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Vakr wrote:


Lawspeaker, Lagman. Pick your choice of either of those adeptly norse themed names. (Just remember they would be most likely be followers of Tyr) :)

Inquisitor is out because heresy wasn't a big of a deal to them as it was for Christianity.

Are you saying Inquisitor class is out completely or change the theme to a fantasy adventuring "Lagman"?

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To reinforce Heimdall's role as gatekeeper, all plane shift spells that target Asgard should end up on Bifrost, just before the entrance to Asgard.


darth_borehd wrote:
Vakr wrote:


Lawspeaker, Lagman. Pick your choice of either of those adeptly norse themed names. (Just remember they would be most likely be followers of Tyr) :)

Inquisitor is out because heresy wasn't a big of a deal to them as it was for Christianity.

Are you saying Inquisitor class is out completely or change the theme to a fantasy adventuring "Lagman"?

If you had to keep the Inquisitor, I'm saying to call them ICly as Lagman or Lawspeaker. But I'm also saying as a class, the Inquisitor doesn't fit the nordic culture.


LazarX wrote:
To reinforce Heimdall's role as gatekeeper, all plane shift spells that target Asgard should end up on Bifrost, just before the entrance to Asgard.

I like that.


Vakr wrote:


If you had to keep the Inquisitor, I'm saying to call them ICly as Lagman or Lawspeaker. But I'm also saying as a class, the Inquisitor doesn't fit the nordic culture.

I will make a note of that.

I'm still at a lost to find any parallel for Gunslinger.


darth_borehd wrote:
I'm still at a lost to find any parallel for Gunslinger.

You wouldn't find any parallel. The nordic warriors looked down on the archers for their battles. If the warrior wanted some ranged firepower at all, he was content with carrying around light spears or javelins (or sometime throwing axes) for flinging something at his enemies.

I would guess that for a gunslinger, a nordic warrior would used a name or descriptor that is very close to a magic caster or such one who sling harmful spells at his enemies to refer to the gunslinger.

I got one; Thunderslinger
The gun make a deafening noise and bright flash/smoke. The enemy that got hit appeared to be struck by something invisible like how the lightning strike is alway only visible for an instance before disappearing and leaving the damage and thunder behind.


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I got one; Thunderslinger

The gun make a deafening noise and bright flash/smoke. The enemy that got hit appeared to be struck by something invisible like how the lightning strike is alway only visible for an instance before disappearing and leaving the damage and thunder behind.

There's a science fiction story called "Frost and Thunder" by Randall Garrett where a gunslinger travels back in time and finds some Vikings. They fight "Frost Giants" which turn out to be barbarian tribes in animal skins. He takes out his pistol and starts shooting them.

The Vikings see him take out his weapon, hear a thunder-like noise, see an enemy drop and look back to see the gun is still in his hand. Best they can figure out, he's throwing the strange hammer and hitting them and its returning back faster than they can see. The time traveller thus starts the myth of Thor.


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Vakr wrote:
darth_borehd wrote:
I'm still at a lost to find any parallel for Gunslinger.

You wouldn't find any parallel. The nordic warriors looked down on the archers for their battles. If the warrior wanted some ranged firepower at all, he was content with carrying around light spears or javelins (or sometime throwing axes) for flinging something at his enemies.

I would guess that for a gunslinger, a nordic warrior would used a name or descriptor that is very close to a magic caster or such one who sling harmful spells at his enemies to refer to the gunslinger.

You could use Loki as a patron for Gunslingers. He was not only the god of trickery, but of fire as well.


Wicked K Games wrote:

I was looking for this free suppliment all morning to no avail.

Does anyone else have this to contribute?

Apparantly Lore of the Gods 2: Asgardians is available only in the Lore of the Gods compilation now (Egyptian, Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian) though rather costly.

Hopefully as part 2 was officially available for free maybe posting this link here is no violation.


Any suggestions for a Norse equivalent to a Ninja?


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darth_borehd wrote:

Any suggestions for a Norse equivalent to a Ninja?

Bit difficult that. Your best bet is probably to create some kind of secret society dedicated to Huginn and Muninn, the ravens who spy for Odin.

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I think one mistake you're making is trying way too hard to fit all the classes into the concept, regardless of how ill-fitted they might be.

Thunderslinger? Really?


The idea is to provide GMs and players the most options available. Some classes fit perfectly, some you have to stretch into fantasy a bit, and some don't fit at all. I asked and the best anybody could suggest was thunderslinger, which I agree is stretching it too thin. For that reason, Gunslinger is one class I suggest just will not fit.

As for the Ninja, there were Norse assassins in history. One of them killed King Edmund II by hiding in the latrine and stabbing him through the backside. True, you would have to strip out the oriental flavor but the mechanics of the Ninja might work as an assassin from another culture.


Any artists out there want to lend a hand with some illustrations?


Xum wrote:
christopher myco wrote:
Lawful stuff...

Well mate, I know myth, I've studied it, and for you to say Zeus is VERY lawful breaks it up for me. He was NEVER portraited as lawful in any of his stories, he has done lawful things, yes, who hasn't? But he IS ruled by his emotions, that's not lawful.

