Okay, I have looked through the Core Rule book and the bestiary and this forum. I can't find any description of the Slam attack. Specifically for a Fire Elemental. any hints?
The medium Fire Elementals has attack:
Melee: slam +7 (1d6+1 plus burn)
Special Attacks: burn (1d6, DC14)
So what does that mean?
Does the Fire Elemental do 7 points of slam damage plus 1d6 burn damage with a DC14 save against the burn damage?
Or does the Fire Elemental do 1d6+1+1d6 burn?
What does the +7 next to slam mean?
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Okay, I have looked through the Core Rule book and the bestiary and this forum. I can't find any description of the Slam attack. Specifically for a Fire Elemental. any hints?
The medium Fire Elementals has attack:
Melee: slam +7 (1d6+1 plus burn)
Special Attacks: burn (1d6, DC14)So what does that mean?
Does the Fire Elemental do 7 points of slam damage plus 1d6 burn damage with a DC14 save against the burn damage?
Or does the Fire Elemental do 1d6+1+1d6 burn?
What does the +7 next to slam mean?
Slam is the general term for slapping/smacking/hitting/or otherwise bonking the hell out of someone, be it with fists, tentacles, or with your entire body.
The damage breaks down like this: 1d6+1 plus burn
The first 1d6 is rolled, add 1 to that. That's the result for the physical part of the slam attack. Then the burn damage gets rolled separately, as it has a save involved. Just roll up a 1d6 for that, and allow a save against that DC of 14 to avoid some of it.
The +7 is the "to hit" modifier that gets added to the creature's attack roll. That means that you just roll the d20 and add that +7, and that's the attack result for that slam.
Now as for why any damage a fire elemental is dealing is anything other than pure fire damage... I hadn't noticed before. For some reason I've never used fire elementals much, compared to the others....
Thank you for the clarification!
Seems like there should be an entry for slam in the Bestiary under the Appendix 3: glossary - Universal Monster Rules. So, it is essentially, just an unarmed attack by a Monster then?
Seems like there should be an entry for slam in the Bestiary under the Appendix 3: glossary - Universal Monster Rules. So, it is essentially, just an unarmed attack by a Monster then?
Essentially, yes.
There doesn't really have to be an entry for it in the glossary. All it would say is what the dictionary has to say about "slam":
to dash, strike, knock, thrust, throw, slap down, etc., with violent and noisy impact
The glossary would be a bit overly large if it should include dictionary references for everything. In other words, anything that isn't specifically described in the rules set should be taken at its regular English meaning :)
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Try Bestiary pg.302 Table 3-1.
Thanks Mike!
And you're not alone Basilforth; I've scoured my books for said references also!So Here's the breakdown: SLAM ATTACK is a type of NATURAL ATTACK
(to dash, strike, knock, thrust, throw, slap down, etc., with violent and noisy impact)[thanks Are] A slam attack is a primary bludgeoning attack.
Table 3–1: Natural Attacks by Size
Fine / Dim / Tiny/Small/Med/Lrg/ Huge/Garg/ Col.
Bite 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 B/S/P Primary
Claw — 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B/S Primary
Gore 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 P Primary
Hoof,Tenticle, Wing
— 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B Secondary
Pincers,Tail Slap,
1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 B Secondary
SLAM — 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B Primary
Sting — 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 P Primary
Talons — 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 S Primary
Other — 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B/S/P Secondary
I will work hard to create OTHER Natural Attacks - lol
But seriously, while we are on the subject, how does Slam stack up with DR?????
And is a monk attack, a Slam? What is the difference? I don't want to sound daft, but it could use a bit more explaining. -THANKS
But seriously, while we are on the subject, how does Slam stack up with DR?????
And is a monk attack, a Slam? What is the difference? I don't want to sound daft, but it could use a bit more explaining. -THANKS
1: Damage Reduction works the same way in regards to slam attacks as with any other form of natural attack. Most often, a slam attack would only be able to overcome DR/bludgeoning, but it could certainly overcome other types of DR depending on the monster's other abilities (for instance, a monster whose natural attacks count as lawful and evil would overcome DR/lawful and DR/evil with its slam attacks, in addition to DR/bludgeoning).
