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houstonderek wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

I wasn't sure where to put this.

As a progressive, Obama hews to the Wilsonian tradition

You mean good old "The Constitution is a hindrance to Progress" Wilson?

Yup!

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Hey BT, either you play WoW, or I ran into another gaming minarchist on my server lol.


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Hey BT, either you play WoW, or I ran into another gaming minarchist on my server lol.

Cool! Nope, I've never played WoW though.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Hey BT, either you play WoW, or I ran into another gaming minarchist on my server lol.
Cool! Nope, I've never played WoW though.

Damn, that woulda been a hell of a coincidence.


The financial-reform bill that hits the president's desk this week is a 2,500-page failure that will only create more problems for federal regulators, argues former SEC Chairman Harvey L. Pitt.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
The financial-reform bill that hits the president's desk this week is a 2,500-page failure that will only create more problems for federal regulators, argues former SEC Chairman Harvey L. Pitt.

OK so if I read this correctly the former head of the SEC is pretty much saying that the new regulations are essentially a big game of pretend. The SEC is told to regulate all sorts of financial firms and is given vast new powers but is intentionally not given the tools to actually perform that regulation so as to avoid angering such firms and there all important campaign contributions.


Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
The financial-reform bill that hits the president's desk this week is a 2,500-page failure that will only create more problems for federal regulators, argues former SEC Chairman Harvey L. Pitt.
OK so if I read this correctly the former head of the SEC is pretty much saying that the new regulations are essentially a big game of pretend. The SEC is told to regulate all sorts of financial firms and is given vast new powers but is intentionally not given the tools to actually perform that regulation so as to avoid angering such firms and there all important campaign contributions.

Yes, your observations about our regulatory structure are sounding more valid all the time.

On another note I think the entire bill is poorly crafted and poorly targeted. I love how they claim the couldn't address GSEs in this 2500 page law.

The lack of news coverage about this law is disturbing as well.


I a still baffled by people putting their faith in corrupt and incompetent government.

Undistributed Food Going To Waste In Haiti, CNN Reports


War after war after war

Death and madness

Was it all worth it?

Sabaton - The Price of a Mile

lyrics:
The Price Of A Mile Lyrics

Throw your soldiers into positions once there is no escape, and they will prefer death to flight.

Hear the sound of the machine gun
Hear it echo in the night
Mortars firing, rains the scene
Scars the fields that once were green
It's a stalemate at the front line
Where the soldiers rest in mud
Rosen houses, all is gone
There's no glory to be won

Know that many men will suffer
know that many men will die
Half a million lives at stake
At the fields of Paschendale
And as night falls the general calls and the battle carries on
I long what is the purpose of it all
What's the price of a mile

Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army on the march
Long way from home, paying the price in young mens lives
Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army in despair
Knee-deep in mud, stuck in the trench with no way out

Thousands of machine guns
Get on firing through the night
Mortars placed and wreck the scene
Guns the fields that once were green
Still a dead-lock at the front line
Where the soldiers die in mud
Rosen, houses since long gone
Still no glory has been won

Know that many men has suffered
Know that many men has died
Six miles of ground has been won
Half a million men are gone
And as the men crawl the general call and the killing carry on
I long what was the purpose of it all
What's the price of a mile

Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army on the march
Long way from home, paying the price in young mens lives
Thousands of feat march to the beat, it's an army in despair
Knee-deep in mud, stuck in the trench with no way out

Young men are dying
They pay the price
Oh how they suffer
So tell me what's the price of a mile

That's the price of a mile

Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army on the march
Long way from home, paying the price in young mens lives
Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army in despair
Knee-deep in mud, stuck in the trench with no way out

Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army on the march
Long way from home, paying the price in young mens lives
Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army in despair
Knee-deep in mud, stuck in the trench with no way out

Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army on the march
Long way from home, paying the price in young mens lives
Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army in despair
Knee-deep in mud, stuck in the trench with no way out

Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army on the march
Long way from home, paying the price in young mens lives
Thousands of feet march to the beat, it's an army in despair
Knee-deep in mud, stuck in the trench with no way out