Regarding Odin, as I stated earlier, you can paint him as non chaotic, not anymore by the way, but that's FAR from lawful. And for the Record, Ragnarok is NOT the end of everything, and he knows it, it's end of the old and restart of mankind and Gods alike.

It seems to me that your perception of the Myths is acurate, the only problem is what is chaotic and what is lawful.

I've always seen Zeus as CN myself he was one of the more selfish gods of his Pantheon.


Zeus was fickle when it came to women, and selfishly jelous of his power, but he was also the Arbiter Supreme and keeper of Law and Order in the universe- so I see him as TN, just like Odin, for much the same reasons.


Bardess wrote:
Zeus was fickle when it came to women, and selfishly jelous of his power, but he was also the Arbiter Supreme and keeper of Law and Order in the universe- so I see him as TN, just like Odin, for much the same reasons.

But didn't Odin disguise himself and walk Midgard helping people? What about using sleipnir to deliver presents to good boys and girls on Yuletide?

Would a true neutral do that?


He did what he did to preserve the status quo, the universal balance. He could give gifts to children AND push heroes towards their untimely and unfair deaths without remorse.


I forgot to dot this for future reference. And yes, Odin could be mean too.

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Dotting - love the stuff

Two things about the gods bother me, however.

As far as I know it's spelled "Ullr" not "Uller".

And having "Magni" (Strength) without his twin brother "Modi" (Endurance) kinda bugs me a bit. Unless that's who "Mundi" is supposed to be. It should definitely be Magni & Modi.

Just my two coppers! Great work!

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Icyshadow wrote:
I forgot to dot this for future reference. And yes, Odin could be mean too.

Could be? He's pretty much a self-pleasing bastard when he's not being the leader.


Awesome job!


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Chuck Wright wrote:
As far as I know it's spelled "Ullr" not "Uller".

It's pronounced Uller, but them old-timey Scandinavians hadn't invented standardised spelling yet.

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The current-timey Scandinavians still spell it that way. ;)


Um... not the Swedes, or the Danes, and only some of the Norwegians. Trust me - I am one. ;)

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You know, just because you're Scandinavian, don't go thinking you know more than some gaming geek who bought the green campaign setting book on Vikings in 1991...


houstonderek wrote:
You know, just because you're Scandinavian, don't go thinking you know more than some gaming geek who bought the green campaign setting book on Vikings in 1991...

OMG I think you are the first person I've seen mention those.

I have the whole set and I think that close to half the games I've ever run were run out of Charlemagne's Paladins and Celts.


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Zeus was fickle when it came to women, and selfishly jelous of his power, but he was also the Arbiter Supreme and keeper of Law and Order in the universe- so I see him as TN, just like Odin, for much the same reasons.

This. An important aspect of Zeus's role was as the ultimate defender of the various rules of ancient Greek society. His role as the defender of the rights of guests and hosts is probably the best-remembered today, but hardly the only one.

Bardess wrote:
He did what he did to preserve the status quo, the universal balance. He could give gifts to children AND push heroes towards their untimely and unfair deaths without remorse.

This again! :) Odin is also the god who helped the evil king kill the two heroes who had come to avenge their sister's being tortured to death. In some stories he is a fluffy santa claus, in some stories he is subtle and quick to anger, in some he is inscrutable and treacherous.


Perhaps some prime material planes are seeds in the branches of the world tree.


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just peeked at the list and wish to clear up one small error i feel is in here. Hel is not evil. yes she is chaotic and sides with her father in the battle of ragnarock, however would you side with someone who cast you outta the family because you looked half dead? i wouldn't. i believe due to these things and others (i am a follower of Hel IRL), she should be labeled Chaotic Neutral. just my humble opinion but take it for the two cents its worth please.


Ironically on-topic for reviving a thread. It's worth noting that several of the records do depict Hel as Evil, while others don't. The current best guess is that the myths started getting written down at around the same time as Christianity was taking hold and putting some effort into demonizing various death-related deities. Neutral Hel is probably the original version. Probably.


I believe that it should be remembered that Almost ALL of the Aesir are gods of war, that Frigga = Freya, and that Odin is also the patron of the outlaw/outcast in addition to being the patron for rulers.
Thor is the god of storms, war, and rain and is the patron of farmers/the common man.

A note on Freki and Geri should also probably be added to distinguish that they are Odin's wolves within the list.


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Good stuff here. Twice raised is twice as good.


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Chuck Wright wrote:


As far as I know it's spelled "Ullr" not "Uller".

Late to the party but just to clear things up for current readers since the thread is already raised: the -r suffix (sometimes -er, sometimes -ur) is the strong masculine nominative suffix, not part of the actual name. Modern Scandinvian languages have done away with it, which is why forms like Jormungandr, Fafnir, Ullr, and others are rather pointless to use in (mostly) caseless modern English or Scandinavian. Use of the dictionary forms seems very haphazard (we don't write Thorr or Heimdallr, after all). I can only assume this came about by someone looking at the dictionary form without knowing anything about the grammar.

Just use Jormungand, Fáfni/Fåvne and Ull.

Kir Volkov wrote:
that Frigga = Freya

I'm sure you mean =/=. Any connection between these two was not at all certain, last I heard.

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