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I purchased the PDF version of the rulebook last year, and this year I obtained Foxit Reader which allows for adding notes, bookmarks, and hyperlinks to PDFs. I was wondering if Paizo would consider modifying their PDFs to allow for the addition of custom bookmarks and hyperlinks.
We have no plans for unlocking our PDFs for various security and other reasons.
I keep a companion text file with the same root name as each pdf. Notes regarding the pdf go in the text file. Its not perfect but its organized.
Sigurd
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Chief Technical Officer
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I purchased the PDF version of the rulebook last year, and this year I obtained Foxit Reader which allows for adding notes, bookmarks, and hyperlinks to PDFs. I was wondering if Paizo would consider modifying their PDFs to allow for the addition of custom bookmarks and hyperlinks.We have no plans for unlocking our PDFs for various security and other reasons.
We would *love* to allow that. Sadly, PDF security options don't currently offer us the ability to allow those kind of things without also allowing for extremely easy removal of our watermarks and other forms of protection.
Should Adobe's security controls ever attain the level of granularity we need to allow you to add notes and such while still offering us the protection we need, we'll do our best to allow it. (I'm not terribly hopeful.)
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Are you sure you can't save comments using Foxit? I tried this out with my Core Rulebook which I downloaded on Oct 28, 2009 and I was able to add comments. The version of Foxit Reader version showed that I could add comments. Oddly Adobe Reader wouldn't let me. This was the only security property that was shown differently between both programs.
Both programs show me that Adding Comments was a specific security option in the PDF file.
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To get around not being able to create your own bookmarks, I use the Sticky note feature built into Acrobat. Not sure if Reader or this Foxit program uses that, but its a great alternative. Plus you can add notes to it like you would a real sticky in a real book.
Although, the stickies would not carry over to newer versions of the PDF as they come in, but that's where those companion text files Sigurd mentioned come into play :)
What about image extraction? As it currently is the PDF settings do not allow for copying and pasting images. What are the chances of that being changed?
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What about image extraction? As it currently is the PDF settings do not allow for copying and pasting images. What are the chances of that being changed?
Image extraction works just fine, but you have to use Acrobat Reader 8
Use the select tool and click on the image you want, once it highlights just click and drag it to your desktop ... viola!
What about image extraction? As it currently is the PDF settings do not allow for copying and pasting images. What are the chances of that being changed?Image extraction works just fine, but you have to use Acrobat Reader 8
Use the select tool and click on the image you want, once it highlights just click and drag it to your desktop ... viola!
I'm using Reader 9 right now. Where can I find a download for Reader 88 and can it be installed on a machine without replacing 9?
I'm using Reader 9 right now. Where can I find a download for Reader 88 and can it be installed on a machine without replacing 9?What about image extraction? As it currently is the PDF settings do not allow for copying and pasting images. What are the chances of that being changed?Image extraction works just fine, but you have to use Acrobat Reader 8
Use the select tool and click on the image you want, once it highlights just click and drag it to your desktop ... viola!
You could install SomePDF Images Extract instead. It extracts all images for the pages you specify.
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I'm using Reader 9 right now. Where can I find a download for Reader 88 and can it be installed on a machine without replacing 9?What about image extraction? As it currently is the PDF settings do not allow for copying and pasting images. What are the chances of that being changed?Image extraction works just fine, but you have to use Acrobat Reader 8
Use the select tool and click on the image you want, once it highlights just click and drag it to your desktop ... viola!
You can get Adobe Reader 8 from Adobe here. (If you have a Mac, you have to claim you have OS X 10.4.11 to 10.5.5 in order to be offered 8.2, but it should work just fine with newer OSs.)
You can get Adobe Reader 8 from Adobe here. (If you have a Mac, you have to claim you have OS X 10.4.11 to 10.5.5 in order to be offered 8.2, but it should work just fine with newer OSs.)
Thanks Vic, that PDF Extractor program wasn't working all that well for me anyway.
Crud, Adobe won't let me install 8.2 on a system tahts already running 9. ARGH!!!
Crud, Adobe won't let me install 8.2 on a system tahts already running 9. ARGH!!!
Uninstall 9
I purchased the PDF version of the rulebook last year, and this year I obtained Foxit Reader which allows for adding notes, bookmarks, and hyperlinks to PDFs. I was wondering if Paizo would consider modifying their PDFs to allow for the addition of custom bookmarks and hyperlinks.We have no plans for unlocking our PDFs for various security and other reasons.We would *love* to allow that. Sadly, PDF security options don't currently offer us the ability to allow those kind of things without also allowing for extremely easy removal of our watermarks and other forms of protection.