Iron Maiden - Passchendaele

lyrics:
In a foreign field he lay
lonely soldier unknown grave
on his dying words he prays
tell the world of Paschendale

Relive all that he's been through
last communion of his soul
rust your bullets with his tears
let me tell you 'bout his years

Laying low in a blood filled trench
killing time 'til my very own death
on my face I can feel the falling rain
never see my friends again
in the smoke in the mud and lead
the smell of fear and the feeling of dread
soon be time to go over the wall
rapid fire and the end of us all

Whistles, shouts and more gun-fire
lifeless bodies hang on barbed wire
battlefield nothing but a bloody tomb
be reunited with my dead friends soon
many soldiers eighteen years
drowned in mud, no more tears
surely a war no one can win
killing time about to begin

Home, far away. From the war, a chance to live again
Home, far away. But the war, no chance to live again

The bodies of ours and our foes
the sea of death it overflows
in no-man's land God only knows
into jaws of death we go...

Crucified as if on a cross
allied troops, they mourn their loss
German war propaganda machine
such before has never been seen
swear I heard the angels cry
pray to God no more may die
so that people know the truth
tell the tale of Paschendale

Cruelty has a human heart
every man does play his part
terror of the men we kill
the human heart is hungry still

I stand my ground for the very last time
gun is ready as I stand in line
nervous wait for the whistle to blow
rush of blood and over we go...

Blood is falling like the rain
its crimson cloak unveils again
the sound of guns can't hide their shame
and so we die in Paschendale

Dodging shrapnel and barbed wire
running straight at canon fire
running blind as I hold my breath
say a prayer symphony of death
as we charge the enemy lines
a burst of fire and we go down
I choke I cry but no one hears
feel the blood go down my throat

Home, far away. From the war, a chance to live again
Home, far away. But the war, no chance to live again
Home, far away. From the war, a chance to live again
Home, far away. But the war, no chance to live again

See my spirit on the wind
across the lines beyond the hill
friend and foe will meet again
those who died at Paschendale

Battle of Passchendaele-wiki

It's hard to believe we haven't exterminated ourselves yet.


Bitter Thorn wrote:

War after war after war

Death and madness

Was it all worth it?

This quote seems appropriate....

"Peace is the name of the ideal we deduce from the fact that there have been interludes between wars." - John Christian Falkenberg, The Mercenary by Jerry Pournelle


Orthos wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

War after war after war

Death and madness

Was it all worth it?

This quote seems appropriate....

"Peace is the name of the ideal we deduce from the fact that there have been interludes between wars." - John Christian Falkenberg, The Mercenary by Jerry Pournelle

Like I said, "It's hard to believe we haven't exterminated ourselves yet.".


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

War after war after war

Death and madness

Was it all worth it?

This quote seems appropriate....

"Peace is the name of the ideal we deduce from the fact that there have been interludes between wars." - John Christian Falkenberg, The Mercenary by Jerry Pournelle

Like I said, "It's hard to believe we haven't exterminated ourselves yet.".

Yeah, for some reason the quote cut off that line....

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Small boobs encourage pedophelia according to Australian lawmakers

Apparently women need to have at least what? C? D? cup boobs or she might as well be a kid. Ridiculous.


Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Small boobs encourage pedophelia according to Australian lawmakers

Apparently women need to have at least what? C? D? cup boobs or she might as well be a kid. Ridiculous.

*facepalm*

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Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Small boobs encourage pedophelia according to Australian lawmakers

Apparently women need to have at least what? C? D? cup boobs or she might as well be a kid. Ridiculous.

And amusingly ironic, considering our discussion on freedom of speech over in Commoner Builds. Way to go, Australia, for basically publicly shaming your small-chested female citizens.

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Charlie Bell wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Small boobs encourage pedophelia according to Australian lawmakers

Apparently women need to have at least what? C? D? cup boobs or she might as well be a kid. Ridiculous.

And amusingly ironic, considering our discussion on freedom of speech over in Commoner Builds. Way to go, Australia, for basically publicly shaming your small-chested female citizens.

Luckily, I:

A) Don't live in Australia
B) Don't like small boobs


What.


