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That's it, doing some pre-game prep at work and trying to find the rules if someone is using a weapon that they aren't proficient with, can't find them in the PRD was hoping someone could provide me with a link and say where in the wall of text they are. I'm having a hell of a time.
Check under the weapon proficiency feats themsees. Under normal it gives the penalty. Not sure if it's anywhere else.
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That's it, doing some pre-game prep at work and trying to find the rules if someone is using a weapon that they aren't proficient with, can't find them in the PRD was hoping someone could provide me with a link and say where in the wall of text they are. I'm having a hell of a time.Check under the weapon proficiency feats themsees. Under normal it gives the penalty. Not sure if it's anywhere else.
Thanks, I wouldn't have thought to check feats, I checked the entire equipment and the entire combat sections. That's a pretty buried rule.
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Thanks, I wouldn't have thought to check feats, I checked the entire equipment and the entire combat sections. That's a pretty buried rule.That's it, doing some pre-game prep at work and trying to find the rules if someone is using a weapon that they aren't proficient with, can't find them in the PRD was hoping someone could provide me with a link and say where in the wall of text they are. I'm having a hell of a time.Check under the weapon proficiency feats themsees. Under normal it gives the penalty. Not sure if it's anywhere else.
It's also mentioned in passing under Splash weapons that you don't suffer -4 non-proficiency with them, which certainly implies you do with other weaponsbut yeah, it is pretty hidden.
By the way, am i the only one who thinks -4 is way too high as a penalty for non proficiency?
Me thinks -2 would be enough.
By the way, am i the only one who thinks -4 is way too high as a penalty for non proficiency?
Me thinks -2 would be enough.
Nope.
If the penalty was -2 then I'd just grab a repeating cross-bow and never bother with the feat to use it, same for elven curve blade and orc double axe.
It's also mentioned in passing under Splash weapons that you don't suffer -4 non-proficiency with them, which certainly implies you do with other weaponsbut yeah, it is pretty hidden.
Huh. It's also mentioned in passing under "Inappropriately Sized Weapons" -- "If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.". That's pretty cryptic.
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It's also mentioned in passing under Splash weapons that you don't suffer -4 non-proficiency with them, which certainly implies you do with other weaponsbut yeah, it is pretty hidden.Huh. It's also mentioned in passing under "Inappropriately Sized Weapons" -- "If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.". That's pretty cryptic.
yeah I saw that and just wasn't sure if that was the rule, or just a special case for the innapropriately sized weapons. Armor at least has a little spelled out section, but weapons you have to search for the buried rule.
Nope.
If the penalty was -2 then I'd just grab a repeating cross-bow and never bother with the feat to use it, same for elven curve blade and orc double axe.
I understand that.
But on the other hand, maybe i have really good players, but i don't think any of them would abuse the situation if i was switching the penalty to -2. They might of course sometimes grab a weapon and enjoy the -2 only but they wouldn't do it often, i am sure.Anyway i am not really asking for myself or my own game, as i use weapon groups, and give already a -2 only if the character is grabbing a weapon close to the ones in his weapon groups.
No, my question was rethoric and general, as -4 is a strong penalty, like the one from being blinded, so it seems high to me...
Nope.
If the penalty was -2 then I'd just grab a repeating cross-bow and never bother with the feat to use it, same for elven curve blade and orc double axe.I understand that.
But on the other hand, maybe i have really good players, but i don't think any of them would abuse the situation if i was switching the penalty to -2. They might of course sometimes grab a weapon and enjoy the -2 only but they wouldn't do it often, i am sure.
Anyway i am not really asking for myself or my own game, as i use weapon groups, and give already a -2 only if the character is grabbing a weapon close to the ones in his weapon groups.
No, my question was rethoric and general, as -4 is a strong penalty, like the one from being blinded, so it seems high to me...
I prefer weapon groups myself, honestly. One of the best rules in Unearthed Arcana. I hate people paying a feat to use one weapon.
As to the penalty, it's your game, do what you feel is best. Just be prepared to have the players take advantage of it.