Should Adobe's security controls ever attain the level of granularity we need to allow you to add notes and such while still offering us the protection we need, we'll do our best to allow it. (I'm not terribly hopeful.)
What does it matter, I see your game files all over the torrent lists, all de-watermarked. They also have programs that unlock PDF's as well. Although I have the rules, mine are watermarked with my name and legal. Just stating a fact....
Crud, Adobe won't let me install 8.2 on a system tahts already running 9. ARGH!!!Uninstall 9
If I do that, will I also be uninstalling premier and photoshop elements?
What does it matter, I see your game files all over the torrent lists, all de-watermarked. They also have programs that unlock PDF's as well. Although I have the rules, mine are watermarked with my name and legal. Just stating a fact....
It serves the same purpose as the locks on your house/apartment and padlocks.
It keeps the honest people honest.
Neither PDF security, nor padlocks and standard key & tumbler locks, will keep out the person with the interest and the right search engine phrase. But they do keep those that would not normally do such things from doing them without thought or intention.
Twin Agate Dragons, I can give you work around instructions if you want - but it involves burning a Live CD, and several time consuming steps.
Wait a moment...
You can do it in Foxit Reader, but it isn't as easy and you do not get the un-labeled image. I do not know if that is what you are going for.
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What does it matter, I see your game files all over the torrent lists, all de-watermarked. They also have programs that unlock PDF's as well. Although I have the rules, mine are watermarked with my name and legal. Just stating a fact....
So because people already steal from us, we should make it easier for people to steal from us?
Twin Agate Dragons, I can give you work around instructions if you want - but it involves burning a Live CD, and several time consuming steps.
Wait a moment...
You can do it in Foxit Reader, but it isn't as easy and you do not get the un-labeled image. I do not know if that is what you are going for.
Disregard.
You said you are on a Mac. I have nothing to help then.
It keeps the honest people honest.Honest people keep themselves honest.
-Skeld
If that were true, we wouldn't need locks of any kind.
It keeps the honest people honest.Honest people keep themselves honest.
-Skeld
Ok, so it keeps lazy people honest.
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If that were true, we wouldn't need locks of any kind.Honest people keep themselves honest.
-Skeld
Sure we would; we need locks for all the dishonest people. There are far more of them anyway. Honest people can't be a little bit dishonest. That's like being a little bit pregnant. Either you're honest or your not.
-Skeld; witty banter, all in good fun.
Since the user can't edit the PDF how about offering a "light" version that is text only for use on smart phones and e-readers.
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Since the user can't edit the PDF how about offering a "light" version that is text only for use on smart phones and e-readers.
Those users may wish to use the PRD.
Twin Agate Dragons, I can give you work around instructions if you want - but it involves burning a Live CD, and several time consuming steps.
Wait a moment...
You can do it in Foxit Reader, but it isn't as easy and you do not get the un-labeled image. I do not know if that is what you are going for.
Disregard.
You said you are on a Mac. I have nothing to help then.
If that were true, we wouldn't need locks of any kind.It keeps the honest people honest.Honest people keep themselves honest.
-Skeld
Padlocks don't keep honest people out. They keep dishonest people out.
Padlocks don't keep honest people out. They keep dishonest people out.
Considering padlocks can be bypassed with a tin can and a pair of scissors... Padlocks do not keep dishonest people out.
If that were true, we wouldn't need locks of any kind.Honest people keep themselves honest.
-Skeld
Sure we would; we need locks for all the dishonest people. There are far more of them anyway. Honest people can't be a little bit dishonest. That's like being a little bit pregnant. Either you're honest or your not.
-Skeld; witty banter, all in good fun.
So, to use D&D/PRPG terms, there is Lawful Good... And everything else?
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Since the user can't edit the PDF how about offering a "light" version that is text only for use on smart phones and e-readers.Those users may wish to use the PRD.
YEP! I use it a LOT! When I go to Society games I don't even bother with bringing my books along. Everything I need is right there in my hand. MOST times I can look up a rule much faster than someone with a book.
Vic, I know a way for Mac users to create a copy of the rules that can be edited. It does keep the image at the top with our email and such. But I don't want to post it here unless it is okay with you guys.
Won't post it, like I said unless that is okay with you. (If it were ME I would say "NO!!!!"- there is a REASON for those security measures!)
Twin Agate Dragons, I can give you work around instructions if you want - but it involves burning a Live CD, and several time consuming steps.
Wait a moment...
You can do it in Foxit Reader, but it isn't as easy and you do not get the un-labeled image. I do not know if that is what you are going for.
Disregard.
You said you are on a Mac. I have nothing to help then.
When did I ever say that? I've a great high end PC.
