Can Monsters have Cross-Class skills?


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Is Survival a cross-class skill for a Grizzly Bear?

I'm running into this in a lot of monsters.

IMarv

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Monsters can put skill ranks into any skill, whether or not it is a class skill--just as characters can.

The creature's type--frex, animal--tells you what skills are its class skills.

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Andrew Bay wrote:

Is Survival a cross-class skill for a Grizzly Bear?

I'm running into this in a lot of monsters.

IMarv

Monsters can indeed have cross-class skills.


Technichally, there are no more such things as cross-class skills, only class skills which give a +3 bonus to the skill checks with those skills. From the stat block you linked, the Grizzly bear had 5 skill points, making hte skills as follows:

Perception: 2 ranks, 1 Wis, 3 class skill = 6
Survival: 1 rank, 1 Wis, 3 class skill = 5
Swim: 2 ranks, 5 Str, 3 class skill, 4 racial = 14

EDIT: LOL double ninja'd


Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Monsters can put skill ranks into any skill, whether or not it is a class skill--just as characters can.

The creature's type--frex, animal--tells you what skills are its class skills.

I hadn't noticed the creature type determined the Class Skills list. That is very helpful.

However, Monster Creation instructions does not reference this fact:

'PRD' wrote:


Step 6: Skills and Feats

Using Table: Creature Statistics by Type, determine how many skill ranks your creature has based on its type and Hit Dice. Assign these ranks as determined by the creature's concept. Any skill that you put points into is considered a class skill for the creature. Any skill without assigned skill points is not a class skill for the creature, even if advanced versions of the creature have ranks in those skills. Creatures with a low Intelligence typically only have ranks in Dexterity- and Strength-based skills.

I'll need to adapt to this accordingly.

IMarv

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Beorn the Bear wrote:

Technichally, there are no more such things as cross-class skills, only class skills which give a +3 bonus to the skill checks with those skills. From the stat block you linked, the Grizzly bear had 5 skill points, making hte skills as follows:

Perception: 2 ranks, 1 Wis, 3 class skill = 6
Survival: 1 rank, 1 Wis, 3 class skill = 5
Swim: 2 ranks, 5 Str, 3 class skill, 4 racial = 14

EDIT: LOL double ninja'd

Even more awesome? Your avatar. Is a ninja. Sean and I are THAT GOOD.

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Andrew Bay wrote:
Using Table: Creature Statistics by Type, determine how many skill ranks your creature has based on its type and Hit Dice. Assign these ranks as determined by the creature's concept. Any skill that you put points into is considered a class skill for the creature. Any skill without assigned skill points is not a class skill for the creature, even if advanced versions of the creature have ranks in those skills. Creatures with a low Intelligence typically only have ranks in Dexterity- and Strength-based skills.

Bolded text is a legacy of 3.5 and is going to be errata'd out of the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary. A monster's type determines its class skills.


Thanks all!
It is looking much better.

IMarv


James Jacobs wrote:
Beorn the Bear wrote:

Technichally, there are no more such things as cross-class skills, only class skills which give a +3 bonus to the skill checks with those skills. From the stat block you linked, the Grizzly bear had 5 skill points, making hte skills as follows:

Perception: 2 ranks, 1 Wis, 3 class skill = 6
Survival: 1 rank, 1 Wis, 3 class skill = 5
Swim: 2 ranks, 5 Str, 3 class skill, 4 racial = 14

EDIT: LOL double ninja'd

Even more awesome? Your avatar. Is a ninja. Sean and I are THAT GOOD.

Darn that double checking my math. Makes me wonder if Ninjas were ever OCD....


Beorn the Bear wrote:


Darn that double checking my math. Makes me wonder if Ninjas were ever OCD....

Survival is not a class skill for animals, that +3 comes from skill focus.

IMarv


Andrew Bay wrote:
Beorn the Bear wrote:


Darn that double checking my math. Makes me wonder if Ninjas were ever OCD....

Survival is not a class skill for animals, that +3 comes from skill focus.

IMarv

That too... >.> <.< *disappears in a cloud of stealth*

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