If a CN character wanted to becoma an assassin, and had all of the skill prereqs and everything fulfilled, there are only two things in the way. These would be Alignment and Killing someone just to become an assassin. Now, there is a paladin in this CN character's party, and that pally has no scruples about killing evil folk (as most paladins dont).
Would the killing of this Paladin in his sleep (someone who has been an ally of Mr. CN) be enough to catapult into evil, as well as count as a killing to become an assassin?
On top of that, it eliminates a potential threat for when the char becomes evil...
If a CN character wanted to becoma an assassin, and had all of the skill prereqs and everything fulfilled, there are only two things in the way. These would be Alignment and Killing someone just to become an assassin. Now, there is a paladin in this CN character's party, and that pally has no scruples about killing evil folk (as most paladins dont).
Would the killing of this Paladin in his sleep (someone who has been an ally of Mr. CN) be enough to catapult into evil, as well as count as a killing to become an assassin?
On top of that, it eliminates a potential threat for when the char becomes evil...
If he's already CN, then he can just decide 'You know, screw it, I'm tired of not getting all the benefits I could get if I just quite having so many scruples' and turn evil. Becoming evil is a lot easier than becoming good. You just have to quit listening to your conscience. And yeah, a good first step for that would be to kill the paladin while he sleeps. It's basically his way of 'turning down the path', killing an ally and friend to sever his ties with his old way of life and embrace his new one. Burning his bridges so to speak.
I must have missed it when PRPG added meta-gaming to the Assassin's job qualifications...
I must have missed it when PRPG added meta-gaming to the Assassin's job qualifications...
It isnt meta-gaming. They character has thought about it before when the Paladin has kept him from doing things he wanted. Now, he is prepared to act on it.
Theree isnt really an assassins guild in this world, its pretty much freelance work.
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Theree isnt really an assassins guild in this world, its pretty much freelance work.
If there is no guild, then how does killing someone in their sleep help them become a assassin?
Personally if this is about the PC wanting to get the assassin PrC, i as a GM would just allow them to take it and make them IC try and get known as a assassin to get work.
yes, the "must kill someone in order to become an Assassin" basically means you must kill somebody AS an assassin, i.e. taking out a target chosen by the client (whether a guild or a client paying for a hit). Practically every character has killed somebody, the point is doing something non-Assassins probably have not done. In other words, Assassin-as-PrC are not per se distinguishable (at least at low levels) from any other Fighter-Thrug-Rogue-etc who is a 'contract killer'. You just have to start filling the role before you can go down the PrC road itself.
Yeah, I think that, in order to qualify, you would have to do something along the lines of asking around to see if someone needs "killin" for a sum of gold, and once you do that, and complete the job, it would count as the qualification for the class.
If a character is planning to turn evil and become an assassin, in my book it means he is already evil.
Pretending he is not evil yet so he doesn't appear as such on paladins radars is just hypocrisy.
A nice dovetail would be to find someone with a grudge against the Paladin and offer to kill him for them for money.
Think of it as an audition or building a portfolio to prove your qualifications.
Prospective Client: "So, why should I hire you to kill the merchant lord?"
Assassin: "Well, I have a sketch here of the McSkivvers murder. You remember that one?"
Client: "Wasn't that the one where they found him hung with his own entrails?"
Assassin: "The very one . . . well, that was my work."
Client: "Very impressive. Do you have any testimonials from previous clients."
Assassin: "Talis Reavin says I'm the most reprehensible bastard he's ever had the misfortune to work with, and said I should never be caught on his property again. That's why I have to meet with him at the Inn on the far side of the city."
Client: "Well, I'm going to check with some of the referrals on Igor's List, and if that checks out, you are looking very good for this job."
If a character is planning to turn evil and become an assassin, in my book it means he is already evil.
Pretending he is not evil yet so he doesn't appear as such on paladins radars is just hypocrisy.
Exactly, characters don't 'plan to turn evil' without already being evil. I don't see how a character can be murderously intent on vengeance against a paladin for being a paladin and somehow cramping their style without already being evil. Of course, all this may not be directly apparent to a GM only aware of stated character actions, but I think that's all the more reason that if you're intent on playing a more devious, scheming character, to discuss 'background motivation' things like this with the GM as the game progresses.
As to worrying about appearing as evil on the paladin's "radar", I think that some here are taking the signifigance of that a bit too far. Paizo has made clear that Paladins are well capable of working with individuals that they know to be motivated by Evil, and detecting as such hardly will push some 'kill on sight' button in a Paladin's code. The Lawful part of the Paladin's code would probably say they need a damn good reason to kill somebody (like threatening innocents) not just detecting evil.
Theree isnt really an assassins guild in this world, its pretty much freelance work.If there is no guild, then how does killing someone in their sleep help them become a assassin?
Personally if this is about the PC wanting to get the assassin PrC, i as a GM would just allow them to take it and make them IC try and get known as a assassin to get work.
Cold-blooded Killer PrC?
Killing a paladin in your sleep, yes, that would definitely catapult you into evil, though I would probably still keep your alignment as Chaotic.
So you want to kill another player's character because he's role-playing his character properly, because you're CN (AKA I want to be able to do whatever I want alignment). No this won't cause any problems with real people or anything...
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I think a reasonable GM would rule the murder of the paladin as an impediment to your character's quest to become an assassin. The main difference between an assassin and a thug is discretion: assassins are professionals, the best ones have reputations for loyalty and a level head.
Stabbing knights who annoy you to get into the 'evil club' is the mark of a nutjob, not an assassin.
Theree isnt really an assassins guild in this world, its pretty much freelance work.If there is no guild, then how does killing someone in their sleep help them become a assassin?
Personally if this is about the PC wanting to get the assassin PrC, i as a GM would just allow them to take it and make them IC try and get known as a assassin to get work.
What I would suggest then is that a stranger wants to hire him for a job, but wants the PC to prove his worth by killing someone unrelated to the job. This could be a test to prove that the PC is willing to do whatever it takes, and willing to kill for the job. The NPC could do this because the job is to kill a noble or a wealthy merchant, however he doesn't want just anyone to know that, so he sends the PC to kill someone else first to prove himself. You could also have a NPC that is an assassin offer to train the PC in return for a job, perhaps the NPC is old and retired, or doesn't have access to the target.
However key here is several things. The PC shouldn't get paid anything for the job other than the ability to become an assassin. The PC doesn't get to choose who he kills, and the victim shouldn't be someone the PC has any other reason to kill, it must be done for the sole reason of becoming an assassin. IT SHOULD NOT BE ANOTHER PC, don't encourage PC's to kill each other, you just get a revived paladin that wants to bring justice to the assassin that betrayed and murdered him.