While at face value this looks like the government screwing up laughably, I think there's a good chance the story might have been screwed up a bit. At least USside, people who have worked with pedophiles have known for years that- when not foisting their urges on children- they have been consistantly attracted to members of the opposite sex who share many of their traits, primarily when it comes to secondary sexual characteristics. I think there may be a mistake with how the article was run, personally.

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Freehold DM wrote:
While at face value this looks like the government screwing up laughably, I think there's a good chance the story might have been screwed up a bit. At least USside, people who have worked with pedophiles have known for years that- when not foisting their urges on children- they have been consistantly attracted to members of the opposite sex who share many of their traits, primarily when it comes to secondary sexual characteristics. I think there may be a mistake with how the article was run, personally.

I understand that side of the argument, however, that is not what is being proposed. They have gone far past outlawing pornography which shows adult "actresses" portrayed in a manner meant to insinuate that they're children and outlaws any pornography which has participants whose physiques could be construed as child-like (ie.-small boobs). Outlawing the former is completely and totally understandable, outlawing the latter is asinine.

EDIT: That's how I understood it, at least


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
While at face value this looks like the government screwing up laughably, I think there's a good chance the story might have been screwed up a bit. At least USside, people who have worked with pedophiles have known for years that- when not foisting their urges on children- they have been consistantly attracted to members of the opposite sex who share many of their traits, primarily when it comes to secondary sexual characteristics. I think there may be a mistake with how the article was run, personally.

I understand that side of the argument, however, that is not what is being proposed. They have gone far past outlawing pornography which shows adult "actresses" portrayed in a manner meant to insinuate that they're children and outlaws any pornography which has participants whose physiques could be construed as child-like (ie.-small boobs). Outlawing the former is completely and totally understandable, outlawing the latter is asinine.

EDIT: That's how I understood it, at least

They'll have to censor large parts of museums as well. I was just looking over all these ancient statues from Greece and Rome and the bust size for females on most of these statues is really not all that impressive.

The foolishness of a law like this is it spreads a wide net and punishes large numbers of the innocent along with a small number of the guilty. What seems to be really disturbing, to me anyway, is that it defines 'healthy female' as fundamentally wrong - even pathologically broken. Pretty much any female that could do well in a Triatholon or almost any area of the Olympics has a body type thats going to fit this criteria.

I even question the effectiveness behind this - is there some evidence that shows that having small busted older women available as pornography actually increases pedophilia? It seems just as possible that an individual in a borderline case might manage to keep such pathological desires under control by focusing his desires on athletic women instead of children. I'll definitely say that I'd far prefer such perverts viewing panty shots of famous female tennis players online then instead getting their jollies by driving down to the local schoolyard.


I'm curious what the findings will be.

Leavenworth Man Dies After Being Shot With Stun Gun
KBI Investigating Man's Death


Bitter Thorn wrote:

I'm curious what the findings will be.

Leavenworth Man Dies After Being Shot With Stun Gun
KBI Investigating Man's Death

Damn.


Our tax dollars at work.

Report: NSA, Pentagon officials linked to child porn

Also

Investigator's Report Shows Dozens of Defense Employees Picked Up in Child Porn Sting

"Among those investigated are employees of the National Security Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and other offices at the Defense Department."


Sen. John Kerry skips town on sails tax


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Sen. John Kerry skips town on sails tax

Why is this government folly? Is it because different states having different tax rates encourages this kind of behavior? Otherwise, it seems more like John Kerry being a dick. Member of Congress or not, it hardly seems fair to blame Kerry's action as a private citizen on the government.


bugleyman wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Sen. John Kerry skips town on sails tax
Why is this government folly? Is it because different states having different tax rates encourages this kind of behavior? Otherwise, it seems more like John Kerry being a dick. Member of Congress or not, it hardly seems fair to blame Kerry's action as a private citizen on the government.

I can't recall if it was Kerry or Biden who was talking about how paying taxes is a patriotic duty and a privileged, but it seems more than a bit two faced. Doesn't Kerry think that money would be put to better use by the government than the private sector?

