Oracle - Probably the most misnamed class I have seen, I know that every time I ever introduce a new player to Pathfinder I will have to explain that this class is not, in fact, a divine, er, diviner.

Actually, the Oracle is quite correctly named. The Oracle of Delphi was named such not because she was considered a diviner, but that she was a voice for the Gods. The Oracle class is frequently someone who has found within herself a direct expression of divine forces...frequently without her consent.

A summary of the last 12 pages.

Whoa, no one said Elric? Even as a joke?

O_o

Sword and Spells (and synonyms aplenty) for my lord Mona !

Whoa, no one said Elric? Even as a joke?

O_o

Sword and Spells (and synonyms aplenty) for my lord Mona !

I believe Elric is there in the list.

Let's just call him Bob.

"Hi, I'm Bob. I come from a long line of Bobs."

Warder is missing. And yes, someone said Elric.

Still thinks Oracle wasn't a good choice based on clear meaning and usage, but has learned to live with it.

Still thinks Oracle wasn't a good choice based on clear meaning and usage, but has learned to live with it.

I am completely with you

Er, potato, tomato? Haven't read WoT in the last few years.

I stopped following parts of the thread once it devolved into, such and such is awesome because...

So I apologize if I suggest a name that has already been offered. I have three last minute suggestions. I was trying to think of something that would be readily identifiable and I tried to stick with more easily recognizable names.

#1: Wayfarer - I understand it doesn't clearly mean Sword and Spell awesomeness as some would prefer, but I like the pseudo-synonymous flavor of it with the name of the game, Pathfinder.

#2: Daemoni - I like this name, but I think it would need more of a thematic element, like the characters internal Daemon granting it spells akin to the Witch class and her familiar. (i.e. Not a generic, catch-all sword and spell guy)

This one is my favorite because of its simplicity.
#3: Gemini - I understand people may balk at the Astrological term, but it fits with what we are doing, balancing two forces or melding magic and martial. I can see Gemnai possibly replacing Gish as a colloquialism.

Gemini

Not bad! This one's got some nostalgia cred going for it as well -- there was a warlike wizard named Gemini on the old "Thundarr the Barbarian" cartoon, IIRC.

The only problem is, I'd hate to have someone ask, "what are you playing?" and I reply "he's a Gemini," and then they spend the rest of the game asking for his phone number or offering to buy him a drink.

Janus?

A summary of the last 12 pages.

Ooo. Thanks for the handy compilation, Sagawork.

A summary of the last 12 pages.

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Ahh, good work there sagawork. :)

I'm in favour of Janissary, as suggested by Lilith back on page one.

I totally missed janissary. That name makes a lot of sense: an elite, quasi-monastic warrior in a unit with numerous, highly-trained specialists, whose military service is a path to a career as a statesman or scholar.

Thanks Sagawork Studios!

Looking over the list, it is clear that the names that really stand out are the ones that end in $$. I think whatever the class is named, it should use 'z's to replace 's's, have dollorsigns, hearts, or a smilly face, and include the the number 69.

Who wouldn't want to play a "BaDazz69 $hitkickR"?

It just screams awesome!

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

I'm in favour of Janissary, as suggested by Lilith back on page one.

I totally missed janissary. That name makes a lot of sense: an elite, quasi-monastic warrior in a unit with numerous, highly-trained specialists, whose military service is a path to a career as a statesman or scholar.

Might as well go with Praetorian then.

Janissary isn't really quasi-monastic at all. They're palace guards, not unlike the Varangians. You use foreigners to guard your throne, since they can't legally take it. Makes their power tenuous upon you holding the throne.

The list(revised for omissions and new additions):

Added Warder, removed a multiple Justicar, added Daemoni, Janus and Wayfarer.

EDIT: I'd like to add a link to each post but I fear that would do my head in. All I ask that if a name piques interest (for whatever reason), please take the time to search through the thread to find out why it was suggested. Most --if not all-- the authors have listed why they have suggested their respective names for Gish.

This one is my favorite because of its simplicity.
#3: Gemini - I understand people may balk at the Astrological term, but it fits with what we are doing, balancing two forces or melding magic and martial. I can see Gemnai possibly replacing Gish as a colloquialism.

