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Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

The suspicious rage ability gives a Barbarian a bonus to saves vs spells while raging. Thie bonus is listed as a morale bonus.

The Barbarian also gains a +2 to will saves while raging. This is also a morale bonus.

Am I correct in assuming these bonuses would not stack?

Also Oracles with the Curse: Lame are immune to fatigue at level 5. Does this mean a Barb/Oracle could potentially be immune to fatigue after raging?


i would say that no matter what the rage power is listed as it will stack, that's the whole point. it can be only used during rage so it would make no sense if it didn't stack.

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Vance, the two morale bonuses don't stack. The only type of bonus that stacks with itself is Dodge.

And yes, a Barbarian Oracle 5 with the "lame" curse would be immune to fatigue after coming off a rage. And the Barbarian's speed helps offset the effects of the curse. That would make a pretty interesting character!


RAW, the morale bonuses do not stack from regular rage and suspicious rage. Note however one applies to saves vs. spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities while the other applies to all Will saves. There's a lot of overlap there, but there could be abilities that require Will saves that do not happen to be spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities.

As far as the oracle/barbarian, yes, immunity to fatigue should apply to barbarian rage fatigue.

Edit: Ninja'd!


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I think you mean Superstition, not Suspicious Rage, unless there's a new rage power that I don't know about.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Yes superstition is what I meant. Sorry

The Exchange

Well, it says a morale bonus vs Spells, Supernatural Abilities, and Spell-like Abilities, not just will saves. The morale bonus would not stack in regards to will saves, but the Superstition extends past will saves, instead against any spell that allows a save at all. And it increases at a faster rate than that gained from rage.


I think the point was it seems silly that it doesn't stack with the inherent Barbarian bonus to Will saves. Especially since Will saves are the ones that really need the help.

I think it should be untyped, but of course that's my opinion.


I think it works fine as a moral bonus, personally. I see it as a way to extend their will save bonus to other save categories (in certain situations), and after 3rd level it increases your will save in any case (because its bonus is higher then the one normally granted by rage).


Superstition (Ex): The barbarian gains a +2 morale bonus on saving throws made to resist spells, supernatural abilities, and spell-like abilities. This bonus increases by +1 for every 4 levels the barbarian has attained. While raging, the barbarian cannot be a willing target of any spell and must make saving throws to resist all spells, even those cast by allies.

Please note that this applies to fortitude saves and reflex saves in addition to the will saves. So even if you don't get all the bonus on the will save you might wish for, this will give a better one and still helps with the other two...

That's a pretty nice ability.

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