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Grand Lodge ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
JohnF wrote:


I can't help thinking that if 10% of the effort that is spent by users providing community support for features not found in the various free products were spent providing the same sort of thing for HeroLab it would be possible for a lot of people to get by with just the basic HeroLab package. It still wouldn't be free, but it wouldn't be $200, either.

John F. Hero Lab is NOT $200 dollars. Even if you order all the supplements which as a player you do not need, maybe as a GM you might, and that is a might. You would only be paying about $140 or there about, if you were the kind of person that wanted everything.

Lone Wolf has all kinds of price saving packages now... If need them all then take use of the packages. But keep in mind you can as a consumer of Hero Lab, add them in yourself with a little time and effort on your end and not have to pay any of the add-on fees at all. What you are paying for is for the Lone Wolf/Pathfinder team to take the time to add them in for you.

Grand Lodge **

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber
Deanoth wrote:
One thing you might want to keep in mind is that you do not HAVE to buy all the supplements for Hero Lab. If you buy the core rule set which is all you really need, you have the tools to do all the supplements that you can buy.

Exactly. I have a non-PFS PC that's a gnome with the trait Excitable from Gnomes of Golarion. As I'm not using anything else from that book, I just created the trait in the editor.

In most cases, the cost of the package is worth it, compared to the effort it would take to input everything I need; I can't imagine trying to recreate the gunslinger class from scratch, for example.

Andoran *** Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Seattle aka The Great Rinaldo!

JohnF wrote:
I'm eagerly awaiting a version of Hero Lab that runs on an Android tablet; we've got one because it's a lot easier to carry around than a stack of hardcover books.

In about six weeks, the first round of Windows 8 tablets will be out, which will be able to run Hero Lab in a nice small form factor. I can't wait!

JohnF wrote:
I personally wouldn't use it at the table as a character tracker, but I'm trying hard to reduce my table footprint. Most of the time I try and use just a 3x5 index card listing the most important numbers (attributes, skills, saving throw bonuses, and to hit and damage for the two or three most commonly-used forms of combat) - I've found that makes an amazing difference to how fast I can play most of the time!

On a related note, if you are not familiar with Perram's Spellbook, I highly recommend it for a fast, easy way to get handy notecards of your spells. My daughter has them cut out, and puts her prepared spells on the table, with the remainder in her character folder where she can get them to swap out as needed. I leave them on full sheets in a sheet protector, where I can note in wet erase marker what is prepared and then used.

Cheliax ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Modules Subscriber
JohnF wrote:


I don't have PDFs for some of the older Campaign Settings or Player Companions, so if I want to use anything from those (such as the 'Agile' weapon property from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide) I have to bring the actual resource with me. I may still scan & print a copy of a page as a reference, but as it isn't watermarked it doesn't count as proof of ownership.

That's not accurate, John.... Proof of ownership not required, providing a copy of the rule for GM review if needed is.

Grand Lodge ****

TetsujinOni wrote:
JohnF wrote:


I don't have PDFs for some of the older Campaign Settings or Player Companions, so if I want to use anything from those (such as the 'Agile' weapon property from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide) I have to bring the actual resource with me. I may still scan & print a copy of a page as a reference, but as it isn't watermarked it doesn't count as proof of ownership.
That's not accurate, John.... Proof of ownership not required, providing a copy of the rule for GM review if needed is.

Only because The Pathfinder Society Field Guide falls under core assumptions.

Shadow Lodge *** Venture-Lieutenant, California—Silicon Valley aka JohnF

Deanoth wrote:
JohnF wrote:


I can't help thinking that if 10% of the effort that is spent by users providing community support for features not found in the various free products were spent providing the same sort of thing for HeroLab it would be possible for a lot of people to get by with just the basic HeroLab package. It still wouldn't be free, but it wouldn't be $200, either.

