put them in a bag, and draw them out to "roll". We soon moved to Moldvay and from there right to AD&D. Never used the Mentzer edition.cibet442010-07-19T12:26:17ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?brockhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#762010-07-19T09:12:29Z2010-07-19T09:12:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Martin wrote:</div><blockquote></p>
<p>Brock: There are basically three version of the D&D basic set for those who got their start with that set. ...</p>
<p>So to delineate the "basic" sets you might ask which version - Holmes, Moldvay, or Mentzer. Each version I think has a certain amount of nostalgia for different folks - which I don't want to ignite into a discussion here. ;-) </blockquote><p>Cool, thanks. Looks like mine was the third version.Alex Martin wrote:Brock: There are basically three version of the D&D basic set for those who got their start with that set. ...
So to delineate the "basic" sets you might ask which version - Holmes, Moldvay, or Mentzer. Each version I think has a certain amount of nostalgia for different folks - which I don't want to ignite into a discussion here. ;-)
Cool, thanks. Looks like mine was the third version.brock2010-07-19T09:12:28ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?JMD031https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#752010-07-19T03:14:47Z2010-07-19T03:14:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Senator wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The end?: Way back in 1978 I began my world with the erupting of the "Phoenix Stone". It was my macguffin to explain how things came to be. The birth of the gods, etc. Well, at one time or another my players have quested for it but never found it. We were sitting around after a game recently talking about times changed and people gone and seriously discussed a reboot with more modern rules and new concepts and ideas. I said, "Maybe it's time to find the Phoenix Stone." And they went crazy!</p>
<p>What better way to end it than the way I began it. So we had our "Apocalyptic Adventure", they've found the stone. All is in ruins.... </blockquote><p>Wow, that sounds like an awesome way to create/destroy a world.
<p>HEY WHAT IS THAT OVER THERE???!!!!!</p>
<p>•steals idea•</p>
<p>But seriously, this idea is pretty cool.</p>Senator wrote:The end?: Way back in 1978 I began my world with the erupting of the "Phoenix Stone". It was my macguffin to explain how things came to be. The birth of the gods, etc. Well, at one time or another my players have quested for it but never found it. We were sitting around after a game recently talking about times changed and people gone and seriously discussed a reboot with more modern rules and new concepts and ideas. I said, "Maybe it's time to find the Phoenix Stone." And they...JMD0312010-07-19T03:14:47ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Alex Martinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#742010-07-19T03:06:33Z2010-07-19T03:06:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mairkurion {tm} wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee. </blockquote><p>Mairkurion: I'd probably have to dig it out to confirm (yes - I still have it stored somewhere), but it is the Moldvay version. It's the cover that sticks with me that I remember immediately. I still have the original yellow dice - with pencil-in on the numbers since it was so hard to read them. ;-)
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I also find it interesting to hear about which version got people started; it's neat to hear about others' perspective on how they started in the hobby. </p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">brock wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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It was red, you had to colour in your own dice, and my first glimpse was when my english teacher had it on his desk during class - I later found one in a local toy store. I have to ask though, 'Moldvay'?
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</blockquote><p>Brock: There are basically three version of the D&D basic set for those who got their start with that set. The most basic difference is the box cover and who edited the D&D rulebooks. The first version of the basic set was edited from original D&D rules by Dr. Eric Holmes and the <a href="http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/setpages/setscans/basic5th.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">box cover</a> was done by Dave Sutherland. The second version was edited by Tom Moldvay and had the classic Errol Otis <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-xLCc_wy3Z0/SbRO6M4PQrI/AAAAAAAAAAM/STaF0S5kxOg/s1600-R/284222197_6b8db24495.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">cover</a> - this set delineated D&D into Basic and Expert sets (red and blue boxes). The third version - from which TSR expanded the rules even more - was edited by Frank Mentzer and had the Larry Elmore <a href=" http://paizo.com/image/product/catalog/TSR/TSR1011_500.jpeg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">cover</a>.
<p>So to delineate the "basic" sets you might ask which version - Holmes, Moldvay, or Mentzer. Each version I think has a certain amount of nostalgia for different folks - which I don't want to ignite into a discussion here. ;-)</p>Mairkurion {tm} wrote:The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee.
Mairkurion: I'd probably have to dig it out to confirm (yes - I still have it stored somewhere), but it is the Moldvay version. It's the cover that sticks with me that I remember immediately. I still have the original yellow dice - with pencil-in on the numbers since it was so hard to read them. ;-)
I also find it...Alex Martin2010-07-19T03:06:33ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Utgardlokihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#732010-07-19T02:28:31Z2010-07-19T02:28:29Z<p>My take on 3.5 vs Pathfinder vs 4E</p>
<p>3.5 has everything the previous editions of D&D had, except for the silly restrictions such as elves not being able to get past X level. But much of it was disguised, and much of it was presented in the numerous "splatbooks" that came out. Also, a large number of new and beloved tropes came out with 3rd edition, such as half-orc paladins.</p>
<p>4E deliberately removed a lot of Dungeons and Dragons tropes. Not only were they gone, but the very concepts that supported them were gone — no Great Wheel cosmology, no chaotic good alignment, no "unnecessary symmetries". Gone, deliberately gone.</p>
<p>Pathfinder is an evolution of 3.5, but because it is new and because a lot of Dungeons and Dragons is held under WotC's copyright, Pathfinder does not have everything. You can bring it in from 3.5 relatively easily, but some thought might be required.</p>
<p>My preference is actually to go with 3.5 with perhaps some of the fixes from Pathfinder. But I would try all three, if I had the chance.</p>My take on 3.5 vs Pathfinder vs 4E
3.5 has everything the previous editions of D&D had, except for the silly restrictions such as elves not being able to get past X level. But much of it was disguised, and much of it was presented in the numerous "splatbooks" that came out. Also, a large number of new and beloved tropes came out with 3rd edition, such as half-orc paladins.
4E deliberately removed a lot of Dungeons and Dragons tropes. Not only were they gone, but the very concepts that...Utgardloki2010-07-19T02:28:29ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?brockhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#722010-07-18T21:26:40Z2010-07-18T21:26:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mairkurion {tm} wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Martin wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I've been playing since the D&D Red Box Basic - 1980 vintage I believe , so color me impressed as well on the longevity of your campaign.</p>
<p></blockquote>The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee. </blockquote><p>It was red, you had to colour in your own dice, and my first glimpse was when my english teacher had it on his desk during class - I later found one in a local toy store. I have to ask though, 'Moldvay'?Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Alex Martin wrote:I've been playing since the D&D Red Box Basic - 1980 vintage I believe , so color me impressed as well on the longevity of your campaign.
The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee. It was red, you had to colour in your own dice, and my first glimpse was when my english teacher had it on his desk during class - I later found one in a local toy...brock2010-07-18T21:26:40ZRe: Forums: 3.5/d20/OGL: Am I right to feel slightly disappointed?Mairkurion {tm}https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l1md&page=2?Am-I-right-to-feel-slightly-disappointed#712010-07-18T21:15:19Z2010-07-18T21:15:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Martin wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I've been playing since the D&D Red Box Basic - 1980 vintage I believe , so color me impressed as well on the longevity of your campaign.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee.Alex Martin wrote:I've been playing since the D&D Red Box Basic - 1980 vintage I believe , so color me impressed as well on the longevity of your campaign.
The 1981 Moldvay Basic box? Am I the only person who, in these conversations, likes to hear when other people started with the same box as you? Hee-hee.Mairkurion {tm}2010-07-18T21:15:18Z