Will Obama Play the War Card?


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Sovereign Court

Bitter Thorn wrote:
The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Andrew Phillips wrote:
Frostflame wrote:
I don't think the U.S can afford another war. There are already American troops spread in Iraq and Afghanistan, opening another front against Iran would be a disastrous. The Iranian army is very well trained and they have alot of military equipment from Russia. Not to mention the fact other countries will oppose such actions
I was wondering where the soldiers would come from for the new war. There really is no option to start another conflict. Even if there was enough money it would take a Draft to get the troops and you know that ain't gonna happen, at least not without a planet wide invasion from Atlantis.
Wraith!?
No, Splugorth.
Rifts! I've got it now!

Maybe it would only take a.....Slor!

or is that just after James Jacobs is elected to the Senate.


The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Andrew Phillips wrote:
Frostflame wrote:
I don't think the U.S can afford another war. There are already American troops spread in Iraq and Afghanistan, opening another front against Iran would be a disastrous. The Iranian army is very well trained and they have alot of military equipment from Russia. Not to mention the fact other countries will oppose such actions
I was wondering where the soldiers would come from for the new war. There really is no option to start another conflict. Even if there was enough money it would take a Draft to get the troops and you know that ain't gonna happen, at least not without a planet wide invasion from Atlantis.
Wraith!?
No, Splugorth.
Rifts! I've got it now!
I am a big fan of the setting.

:)


Lost in deep cover
"Dear John," said his lover's last letter
Emptied a full clip to feel better
Slipped a rung on Jacob's ladder
Desert boot camp deserter got stung by death adder
Don't get mad get even madder
A10 tank killer fodder
Interrogate? Why bother...
My brother for a last cigarette, no please not yet
One last dance, lest we regret
Look me in the eye, GI, and tell me you're not tired
I'm tired to death sir, I'm tired till it hurts
But when you thought it couldn't get much worse
Well it may...
We march at the break of day
And come what may, rules of engagement say
We will stand to the very last, shrapnel blast
A casket goes home...
Sons and daughters wrapped in stars and stripes to keep 'em warm
("Give peace a chance... that doesn't mean anything"
"It's like give peace a chance")
Under red orange dawn we draw the line
And those on the other side must stand and fight
Tracers like fourth of July in the night
Lighting up like Hiroshima
The perfect sight

I'm a Starship Trooper
This is my letter to dad,
transferred from Saigon to Baghdad
And now I'm dead
An allied soldier, with skin boils from Ebola
I'll bring you back a souvenir of what we stole

I'm a Starship Trooper
This is my letter to dad,
transferred from Saigon to Baghdad
And now I'm dead
An allied soldier, with skin boils from Ebola
I'll bring you back a souvenir of what we stole

I was only nineteen
Joined for the pay packet
Now my full metal jacket won't take one more hit
I don't give two s!*!s about oil interests
But depleted uranium, just gave Joe a fit
Captain Kurtz said, "fight till the hurt stops"
Yet all I can see is burned crops
And mates shell-shocked
Morphine under lock and key
Their AK's talking to my M16
Pray for friendly fire
Haven't seen a priest, but plenty of funeral pyres
Triage nurse is dying
My name in the paper
Next to a faceless dictator
And another flag to drape
Hey yo, check
Here's the commanding officer
A total mess again
Crying in the mess tent
How to make mice or mince meat of his men

I'm a Starship Trooper
This is my letter to dad,
transferred from Saigon to Baghdad
And now I'm dead
An allied soldier, with skin boils from Ebola
I'll bring you back a souvenir of what we stole

I'm a Starship Trooper
This is my letter to dad,
transferred from Saigon to Baghdad
And now I'm dead
An allied soldier, with skin boils from Ebola
I'll bring you back a souvenir of what we stole

I'm a Starship Trooper
This is my letter to dad
Transferred from Saigon to Baghdad
And now I'm dead
An allied soldier...

Scarab Sages

Starship Troopers was a cool book. Very unlike the movie.


Aberzombie wrote:
Starship Troopers was a cool book. Very unlike the movie.

Yeah, with as crap a job as they did with that movie, and John Carpenter's Vampires, I fear there will never be a decent version of John Steakley's excellent novels (Armour and Vampire$) on the big screen.

Why do I bring that up? Because Armour is like a much better version of Starship Troopers, that isn't concerned with presenting an "enlightened fascist" government but rather with following people in extreme crisis during the Interstellar Antwar.


Lyingbastard wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Starship Troopers was a cool book. Very unlike the movie.

Yeah, with as crap a job as they did with that movie, and John Carpenter's Vampires, I fear there will never be a decent version of John Steakley's excellent novels (Armour and Vampire$) on the big screen.

Why do I bring that up? Because Armour is like a much better version of Starship Troopers, that isn't concerned with presenting an "enlightened fascist" government but rather with following people in extreme crisis during the Interstellar Antwar.