John F. Hero Lab is NOT $200 dollars. Even if you order all the supplements which as a player you do not need, maybe as a GM you might, and that is a might. You would only be paying about $140 or there about, if you were the kind of person that wanted everything.

Lone Wolf has all kinds of price saving packages now... If need them all then take use of the packages. But keep in mind you can as a consumer of Hero Lab, add them in yourself with a little time and effort on your end and not have to pay any of the add-on fees at all. What you are paying for is for the Lone Wolf/Pathfinder team to take the time to add them in for you.

You might want to check your figures again.

If you bought everything piecemeal, you'd be up to $195 by now. By taking advantage of the bundle pricing on packages, you could save $20. Leaving off the Bestiaries ($30) still leaves you with $145, although a lot of players with mounts, familiars, animal companions, summoning spells, wild shape and the like probably want at least one of those books.

In any case, I'm not the one complaining Hero Lab is too expensive. I'll happily pay Rob and his squirrels to do data entry for me.

Cheliax ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Modules Subscriber

No, sveden, because the campaign staff has said so. Providing a copy of the rule source is for the table GM to be able to adjudicate, not to provide proof of ownership.

Photocopies and printouts of other people's watermarks have both been cited as legal.

Handing someone my tablet so she could use it at the table would be fine.

Really, this conversation happens again and again with people reading things into the GtPFSOP that just aren't there.

Shadow Lodge *** Venture-Lieutenant, California—Silicon Valley aka JohnF

sveden wrote:
TetsujinOni wrote:
JohnF wrote:


I don't have PDFs for some of the older Campaign Settings or Player Companions, so if I want to use anything from those (such as the 'Agile' weapon property from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide) I have to bring the actual resource with me. I may still scan & print a copy of a page as a reference, but as it isn't watermarked it doesn't count as proof of ownership.
That's not accurate, John.... Proof of ownership not required, providing a copy of the rule for GM review if needed is.
Only because The Pathfinder Society Field Guide falls under core assumptions.

Yeah - bad example. Let's say instead I want to use a prestige class from "Paths of Prestige", or something from "Faiths of Purity".

Guide to Organised Play wrote:
In order to utilize content from an Additional Resource, a player must have a physical copy of the Additional Resource in question, a name-watermarked Paizo PDF of it, or a printout of the relevant pages from it.

Photocopies of pages from books, printouts from the PRD (or any third-party site), etc. don't qualify.

Grand Lodge ****

TetsujinOni wrote:

No, sveden, because the campaign staff has said so. Providing a copy of the rule source is for the table GM to be able to adjudicate, not to provide proof of ownership.

Photocopies and printouts of other people's watermarks have both been cited as legal.

Handing someone my tablet so she could use it at the table would be fine.

Really, this conversation happens again and again with people reading things into the GtPFSOP that just aren't there.

Yes, this does seem to occur over and over doesn't it?

Cheliax ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Modules Subscriber
JohnF wrote:
sveden wrote:
TetsujinOni wrote:
JohnF wrote:


I don't have PDFs for some of the older Campaign Settings or Player Companions, so if I want to use anything from those (such as the 'Agile' weapon property from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide) I have to bring the actual resource with me. I may still scan & print a copy of a page as a reference, but as it isn't watermarked it doesn't count as proof of ownership.
That's not accurate, John.... Proof of ownership not required, providing a copy of the rule for GM review if needed is.
Only because The Pathfinder Society Field Guide falls under core assumptions.

Yeah - bad example. Let's say instead I want to use a prestige class from "Paths of Prestige", or something from "Faiths of Purity".

Guide to Organised Play wrote:
In order to utilize content from an Additional Resource, a player must have a physical copy of the Additional Resource in question, a name-watermarked Paizo PDF of it, or a printout of the relevant pages from it.

Photocopies of pages from books, printouts from the PRD (or any third-party site), etc. don't qualify.

Done looking form threads up for people for the day, but Mike Brock has cited photocopies as legal already.

