Iconics' statistics question


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I just dug up my copy of Crypt of the Everflame just to take a closer look at the stats for the iconics in it (the first-level PFRPG versions of Valeros, Ezren, Merisiel, and Kyra.) I wonder if anyone could shed some light on any of my questions about them:

1) Kyra's Dex is 8, so her initiative modifier should be -1. Why, then, is it 0? Does she get a +1 from somewhere?

2) Merisiel has a BAB of 0, a Strength modifier of +1, and a Dex modifier of +3. So her CMD should be 14. Why, then, is it 15? Again, am I missing a +1 somewhere?

3) With a Strength score of 12, Merisiel should carry up to 43 pounds as a light load. In the Crypt of the Everflame version, she's carrying 46 pounds of equipment. Shouldn't that reduce her speed to 20'? And yet she's listed as having a speed of 30 feet.

4) Have there ever been official listings of the iconics' height and weight?

5) How about age? (I've seen years of birth for Ezren, Seelah, and Seltyiel - 4665, 4687, and 4679, respectively - but what about the rest of them?)

6) What languages does Ezren speak?


Aaron Bitman wrote:
1) Kyra's Dex is 8, so her initiative modifier should be -1. Why, then, is it 0? Does she get a +1 from somewhere?

Looks like an error to me. Should be -1 as well.

Aaron Bitman wrote:
2) Merisiel has a BAB of 0, a Strength modifier of +1, and a Dex modifier of +3. So her CMD should be 14. Why, then, is it 15? Again, am I missing a +1 somewhere?

Dodge bonuses, including the one Merisiel gets from her Dodge feat, apply to CMD.

Aaron Bitman wrote:

3) With a Strength score of 12, Merisiel should carry up to 43 pounds as a light load. In the Crypt of the Everflame version, she's carrying 46 pounds of equipment. Shouldn't that reduce her speed to 20'? And yet she's listed as having a speed of 30 feet.

It should, yeah. Looks like another error. She's carrying a lot more oil than I think she needs, though - you could probably drop her down to just 2 pints without it being a big deal.

As far as I know, the rest of your questions have no official answer.

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Aaron Bitman wrote:
1) Kyra's Dex is 8, so her initiative modifier should be -1. Why, then, is it 0? Does she get a +1 from somewhere?

That's an error. Should be –1.

Aaron Bitman wrote:
2) Merisiel has a BAB of 0, a Strength modifier of +1, and a Dex modifier of +3. So her CMD should be 14. Why, then, is it 15? Again, am I missing a +1 somewhere?

She gets that +1 bonus from Dodge, as mentioned above.

Aaron Bitman wrote:
3) With a Strength score of 12, Merisiel should carry up to 43 pounds as a light load. In the Crypt of the Everflame version, she's carrying 46 pounds of equipment. Shouldn't that reduce her speed to 20'? And yet she's listed as having a speed of 30 feet.

The honest truth: we don't bother to track encumbrance for these characters. We probably should, but we don't. My suggestion, have her drop 3 pounds of stuff.

Aaron Bitman wrote:
4) Have there ever been official listings of the iconics' height and weight?

Nope.

Aaron Bitman wrote:
5) How about age? (I've seen years of birth for Ezren, Seelah, and Seltyiel - 4665, 4687, and 4679, respectively - but what about the rest of them?)

We've mentioned or hinted at their ages in their "Meet the Iconics" writeups on the paizo blog, but we haven't actually revealed those numbers in print.

Aaron Bitman wrote:
6) What languages does Ezren speak?

Common, plus whatever languages the player wants him to speak. AKA: Ezren's stat block, with all his spells, is a complicated one to fit into the format we have for the pregenerated characters, so listing languages for him (and for ALL of the iconcs as a result) is something we simply don't do.


Thank you very much!

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