When did I ever say that? I've a great high end PC.
Oh. My mistake. I misread the discussion between you and Vic Wertz, where Mr. Wertz explains what you have to do if you have a Mac, as meaning you had a Mac. Then disregard the disregard.
Padlocks don't keep honest people out. They keep dishonest people out.Considering padlocks can be bypassed with a tin can and a pair of scissors... Padlocks do not keep dishonest people out.
Ok, they keep less skilled dishonest people out. :)
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Since the user can't edit the PDF how about offering a "light" version that is text only for use on smart phones and e-readers.There's a smart phone out there that doesn't have a fully functional PDF reader? OH MY! (GoodReader rules the iPhone!)
I'm not sure why you would want a PDF when the PRD is awesome. I can give you a custom search which will let you search it from Chrome or Firefox's search bars.
But IF you want a light PDF version here is an excellent one It's "PFRPG_SRD.pdf", now graphics, just black and white text. Much lighter/ quicker than the Paizo version.
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I'm not sure why you would want a PDF when the PRD is awesome. I can give you a custom search which will let you search it from Chrome or Firefox's search bars.
Because WIFI isn't available and 3g can be slow at times? Because data plans on smart phones are moving away from unlimited.
Not to mention having the bestiary in full colored PDF goodness can be handy. :)
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I'm not sure why you would want a PDF when the PRD is awesome. I can give you a custom search which will let you search it from Chrome or Firefox's search bars.Because WIFI isn't available and 3g can be slow at times? Because data plans on smart phones are moving away from unlimited.
Not to mention having the bestiary in full colored PDF goodness can be handy. :)
I thought the iPhone's awesomeness was internet everywhere ;) I was being flippant about using the PRD, I know you aren't always going to be connected or want to be connected.
Data Pricing and the PRD:Just FYI, a typical PRD page is < 250k, equivalent to about 1/4 second of a youtube video. Even with the lowest AT&T data plan that's less than $.02 per page view. With the $25/ month plan it's 1/3 cent per page view. Another way of looking at it is the 200 MB AT&T plan is 800 views of the PRD, and the 2GB plan is 8000 views.
Just a clarification for those that might misunderstand, that should read 800/8000 page views. Each time you load a page (click a link), it counts towards that number. You can't visit the PRD that many times and click as often as you like.
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What does it matter, I see your game files all over the torrent lists, all de-watermarked. They also have programs that unlock PDF's as well. Although I have the rules, mine are watermarked with my name and legal. Just stating a fact....
Really? cause I almost never see them, I mean I see some but not a lot. I sometimes check just to see, just like I check with a lot of other stuff. More curiosity to see than anything.
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Really? cause I almost never see them, I mean I see some but not a lot. I sometimes check just to see, just like I check with a lot of other stuff. More curiosity to see than anything.
No he's right. Paizo keeps throwing in all kinds of super secret ninja spy type thumbnailing to identify the purchasing account of all PDFs. That's right folks, if you share your pdfs Paizo will find out if they get into the wild. ;)
As a result, the guys who dewatermark are super thorough to keep their purchasing account from being banned.
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Really? cause I almost never see them, I mean I see some but not a lot. I sometimes check just to see, just like I check with a lot of other stuff. More curiosity to see than anything.No he's right. Paizo keeps throwing in all kinds of super secret ninja spy type thumbnailing to identify the purchasing account of all PDFs. That's right folks, if you share your pdfs Paizo will find out if they get into the wild. ;)
As a result, the guys who dewatermark are super thorough to keep their purchasing account from being banned.
Huh, i just rarely see them. Granted I don't check often but I do sometimes. I do know one guy who just refuses to pay for anything if he can avoid it and torrents... well everything. He has a pretty complete collection of 3.5e but less than half the paizo stuff. So that is part of my measuring stick. Listening to him brag about what he has stolen recently.
You can get Adobe Reader 8 from Adobe here. (If you have a Mac, you have to claim you have OS X 10.4.11 to 10.5.5 in order to be offered 8.2, but it should work just fine with newer OSs.)
Hmmmmm . . . I tried that, and it didn't work. I'm running Leopard 10.5.8, and it said "This version unsupported by this architecture."
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Hmmmmm . . . I tried that, and it didn't work. I'm running Leopard 10.5.8, and it said "This version unsupported by this architecture."
You can get Adobe Reader 8 from Adobe here. (If you have a Mac, you have to claim you have OS X 10.4.11 to 10.5.5 in order to be offered 8.2, but it should work just fine with newer OSs.)
That sounds like you may have selected a PowerPC version, but have an Intel processor, or vice versa.