***** Venture-Lieutenant, Georgia—Atlanta aka CRobledo

I also don't want to look for it (next time someone links it I promise to favorite it) but agree with Tetsujin that leadership has stated in the past that photocopies are fine, as well as other scenarios such as couples sharing books.

Shadow Lodge *** Venture-Lieutenant, California—Silicon Valley aka JohnF

CRobledo wrote:
I also don't want to look for it (next time someone links it I promise to favorite it) but agree with Tetsujin that leadership has stated in the past that photocopies are fine, as well as other scenarios such as couples sharing books.

A specific quote about couples sharing the same book can be found here. Mike Brock also says that photocopies would be OK in that case, but again that's specifically restricted to couples.

He's also said in the past that a group of friends playing at the same table can share resources, but that if they are at different tables they would be expected to each have their own copy.

Grand Lodge ****

CRobledo wrote:
I also don't want to look for it (next time someone links it I promise to favorite it) but agree with Tetsujin that leadership has stated in the past that photocopies are fine, as well as other scenarios such as couples sharing books.

Photocopies of materials they own, that is. ;)

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Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber
lonewolf-rob wrote:
I think the single biggest negative of laptops is the physical barrier it creates. That's why we're focusing heavily on tablet development right now for Hero Lab. Tablets grant all the benefits of the small form factor and instant calculations, but without the physical barrier.

I +1'd the thread, but quoting for emphasis. I can't wait for the tablet version, because I really don't like laptops, or GM screens or other table barriers.

As for the price, 180 all at once is steep, but I've bought a bit here and a bit there and slowly have accumulated a collection.

My only beef is actually with the license management site, I would probably impulse buy if it saved my credit card instead of making me dig it up an enter it every time.

Shadow Lodge *** Venture-Lieutenant, California—Silicon Valley aka JohnF

TetsujinOni wrote:
Really, this conversation happens again and again with people reading things into the GtPFSOP that just aren't there.

I've quoted the section of the GtPFSOP that gives the explicit list of requirements; I don't think I'm reading anything into the guide that isn't there. I've also provided a link to a quote from Mike Brock that does allow photocopies, but only under very specific circumstances.

It's quite possible that there is a different FAQ posting, rules clarification on the forums, etc. that is more permissive. But I, too, am done looking up posts for other people.

Lantern Lodge ***

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
The Great Rinaldo! wrote:
JohnF wrote:
I'm eagerly awaiting a version of Hero Lab that runs on an Android tablet; we've got one because it's a lot easier to carry around than a stack of hardcover books.
In about six weeks, the first round of Windows 8 tablets will be out, which will be able to run Hero Lab in a nice small form factor. I can't wait!

Keep in mind that what the tablets are running is what used to be known as "Metro". Which is distinct and separate from the Desktop part of Windows 8 that would be the evolution of Windows 7. You're not going to be able to put your existing Herolab software on the new tablets any more than you could just copy it to an iPad and expect it to run.

Andoran *****

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
The Great Rinaldo! wrote:
In about six weeks, the first round of Windows 8 tablets will be out, which will be able to run Hero Lab in a nice small form factor. I can't wait!

Just so you are aware there are 2 version of the Surface coming out..

Windows RT Surface version with the ARM Chip, which will not be able to run Herolabs and the more expensive Windows 8 Pro Surface with x86 chip which will be able to Run HeroLabs.

Grand Lodge ***

harmor wrote:
HeroLab should have a link inside the app to buy a resource btw...maybe Pazio will give you a kickback?

It does provide an entry for the sourcebook of any given item. I don't think I'd like to have a link though, especially if it turns out it's something I can't actually buy (in hardcopy).

Chris Mullican wrote:
A feature I requested on HL forums, and one I would like, is for it to print a list of all of the sources it gets everything from for a character. It would be very nice so that in PFS you could audit someones character easier or so they know where everything comes from.

I would love this feature! Especially if it provided a list of page numbers of sources used as well for the purpose of printing/copying for use at the table.