As a shameless plug of my own, please refer to my most recent submission of Kiai and then have a look at the whole wiki entry.

I've got nothing at the moment....uh maybe Gishphon being 'Killer of Gish' in Greek or somesuch.
Warcaster...dammit, used by Privateer Press.

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My earlier submission was Dynamo(an engine or machine), not Dynamite. Otherwise, great work on the list!

My earlier submission was Dynamo(an engine or machine), not Dynamite. Otherwise, great work on the list!

Argh. I'll put that down to auto-correct or my being really tired when I was scouring the list. Sorry.

Okay, if anyone's posted anything really earth-shattering or amazing in the last two or three pages, I deeply apologize for not reading them, but after going through ten straight pages, my brain is about to melt out of my ears and/or eye sockets. Here are a couple I came up with, honorable mentions, and my favorites thus far.

Sabermancer - Narrowly dodges the "no compounds" rule and evokes both sides of the f/mu.

Magus, Mystic, Dragoon, Esper - My love for old console RPGs predisposes me towards these. ^_^

Alvar - sounds cool and fits thematically. Also gets bonus points for being the semi-sarcastic rejoinder to "why don't we just call it 'elf'?" and still getting so many votes.

Nuada - first king of the Tuatha Dé Danann. Him losing an arm and having it mystically replaced by a silver one seemed to evoke gishy imagery for me, though YMMV.

Gwydion - also hailing from Celtic mythology, was a trickster mage figure, though not a terribly nice guy. Chosen because I think "gwydion" sounds cool, and could be shortened to "gwyd," perhaps easing the transition from "gish."

Channeler, Conduit - Based on the idea that a spellsword type doesn't just wield blade and magic, she utilizes a fusion of these arts. The channeling capabilities were some of my favorite aspects of 3.5's Duskblade.

Vanquisher - conveys the impression that this character will use every resource at her disposal to decimate her foes. The choice of sword or spell is of little consequence; what matters is power.

Guerromancer - Adding a little multilingual spice. Aw yeah. :P

Stormbringer - Has relevance as a magic sword, wielded by a warrior/magic user, and sounds all ominous and bada$$ to boot. Should totally be a class feature, if nothing else.

My Favorites: Gemini & Athame. Words that already exist IRL, but don't come up, like, every five minutes in conversation. They sound cool and roll easily off the tongue, and convey, IMO, the dualistic nature of the f/mu without beating one over the head with it.

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My full name was not a suggestion.

I like the sound of Alvaren, better than Alvar, just like barbarian sounds better then barbar.......or Paladin better than just Palad.

Epic Meepo wrote:

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

I'm in favour of Janissary, as suggested by Lilith back on page one.

I totally missed janissary. That name makes a lot of sense: an elite, quasi-monastic warrior in a unit with numerous, highly-trained specialists, whose military service is a path to a career as a statesman or scholar.

Might as well go with Praetorian then.

Janissary isn't really quasi-monastic at all. They're palace guards, not unlike the Varangians. You use foreigners to guard your throne, since they can't legally take it. Makes their power tenuous upon you holding the throne.

Janissary just as palace guards? These soldiers were recruited by taking young boys mostly from christian families in Turk controlled lands, raised by the state and trained to be elite infantry with no loyalty other than the empire. After distinguished service they were often given post in the state aparate. They were really just nigh fanatical elites.

Stabracadabrist >:I

I wanted something with MANA.

Mana = magical energy

Ferrum = Iron, Sword [maybe sword iron?](Some internet latin translator I found)

Ferrumana = Iron sword magic?

Ferrumancer = Iron magic weaver?

Ferrumanist = One who uses iron mana? (Ferrumanaist?)

EDIT: Ferrumanator!!

I wanted something with MANA.

Mana = magical energy

Ferrum = Iron, Sword [maybe sword iron?](Some internet latin translator I found)

Ferrumana = Iron sword magic?

Ferrumancer = Iron magic weaver?

Ferrumanist = One who uses iron mana?