It strikes me as an example of how we seem to have a new aristocracy.


Power corrupts


Bitter Thorn wrote:


I can't recall if it was Kerry or Biden who was talking about how paying taxes is a patriotic duty and a privileged, but it seems more than a bit two faced. Doesn't Kerry think that money would be put to better use by the government than the private sector?

It strikes me as an example of how we seem to have a new aristocracy.

Hmmm. I believe you're thinking of Biden. I'd also guess that Kerry was thinking the money was best retained by him, rather than being given to either to the government or the private sector.

I'm with you on the "new aristocracy" thing, but I don't see it as a government problem; more a concentration of wealth problem. But YMMV.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Power corrupts

Indeed.

Unless you give it to me. I promise not to abuse it.

*Cough*


bugleyman wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Power corrupts

Indeed.

Unless you give it to me. I promise not to abuse it.

*Cough*

LMAO! I almost shot water out of my nose!


bugleyman wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:


I can't recall if it was Kerry or Biden who was talking about how paying taxes is a patriotic duty and a privileged, but it seems more than a bit two faced. Doesn't Kerry think that money would be put to better use by the government than the private sector?

It strikes me as an example of how we seem to have a new aristocracy.

Hmmm. I believe you're thinking of Biden. I'd also guess that Kerry was thinking the money was best retained by him, rather than being given to either to the government or the private sector.

I'm with you on the "new aristocracy" thing, but I don't see it as a government problem; more a concentration of wealth problem. But YMMV.

I don't care so much about Ford or Coors keeping family members in the business, but going 20 years with presidents named Bush or Clinton just seems creepy.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
I don't care so much about Ford or Coors keeping family members in the business, but going 20 years with presidents named Bush or Clinton just seems creepy.

A privately held company can do whatever the heck the owners want. A publicly held company (e.g. Ford) has a responsibility to hire the best managers they can find. While it's possible the very best person for the job was a Ford (or a Coors, or whatever), the frequency with which that situation occurs seems rather suspect...

Political dynasties can be rather worrying. Sometimes I wonder if they are propagated largely on name recognition, which is a scary thought.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
LMAO! I almost shot water out of my nose!

It would be best if you come to grips with the New World Order now. ;-)


Top Secret America


Top Secret America


Charlie Bell wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Small boobs encourage pedophelia according to Australian lawmakers

Apparently women need to have at least what? C? D? cup boobs or she might as well be a kid. Ridiculous.

And amusingly ironic, considering our discussion on freedom of speech over in Commoner Builds. Way to go, Australia, for basically publicly shaming your small-chested female citizens.

+1


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Top Secret America

WOW! There is a to to read! :)

Is it really this bad?!


Some thoughts on black markets and drug war economics.

The Other War


Cheney's Energy Socialism

Mises Daily: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 by Thomas J. DiLorenzo


I'm not advocating for a stateless society, but I found this interesting. I'm curious how sharia law has interacted with this tradition in Somalia, and I'm curious if anyone has more up to date information.

I also had no idea where else to post this, and I didn't want to start another thread.

The Somali Way
Authentic Rule of Law
Without the State
by Spencer H. MacCallum


Memo: Arlington Cemetery Plagued by Waste and Mismanagement

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Texas Man Walks Free After Serving 27 Years for Rape He Didn't Commit

Cases like these are why the death penalty should be suspended until every possible case has been reviewed. Not to mention that, after reading the story, it's apparent that the police coached the woman into picking the "correct" person out of the photo lineup.


Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Texas Man Walks Free After Serving 27 Years for Rape He Didn't Commit

Cases like these are why the death penalty should be suspended until every possible case has been reviewed. Not to mention that, after reading the story, it's apparent that the police coached the woman into picking the "correct" person out of the photo lineup.

After 19 years, innocent man is free at last

I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but I don't trust the government to keep the roads fixed.

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Republicans want review of birthright citizenship

Gotta love how these "constitutional conservatives" spout off about liberals destroying and/or subverting the constitution...then want to change it to suit their needs/wants.

The Exchange

Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Republicans want review of birthright citizenship

Gotta love how these "constitutional conservatives" spout off about liberals destroying and/or subverting the constitution...then want to change it to suit their needs/wants.