For those concerned about the price, don't forget that the base price gets you TWO licenses, and for only $10 you can get a third. This is meant so that you can put it on multiple computers you own, but you can just as easily go in with a friend and split the cost between you.

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For those with non-Windows based Tablets, if you have an internet connection when playing, you can remote control your PC desktop at home that runs HeroLab.

Lantern Lodge ***

Best program I know for this would e one known as LogMeIn. I've done this.

Lantern Lodge ***

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
harmor wrote:
For those with non-Windows based Tablets, if you have an internet connection when playing, you can remote control your PC desktop at home that runs HeroLab.

Have you actually tried this out for practical use? or are you just theorycrafting? Given that most tablets are Wifi driven, many public access points are probably firewalled on all but the essential ports needed. Not to mention the real bandwidth issues involved. I do remote access on PC's all day through wired networks so I do have some idea of what's involved. And I do this from a PC. Trying to run a Windows or Mac from a slow terminal where you're restricted to finger pointing isn't going to be as trivial as you seem to think it is.


LazarX wrote:
harmor wrote:
For those with non-Windows based Tablets, if you have an internet connection when playing, you can remote control your PC desktop at home that runs HeroLab.
Have you actually tried this out for practical use? or are you just theorycrafting?

I haven't tried this myself, but a number of Hero Lab users have had very positive things to say about this technique. They have all cited SplashTop as the best tool for the task, but it appears LogMeIn works as well based on the post above.

I just did a quick search for SplashTop here on the Paizo forums and found a number of these posts. If you have questions about any potential issues with this approach, I recommend contacting the users who made those posts for their opinions. However, the ones I saw all sounded very positive.

Hope this helps!

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Pawns, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

The current development version of PCGen went Beta last week.

I encourage everyone to try it out and help with the bug hunting!

Andoran *** Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Seattle aka The Great Rinaldo!

Dragnmoon wrote:
The Great Rinaldo! wrote:
In about six weeks, the first round of Windows 8 tablets will be out, which will be able to run Hero Lab in a nice small form factor. I can't wait!

Just so you are aware there are 2 version of the Surface coming out..

Windows RT Surface version with the ARM Chip, which will not be able to run Herolabs and the more expensive Windows 8 Pro Surface with x86 chip which will be able to Run HeroLabs.

There will be a number of Win 8 tablets running the full desktop version of Win 8 available from various manufacturers. Those are the ones I plan to get.

Andoran *****

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
The Great Rinaldo! wrote:
There will be a number of Win 8 tablets running the full desktop version of Win 8 available from various manufacturers. Those are the ones I plan to get.

I have seen a number of rumors and leaks of companies maybe making an x86 version, but as far as I am aware only Microsoft as actually Announced one.

Who announced one?

Grand Lodge ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
JohnF wrote:


You might want to check your figures again.

If you bought everything piecemeal, you'd be up to $195 by now. By taking advantage of the bundle pricing on packages, you could save $20. Leaving off the Bestiaries ($30) still leaves you with $145, although a lot of players with mounts, familiars, animal companions, summoning spells, wild shape and the like probably want at least one of those books.

In any case, I'm not the one complaining Hero Lab is too expensive. I'll happily pay Rob and his squirrels to do data entry for me.

Prices listed. Pulled directly from the Lone Wolf Web Site:
Core Packages

The Advanced Player's Guide contains the new classes, alternate racial traits, archetypes, feats, spells, and more from the Advanced Player's Guide. ($9.99)
The Advanced Race Guide contains the new alternate racial traits, favored class bonuses, archetypes, feats, spells, equipment, and more from the Advanced Race Guide. ($9.99)
Ultimate Combat includes new classes, archetypes, feats, spells, equipment, variant rules and more from the Ultimate Combat supplement. ($9.99)
Ultimate Magic contains the new Magus class, archetypes, feats and spells from the Ultimate Magic supplement. ($9.99)
Coming Soon: Ultimate Equipment, to be released in late September / October, will contain the weapons, armor, gear, and magic items from the Ultimate Equipment supplement. ($9.99)