2: No, a monk's attack is an Unarmed Strike. There are several differences; one difference is that as it counts as a regular weapon, a monk gets iterative attacks with it for having a BAB of +6 or higher. A natural attack never gets iterative attacks. Similarly, a monk's (or other character's) Unarmed Strike doesn't get a -5 penalty when used alongside manufactured weapons, which is what happens to natural attacks. Another difference is that the base damage is different (and for monks specifically, the Unarmed Strike damage increases as the monk gains levels).
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But seriously, while we are on the subject, how does Slam stack up with DR?????
And is a monk attack, a Slam? What is the difference? I don't want to sound daft, but it could use a bit more explaining. -THANKS
1: Damage Reduction works the same way in regards to slam attacks as with any other form of natural attack. Most often, a slam attack would only be able to overcome DR/bludgeoning, but it could certainly overcome other types of DR depending on the monster's other abilities (for instance, a monster whose natural attacks count as lawful and evil would overcome DR/lawful and DR/evil with its slam attacks, in addition to DR/bludgeoning).
2: No, a monk's attack is an Unarmed Strike. There are several differences; one difference is that as it counts as a regular weapon, a monk gets iterative attacks with it for having a BAB of +6 or higher. A natural attack never gets iterative attacks. Similarly, a monk's (or other character's) Unarmed Strike doesn't get a -5 penalty when used alongside manufactured weapons, which is what happens to natural attacks. Another difference is that the base damage is different (and for monks specifically, the Unarmed Strike damage increases as the monk gains levels).
As I had thought, thanks for the confirmation:!)
Random clarification for a slam attack - if you animate a creature as a zombie that has some sort of bite attack, does the slam attack apply to it?
Random clarification for a slam attack - if you animate a creature as a zombie that has some sort of bite attack, does the slam attack apply to it?
Attacks: A zombie retains all the natural weapons, manufactured weapon attacks, and weapon proficiencies of the base creature. It also gains a slam attack that deals damage based on the zombie's size, but as if it were one size category larger than its actual size (see Natural Attacks).
It keeps the bite attack because it's a natural weapon. It gains an additional primary natural attack - a slam - with damage based on a creature one size larger.
But seriously, while we are on the subject, how does Slam stack up with DR?????
And is a monk attack, a Slam? What is the difference? I don't want to sound daft, but it could use a bit more explaining. -THANKS
2: No, a monk's attack is an Unarmed Strike. There are several differences; one difference is that as it counts as a regular weapon, a monk gets iterative attacks with it for having a BAB of +6 or higher. A natural attack never gets iterative attacks. Similarly, a monk's (or other character's) Unarmed Strike doesn't get a -5 penalty when used alongside manufactured weapons, which is what happens to natural attacks. Another difference is that the base damage is different (and for monks specifically, the Unarmed Strike damage increases as the monk gains levels).
The way I think of the differences between a slam and anunarmed strike is comparing a monk with a gorilla.
The gorilla just goes all in with its mass, relying on its strength alone, while the monk is trained so he can recover quickly and go onto the next attack, allowing for iteratives and TWF.
Anyway, for DR- slam MIGHT work better with DR, due to a natural attack rule. Under this rule, if you have only a single natural weapon, you get x1.5 strength and power attack damage (similar to two handing, really). More damage in a single hit means more to get past DR.
Of course, having only a single attack is a problem in an of itself when compared to the full iteratives of a monk's flurry. But there are various ways to get extra attacks from that one natural weapon. So if you are using an animal companion or eidolon, it is actually a rather viable style.
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The primary effect of Slam is not in the least superficial but rather quite important regarding Damage Reduction.
Slam is general for any Natural Bludgeoning attack
Claws are slashinng, and Bites are normally considered all three vs DR. Dont let the generalizations stop you from looking at the other forms of damage as well.
Any Physical damage is 1 of the three and it can matter a lot.
Claws are slashing and bludgeoning Damage
Bite is slashing piercing and bludgeoning.
Always hilarious when someone comes in 6+ years after the last post and says something categorically wrong.