Shadow dancer's Shadow

[Magicdealer]

So, the shadowdancer gets, among other things, a shadow. The shadow is on page 245 of the bestiary.

The shadow has a melee attack:
incorporeal touch +4 (1d6 Strength damage)

Now, I want to know if this is a natural attack or one that would receive multiple attacks from having a high bab.

The shadow uses a shadowdancer's bab as its bab, and this could result in a shadow that has four iterative attacks, each dealing 1d6 str with no save.

That... could get nasty.

Some undead make attacks with weapons and so on.

I'm thinking not myself, but I didn't run across anything particularly definitive one way or the other.

Thoughts? Insights? Obvious entries that I overlooked?

:D

[Tanis]

natural attack.

if you look at the Greater Shadow entry it has a BAB of +6 and interestingly, uses its Dex mod of +5 for melee touch attacks without the benefit of weapon finesse, hmmm. Anyway, this gives it an attack bns of +11.

It's BAB of +6 should give it an extra attack but its melee attack entry says only one attack.

plus it'd be hella broken.

[Christina Morris]

Tanis wrote:

natural attack.

if you look at the Greater Shadow entry it has a BAB of +6 and interestingly, uses its Dex mod of +5 for melee touch attacks without the benefit of weapon finesse, hmmm.

That's because...

Pathfinder Bestiary wrote:

An incorporeal creature...has no Strength score, so its Dexterity modifier applies to its melee attacks, ranged attacks, and CMB.

[Magicdealer]

Excellent, thanks :)

[james maissen]

Magicdealer wrote:

The shadow has a melee attack:
incorporeal touch +4 (1d6 Strength damage)

Now, I want to know if this is a natural attack or one that would receive multiple attacks from having a high bab.

It's a natural attack.

You can get a ghost touch weapon for your pet shadow, and using that weapon it would get iterative attacks. Mind you they wouldn't deal the 1d6STR damage so it's not the best thing to do.

-James

[M P 433]

Could a shadow use a weapon with no STR to lift it?

Anyhoo, above posts cover your question.

[Rilie]

The shadow uses a shadowdancer's bab as its bab, and this could result in a shadow that has four iterative attacks, each dealing 1d6 str with no save.
This part of the question was never answered. I play a shadowdancer that has a +7/+2 bab and depending on judge if i get the iterative attacks or not

[james maissen]

Rilie wrote:

The shadow uses a shadowdancer's bab as its bab, and this could result in a shadow that has four iterative attacks, each dealing 1d6 str with no save.

This part of the question was never answered. I play a shadowdancer that has a +7/+2 bab and depending on judge if i get the iterative attacks or not

Wow, this is an old thread.

It was answered.. the shadow's attack is a natural attack, and as such do NOT get iterative attacks.

-James

[Rilie]

james maissen wrote:

Rilie wrote:

The shadow uses a shadowdancer's bab as its bab, and this could result in a shadow that has four iterative attacks, each dealing 1d6 str with no save.

This part of the question was never answered. I play a shadowdancer that has a +7/+2 bab and depending on judge if i get the iterative attacks or not

Wow, this is an old thread.

It was answered.. the shadow's attack is a natural attack, and as such do NOT get iterative attacks.

-James

damn missed that line thanks

[Knight Magenta]

Fun fact: If you get your shadow a +1 conductive ghost-touch weapon. Then you will be able to get your iterative attacks, your strength damage, and a chunk of regular damage :D.

[Ravingdork]

Provided it can hit with normal melee attacks rather than touch attacks.

[Stikye]

and provided a - str shadow can lift a weapon.