Bestiary Packages

The Bestiary Bundle combines the "Bestiary 1", "Bestiary 2", and "Bestiary 3" packages into one bundle for a discounted cost. Get all three for 15% off!! ($29.99)
Pathfinder Bestiary 1 includes over 275 new races from the Pathfinder Bestiary, ready to be incorporated into your games. Perfect for GMs, this package includes all the races from the Bestiary, allowing you to quickly create customized monster NPCs. ($14.99)
Pathfinder Bestiary 2 adds over 300 new races, abilities and templates from the Pathfinder Bestiary 2, fully integrated with Hero Lab. ($9.99)
Pathfinder Bestiary 3 adds over 250 new races, abilities and templates from the Pathfinder Bestiary 3, fully integrated with Hero Lab. ($9.99)

Player Companion Packages

The Player Companion Bundle combines the "Adventurer's Armory", "Player Companion Races #1", "Player Companion Races #2", "Player Companion Regions #1", and "Player Companion Regions #2" packages into one bundle for a discounted cost. Get 5 for the price of 4! ($19.99)
Adventurer's Armory incorporates all of the material from the Adventurer's Armory supplement for Pathfinder. ($4.99)
Player Companion Races #1 incorporates all of the material from the first three Player Companion supplements focused on races: Elves of Golarion, Dwarves of Golarion, and Gnomes of Golarion. ($4.99)
Player Companion Races #2 provides the content from the following four Player Companion supplements focused on races: Orcs of Golarion, Goblins of Golarion, Halflings of Golarion, and Humans of Golarion. ($4.99)
Player Companion Regions #1 includes all material from the first three Player Companion books focused on regions: Osirion, Land of the Pharaohs; Taldor, Echoes of Glory; and Qadira, Gateway to the East. ($4.99)
Player Companion Regions #2 spans the content from the second three Player Companion books focused on regions: Cheliax, Empire of Devils; Andoran, Spirit of Liberty; and Sargava, the Lost Colony. ($4.99)
Golarion #1 contains material from the Inner Sea Primer, Faiths of Purity, and Faiths of Balance. ($4.99)
Golarion #2 contains material from Faiths of Corruption, Dragon Empires Primer, and Pirates of the Inner Sea. ($4.99)
Golarion #3 contains material from Blood of Fiends, Blood of Angels, and Varisia: Birthplace of Legends. ($4.99)

Campaign Setting Packages

The Campaign Setting Bundle combines the "Campaign Setting #1-5" packages into one bundle for a discounted cost. Get 5 for the price of 4! ($19.99)
Campaign Setting #1 includes Classic Monsters Revisited, Guide to Darkmoon Vale, Gods & Magic, Into the Darklands, and Dark Markets: A Guide to Katapesh. ($4.99)
Campaign Setting #2 contains Dragons Revisited, Dungeon Denizens Revisited, Seekers of Secrets: A Guide to the Pathfinder Society, and The Great Beyond. ($4.99)
Campaign Setting #3 holds content from Book of the Damned Volume 1: Princes of Darkness, Cities of Golarion, Classic Horrors Revisited, Guide to the River Kingdoms, and Classic Treasures Revisted. ($4.99)
Campaign Setting #4 includes material from the Faction Guide, Heart of the Jungle, City of Strangers, and Misfit Monsters Redeemed. ($4.99)
Campaign Setting #5 includes material from Book of the Damned Volume 2: Lords of Chaos, Lost Cities of Golarion, the Rival Guide, and Undead Revisited. ($4.99)
Campaign Setting #6 contains content from Dungeons of Golarion, the Pathfinder Society Field Guide, and Inner Sea Magic. ($4.99)
Campaign Setting #7 contains content from Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Book of the Damned Volume 3: Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Dragon Empires Gazetteer, Mythical Monsters Revisited, Distant Worlds, and Isles of the Shackles. ($4.99)
Campaign Setting #8 contains content from Giants Revisited, Lost Kingdoms, and Magnimar: City of Monuments. (Paths of Prestige will also be added to the package as soon as we have it available - we're currently estimating that will happen sometime in October.) ($4.99)