Maniac!

Studpuffin wrote:

Epic Meepo wrote:

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

I'm in favour of Janissary, as suggested by Lilith back on page one.

I totally missed janissary. That name makes a lot of sense: an elite, quasi-monastic warrior in a unit with numerous, highly-trained specialists, whose military service is a path to a career as a statesman or scholar.

Might as well go with Praetorian then.

Janissary isn't really quasi-monastic at all. They're palace guards, not unlike the Varangians. You use foreigners to guard your throne, since they can't legally take it. Makes their power tenuous upon you holding the throne.

Janissary just as palace guards? These soldiers were recruited by taking young boys mostly from christian families in Turk controlled lands, raised by the state and trained to be elite infantry with no loyalty other than the empire. After distinguished service they were often given post in the state aparate. They were really just nigh fanatical elites.

Right, same as the germanic palatine guards, or the varangians, the bodyguards of the Caliph, or the bodyguards of the Huang di, the Mamluks, the Ghulams or countless other bodyguards through out history. That doesn't make them monastic, it makes them different. It makes them incapable of being raised to a higher position of authority within the Empire.

The Ottomans were no exception. If the Janissaries had come from one source, say the Greeks instead also including Bulgarians, Italians, Armenians, Georgians, Russians, Serbians, Hungarians, Coptic Egyptians, Nestorian Mongols and Vlachs then maybe. The idea was to take someone who couldn't become Emperor/Sultan/Caliph legally (and therefore usurp your throne) and put them at the highest position of power. One that could only be given by the despot of that nation. It was a method that ensured their absolute loyalty to the sovereign.

This has repeated itself through out history, so I fail to see how you could describe them as monastic... I know I'm mostly repeating myself, but I feel that quite a few more examples of how they're not unique are in order.

I fail to see how you could describe them as monsatic.

Jannisary schools had strict regulations enforcing codes of religious adherence and self-denial, and their material wealth was technically owned by their corps, not by individual jannisaries. All of which parallel numerous monastic traditions. (These regulations ended up being ignored in practice at various points in history, but the ideal was there.)

Also, jannisary communities were modeled after communities of Sufi mystics, and jannisaries were expected to follow the dictates of the dervish saint, Hajji Bektash Wali. So in a manner of speaking, jannisaries were both mystics and dervishes as well as being soldiers.

Studpuffin wrote:

I fail to see how you could describe them as monsatic.

Jannisary schools had strict regulations enforcing codes of religious adherence and self-denial, and their material wealth was technically owned by their corps, not by individual jannisaries. All of which parallel numerous monastic traditions. (These regulations ended up being ignored in practice at various points in history, but the ideal was there.)

Also, jannisary communities were modeled after communities of Sufi mystics, and jannisaries were expected to follow the dictates of the dervish saint, Hajji Bektash Wali. So in a manner of speaking, jannisaries were both mystics and dervishes as well as being soldiers.

Since jannisaries received wages and could marry... They were brought up to be dependent only on the empire, but not to something that I'd call monastic. The jannisaries weren't meant to be removed from the world, gaining any mysterious powers or understandings that monastic orders try to achieve. They were just meant to be loyal beyond question.

Will the mini-cyclops use his Monacular vision to pick and reveal the name for this new super-badass class?

Today?

Studpuffin wrote:

I fail to see how you could describe them as monsatic.

Jannisary schools had strict regulations enforcing codes of religious adherence and self-denial, and their material wealth was technically owned by their corps, not by individual jannisaries. All of which parallel numerous monastic traditions. (These regulations ended up being ignored in practice at various points in history, but the ideal was there.)

Also, jannisary communities were modeled after communities of Sufi mystics, and jannisaries were expected to follow the dictates of the dervish saint, Hajji Bektash Wali. So in a manner of speaking, jannisaries were both mystics and dervishes as well as being soldiers.

Ninja'd by Zmar.

Epic Meepo wrote:

Studpuffin wrote:

I fail to see how you could describe them as monsatic.