I can understand the why of the stance. I do not like the potential outcomes. I would rather have a person fly to the us to have a baby that is a citizen then have a citizen worried if their child is in fact a citizen. Too many what ifs.


Crimson Jester wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Republicans want review of birthright citizenship

Gotta love how these "constitutional conservatives" spout off about liberals destroying and/or subverting the constitution...then want to change it to suit their needs/wants.

I can understand the why of the stance. I do not like the potential outcomes. I would rather have a person fly to the us to have a baby that is a citizen then have a citizen worried if their child is in fact a citizen. Too many what ifs.

+1

It seems more prudent to me to secure the border than to amend the constitution.

Scarab Sages

Crimson Jester wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Republicans want review of birthright citizenship

Gotta love how these "constitutional conservatives" spout off about liberals destroying and/or subverting the constitution...then want to change it to suit their needs/wants.

I can understand the why of the stance. I do not like the potential outcomes. I would rather have a person fly to the us to have a baby that is a citizen then have a citizen worried if their child is in fact a citizen. Too many what ifs.

While I think it is far too late to put that particular genie back in it's bottle, I can almost see the point of wanting to refine what 14 means, but not repeal it. I've heard some scholars argue about the beginning of Section 1, which states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...."

Some folks arugethat "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" might negate the automatic citizenship of someone born in the states to a non-citizen. The thought being that a non-citizen is still legally under the jurisdiction of her country of origin, therefor that home country jurisdiction would take precedence. That I might agree with.

I do not agree with outright appeal.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Republicans want review of birthright citizenship

Gotta love how these "constitutional conservatives" spout off about liberals destroying and/or subverting the constitution...then want to change it to suit their needs/wants.

I can understand the why of the stance. I do not like the potential outcomes. I would rather have a person fly to the us to have a baby that is a citizen then have a citizen worried if their child is in fact a citizen. Too many what ifs.

While I think it is far too late to put that particular genie back in it's bottle, I can almost see the point of wanting to refine what 14 means, but not repeal it. I've heard some scholars argue about the beginning of Section 1, which states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...."

Some folks arugethat "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" might negate the automatic citizenship of someone born in the states to a non-citizen. The thought being that a non-citizen is still legally under the jurisdiction of her country of origin, therefor that home country jurisdiction would take precedence. That I might agree with.

I do not agree with outright appeal.

I see the "subject to the jursidiction thereof.." as the reasoning behind granting citizenship to children of citizens born abroad and for denying citizenship to children born of foreign officials (diplomatic immunity would not make them subject to US jurisdiction). That being said, aliens (illegal or not) can be charged with violating US law, so they would fall under the jurisdiction of the US. My 2cp.


Aberzombie wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:

Republicans want review of birthright citizenship

Gotta love how these "constitutional conservatives" spout off about liberals destroying and/or subverting the constitution...then want to change it to suit their needs/wants.

I can understand the why of the stance. I do not like the potential outcomes. I would rather have a person fly to the us to have a baby that is a citizen then have a citizen worried if their child is in fact a citizen. Too many what ifs.

While I think it is far too late to put that particular genie back in it's bottle, I can almost see the point of wanting to refine what 14 means, but not repeal it. I've heard some scholars argue about the beginning of Section 1, which states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...."

Some folks aruge that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" might negate the automatic citizenship of someone born in the states to a non-citizen. The thought being that a non-citizen is still legally under the jurisdiction of her country of origin, therefor that home country jurisdiction would take precedence. That I might agree with.

I do not agree with outright appeal.

I'm assuming you meant repeal, and I don't think anyone is suggesting the repeal of the 14th amendment.

I seriously doubt the jurisdiction argument in light of precedent, so that basically leaves an amendment to modify the 14th amendment. I'm very concerned about amending the constitution in any way that expands government power or impacts individual liberty.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
I'm very concerned about amending the constitution in any way that expands government power or impacts individual liberty.

Ditto. Even temporary measures "for the greater good" often turn out to be long-term abdridgements of personal liberty.

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