All of which equals $169.86. If you add the Ultimate Equipment guide which is not out yet for HL but will be shortly it then equals $179.85

This is by the package and not piece meal. Buying the package is ultimately cheaper. And in the long run easier. I paid full price for all the supplements because I am buying them as they came out. So my math is not as far off as you mentioned :)


[QUOTE="Dragnmoon"I have seen a number of rumors and leaks of companies maybe making an x86 version, but as far as I am aware only Microsoft as actually Announced one.

Who announced one?

It looks like Asus will have one, according to leaked info I saw on ZDNet. But nothing has been formally announced by Asus as far as I can tell. There was another company in the same boat, but I can't remember who it was. I'm sure there are at least a half-dozen companies seriously considering this, but, like you, I haven't seen a formal announcement from anyone yet.

Now that Microsoft has (finally) officially announced the release date of Windows 8, we can probably start to expect companies to make announcements over the next month or so. It will definitely be interesting to see how things actually unfold. :)

Grand Lodge ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Ultimate Equipment is now added to Hero Labs! :)
They are making tons of improvements to Hero Lab to make it more up to par with what Paizo wants to be able to use it in house.

Andoran ***

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Deanoth wrote:

Ultimate Equipment is now added to Hero Labs! :)

They are making tons of improvements to Hero Lab to make it more up to par with what Paizo wants to be able to use it in house.

I should go over to the Lone Wolf forums and say this, but I love how they have finally gotten equipment organized in the buy area, by slot. Nummy.

Grand Lodge ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I can totally agree with this. They are making it more and more in line with what Paizo wants for their in house software and it in turn is becoming that much better for us too! :)


kinevon wrote:
I should go over to the Lone Wolf forums and say this, but I love how they have finally gotten equipment organized in the buy area, by slot. Nummy.

Yea, they finally caught up with PCGen in that regard! Just kidding Rob :)

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sveden wrote:
CRobledo wrote:
I also don't want to look for it (next time someone links it I promise to favorite it) but agree with Tetsujin that leadership has stated in the past that photocopies are fine, as well as other scenarios such as couples sharing books.
Photocopies of materials they own, that is. ;)

As much as Sveden and I like to butt heads on other topics, the fact is you really *do* want to have your own copies of this stuff, especially if you're going to the cons and larger events. I have it on pretty good authority that getting your hand caught in the cookie jar (using a copy of someone else's PDF to validate your character) can have some pretty strong consequences. I'm sure there's a lot of "What if" scenarios that would probably never trigger an issue...but I'd rather we stay away form those. As a wise man once said, "There's never a good answer to a wrong question." Asking exactly what players can and cannot get away with in terms of books they need to buy to support their characters is in this category.

Paizo is a business and the more books that are bought (especially for PFS) serves to help support our favorite version of organzied play and let it grow. As an organizer, I don't see myself as the copyright police, par se. But, I give up many man hours worth a lot of money to support organized play. I don't believe its too much to ask that people who want to build characters using optional materials pony up the $10/pdf (give or take). I may declare that character ineligable for play, they will have to run a pre-gen to stay, and if they repeat the infraction after a warning, I will report it to Mike.

Yeah, I'm mean. But, seriously, this is a community effort and we all need to help pitch in and support the very hard work that the boys and girls at Paizo do to bring us this awesome game.

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Anyone tried https://join.me/? I only use it between PCs.

Grand Lodge **

I have...between PCs. Not as good as LogMeIn (though its made by the same people) and is designed, really, for giving presentations to multiple people. However, for a quick way to connect to people's PCs to help them with something, or show your remote players what you're looking at in herolabs or maptools, it does the job.

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