Jannisary schools had strict regulations enforcing codes of religious adherence and self-denial, and their material wealth was technically owned by their corps, not by individual jannisaries. All of which parallel numerous monastic traditions. (These regulations ended up being ignored in practice at various points in history, but the ideal was there.)

Also, jannisary communities were modeled after communities of Sufi mystics, and jannisaries were expected to follow the dictates of the dervish saint, Hajji Bektash Wali. So in a manner of speaking, jannisaries were both mystics and dervishes as well as being soldiers.

Ninja'd by Zmar.

Ninja! ^^

EDIT: on a second thought Gurkha would be an excellent name for a Vudra themed class, but it would be a good name overall. We all know that this name is assiciated with warriors and the ability to perform unusual things.

Although I rather like Gurkha, it fails the G.I.S.H. — though not from lack of kukris!

So many names, such creativity...

How about

ARCATRUTZ - the syllables "arca" should be self-explaining, the word "trutz" is old German for "withstand" or "hard to break" (rather hard to explain, really). A "Trutzburg" was a kind of castle or keep built to last and withstand hordes of enemies.

BULVARC (or, to go a little Rammstein on the whole, BOLLWERK) - it's how we here in good old Germany often pronounce bulwark and I think it has a nice ring to it. Bollwerk would simply be the german equivalent.

POKUS - it's like Hokus, except it's got "poke" in it. >.<

THAUBER - loosely based on the german word for "spell" (Zauber). In german, it would be pronounced "tow-bare". Yeah, we're goofy like that.

More to come.

Biddlidorf

Smargnator

Fiffnran

Dobgot

Zerckx

Tordalindarionizzi (Italian ending)

Will the mini-cyclops use his Monacular vision to pick and reveal the name for this new super-badass class?

Today?

+1. I am super-tired of using Gish.

Auxmaulous wrote:

Will the mini-cyclops use his Monacular vision to pick and reveal the name for this new super-badass class?

Today?

+1. I am super-tired of using Gish.

Is the also any chance of seeing the names Paizo staff came up with?

Me too. Not that I'd freak out and gut anyone with my fish knife over it, but... oh, said too much, didn't I?

Auxmaulous wrote:

Will the mini-cyclops use his Monacular vision to pick and reveal the name for this new super-badass class?

Today?

+1. I am super-tired of using Gish.

Is the also any chance of seeing the names Paizo staff came up with?

That would be a nice bonus actually.....

On second thought they may not want to reveal all the potential names of the next 20 core/prestige classes they have slated on through to 2012.

A few more:

Although I rather like Gurkha, it fails the G.I.S.H. — though not from lack of kukris!

True, but automatic weapons surely count as magic in Golarion ;)

The connection was very vaugue at best.

seems to me that no matter what name Paizo comes up with for a new gush class, people will still use the term Gish

seems to me that no matter what name Paizo comes up with for a new gush class...

The new gush class is pornographic in the extreme and will not be released.

We apologize for any confusion.

=)

MerrikCale wrote:

seems to me that no matter what name Paizo comes up with for a new gush class...

The new gush class is pornographic in the extreme and will not be released.

We apologize for any confusion.

=)

Well, for many players it probably is a reason for wet dreams :D

Juggernaut

Well IMHO I can't say I don't like warlock but we are trying to get something new and intresting, same goes for dragoon since well at least me always remember a spear jumping dude when they say dragoon.

My suggestions still stand in:

1.- Mystic

2.- ArkKnight or Ark Knight (whatever sounds better)

3.- Templar

And I would like to know if it is at all possible to know if Erik Mona and James Jacobs have picked some already and tell us from there. Like getting a pool of names and we can know were we all stand more or less and maybe just help pick the best this way.

2.- ArkKnight or Ark Knight (whatever sounds better)

Dark Knight?

Here's some new ones:

berecal
ectifier
dexietinatiner
chring
guirfishfugin
harmantloons
shadularne
gradvelocatter
deploid
cognator
degentrian
quairfloreposs
grafformwarbon
framburgan
newlinuitor

... Yeah, I used a nonsense word generator.

I really like Mothman's suggestion of Crucible. Perfect for a class that is mixing two parts into a new whole.

How about:
Executor
Reaper