If you have an Intel Mac, you want to tell Adobe you're using "Mac OS Intel 10.4.11 - 10.5.5" to get the 8.2 option, and if you have a PowerPC Mac, select "Mac OS PowerPC 10.4.11 - 10.5.5".
(If you don't know what architecture you have, select "About This Mac" from the Apple Menu. If you see the word "Intel" in the processor description, you have an Intel Mac. If you don't, you have a PowerPC.)
Never download a pirated PDF! That's a good way to get more than you bargained for. With all the vulnerabilities with Adobe you are just asking to exploited. As well if you run a Windows OS they hide file extension so that "product.pdf" could actually be "product.pdf.exe".
Seriously for how much the PDFs cost it's not worth downloading illegally.
Never download a pirated PDF! That's a good way to get more than you bargained for. With all the vulnerabilities with Adobe you are just asking to exploited. As well if you run a Windows OS they hide file extension so that "product.pdf" could actually be "product.pdf.exe".
Seriously for how much the PDFs cost it's not worth downloading illegally.
+1. Plus a few other reasons:
- It steals income from the artists who create, thus impeding their ability to create more. Why bother spending months of your time creating a game accessory if scumbag jerks are going to rip it off immediately because they're too cheap to pay a nominal fee for legal access?
- It is thievery, plain and simple. It might not be easy to get caught, but if you are there are penalties involved. Just ask that grandfather who was on the hook for all the illegal MP3s his grandkids downloaded on his comp.
- It is morally wrong to steal, whether it is a car or an idea. Just because something doesn't have physical mass doesn't mean it is less valuable. Intellectual property rights are just as important to protect as regular property rights.
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As well if you run a Windows OS they hide file extension so that "product.pdf" could actually be "product.pdf.exe".
Lol.. if you ask me, anyone pirating ANYTHING online that doesn't have a antivirus software AND doesn't have it set up to scan container files (.zip, .rar, etc.) deserves what they get. :)
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It is morally wrong to steal, whether it is a car or an idea. Just because something doesn't have physical mass doesn't mean it is less valuable. Intellectual property rights are just as important to protect as regular property rights.
I'm going to go ahead and partially disagree with you here with the proviso that I am NOT condoning or endorsing piracy of Paizo's products.
For purposes of intellectual discussion, I've got to object to your use of the word idea. I personally think that it's morally wrong to attempt to limit distribution of an idea artificially through the application of unnatural laws to an idea. By idea I mean precisely and exactly that: a concept, thought, principle, or philosophy. I do NOT mean intangibles such as artistic creation such as Paizo's work.
I violently oppose the idea of patent laws applied to ideas or methods. The concept of a fly-swatter should NEVER be possible to patent, for example. The concept of drilling holes in a flat thing so air passes through it so you can use it to swat flies... again, no patents should be permissible. If I can make and sell a similar device by reverse-engineering yours, let the marketplace decide. I am entirely tired of patents being granted for the modern equivalent of The Wheel and Fire, such as Amazon's SingleClick patent. It's obnoxious and it needs to stop.
That all being said, I support Paizo's right (both moral and legal) to control the distribution of the art they create, partially because they are very, very reasonable. Things like format-shifting a video or song I already own are reasonable, but the entertainment industry wishes us to believe otherwise. Things like duplicating the PDFs I buy and uploading them for anyone to download, purely to deprive Paizo of income... unreasonable.
So hey. My Paizo PDFs stay where they belong. I improvise fly-swatters when I need one, and I download MP3s of CDs I own because I refuse to buy them again in order to put them on my iPod. That's my $0.02 The end.
...and I download MP3s of CDs I own because I refuse to buy them again in order to put them on my iPod.You do realize that iTunesz will rip MP3s directly from the CDs, right?
Quite a bit of software will do exactly that. I see no particular reason to bother given many other people have done the labor already, and have even set the metadata accurately.
The point is interesting though. What's the difference between MP3s I rip myself and MP3s I download, as long as I already own the album.
But make things more complicated. Make it a DVD, being ripped for a media center PC. In the US, ripping a DVD is illegal since it involves circumventing DRM. Basically, the rights-holders have circumvented fair-use laws by slapping DRM on the data and lobbying the US government to establish special protections.
I'll say it again... I support Paizo and their business model. Literally. I even do things like deliberately buying my core rules books from my FLGS and buy the PDF online so by spending more I support both business models. (I don't subscribe to the core.) Paizo good. Media industry... not so good.
So my watermarked PDFs stay in my hands. But I reserve the common-sense right to rip a copy of Finding Nemo and hand it to my four-year-old instead of the original. When Little Jonny turns the platter into a skating rink, I can make another and the MPAA can bite me.