Scrolls, Wizards, Spellbooks, and Metamagic

[Endarire]

Normally, if a Wizard scribes a scroll of haste into his spellbook, he casts it as a level 3 spell.

What if the Wizard doesn't know haste and finds a scroll of Extended haste? What spell level would it occupy in his spellbook? Would it have Extend attached?

Heigthen Spell increases the spell level in all regards. If I find a scroll of fireball (normally a level 3 spell) Heightened to level 5, what level will it be to cast?

[james maissen]

Endarire wrote:

Normally, if a Wizard scribes a scroll of haste into his spellbook, he casts it as a level 3 spell.

What if the Wizard doesn't know haste and finds a scroll of Extended haste? What spell level would it occupy in his spellbook? Would it have Extend attached?

Heigthen Spell increases the spell level in all regards. If I find a scroll of fireball (normally a level 3 spell) Heightened to level 5, what level will it be to cast?

You would scribe 'fireball' into your spellbook and it would be the level that it appears on your spell list.

If you attempt to read a scroll, you would use the caster level of the scroll not the spell level to see whether or not you can cast it without chance for failure. For example a 5th level sorcerer could cast a CL5 arcane scroll of fireball without incident even though he/she can't cast 3rd level spells yet.

It is a bit of a mess to follow because they use one word (level) for so many different things. Hopefully if Paizo ever does a 2nd edition of pathfinder they will elect to tackle this beast!

-James

[Bwang]

Does your GM consider a spell on a scroll separate from its metamagic enhancement? I have a magic Guild that produces such spells in my campaign and Guild Wizards can actually take such spells as they level. Therefore, I would allow it. And yes, I allow SLA to be affected by their own Metamagic feats.