I thought Hienlen's take on fascism was satirical?

Shadow Lodge

Bash Sarah Palin all you want, but at least she just has to jot down a few key terms in order to give a speech. Obama needs a word-for-word transcript scrolling on his teleprompter to talk to a room full of sixth-graders or ~10 businessmen.

Scarab Sages

Crimson Jester wrote:

.....The devil opened up his case and he said: "I'll start this show."

And fire flew from his fingertips as he resined up his bow.
And he pulled the bow across his strings and it made an evil hiss.
Then a band of demons joined in and it sounded something like this.
When the devil finished, Johnny said: "Well you're pretty good ol' son.
"But if you'll sit down in that chair, right there, and let me show you how its done."

Fire on the moun, run boys, run.
The devil's in the house of the risin' sun.
Chicken in the bread pin, pickin' out dough.
"Granny, does your dog bite?"
"No, child, no."

The devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat.
He laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet.
Johnny said: "Devil just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a b%@*~, I'm the best that's ever been."

And he said "Be you angels?"

And we replied "We are but MEN!!! ROCK!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH"

Scarab Sages

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And, back to the topic:

Close the city and tell the people
that something's coming to call
Death and darkness are rushing forward
to take a bite from the wall, oh

You've nothing to say
They're breaking away
If you listen to fools...
The Mob Rules
The Mob Rules

Kill the spirit and you'll be blinded,
the end is always the same
Play with fire, you burn your fingers
and lose your hold of the flame, oh

It's over, it's done
the end is begun
If you listen to fools...
The Mob Rules

You've nothing to say
Oh, They're breaking away
If you listen to fools...

Break the circle and stop the movement,
the wheel is thrown to the ground
Just remember it might start rolling
and take you right back around

You're all fools!
The Mob Rules!


Snorter wrote:

And, back to the topic:

Close the city and tell the people
that something's coming to call
Death and darkness are rushing forward
to take a bite from the wall, oh

You've nothing to say
They're breaking away
If you listen to fools...
The Mob Rules
The Mob Rules

Kill the spirit and you'll be blinded,
the end is always the same
Play with fire, you burn your fingers
and lose your hold of the flame, oh

It's over, it's done
the end is begun
If you listen to fools...
The Mob Rules

You've nothing to say
Oh, They're breaking away
If you listen to fools...

Break the circle and stop the movement,
the wheel is thrown to the ground
Just remember it might start rolling
and take you right back around

You're all fools!
The Mob Rules!

Wow! This takes me back to High school.

Mosh it up!


bump :)


Gates Memo Sought ‘Military Options’ Against Iran


background


<scribbling down in his conspiracy journal and keeping one eye open on the insiduous Bitter Thorn>


Urizen wrote:
<scribbling down in his conspiracy journal and keeping one eye open on the insiduous Bitter Thorn>

:) I have deviously steered the thread back to its original topic.


I'm still onto you, man. Your pony tail, beard, and tattoo posturing may fool everyone else, but not me. I cannot abide this masquerade. No sir, not this dude.

<scribbles ... Thule this ... Thelema that...>


JP editorial


The Canadians are behind that. Shhh...

Liberty's Edge

yellowdingo wrote:

Considering he is yet to do anything meaningfull other than run up a debt of 10 Trillion that no other US citizen is prepared to pay back...I call BARAK THE BUTCHER preemptively!

Consider this an I told you So moment. SO which of you fine Paizonians are prepared to Die on the Foreign Fields of Iran?

Sorry, my "told you so" moment was a couple months before the election. I still can't believe everyone jumped on the bandwagon of a cipher (cypher for the Brit-English speakers) with zero tangible political accomplishments and very dubious associations.

But then, Americans convince themselves every day that Democrats and Republicans aren't criminals, so I guess they get what they deserve.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
JP editorial

Ohh, I get it. Iran vs. US...nuclear weapons...enriched uranium...heavy metal...Black Sabbath. I see what you did. First five albums are absolutely classic, IMO. Not so much a fan of either Sabbath or Ozzy after the split.

Zo


DigMarx wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
JP editorial

Ohh, I get it. Iran vs. US...nuclear weapons...enriched uranium...heavy metal...Black Sabbath. I see what you did. First five albums are absolutely classic, IMO. Not so much a fan of either Sabbath or Ozzy after the split.

Zo

OK. There may have been alcohol involved.


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DigMarx wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
JP editorial

Ohh, I get it. Iran vs. US...nuclear weapons...enriched uranium...heavy metal...Black Sabbath. I see what you did. First five albums are absolutely classic, IMO. Not so much a fan of either Sabbath or Ozzy after the split.

Zo

Not a fan of Heaven & Hell, the album? Blasphemer.


Urizen wrote:
DigMarx wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
JP editorial

Ohh, I get it. Iran vs. US...nuclear weapons...enriched uranium...heavy metal...Black Sabbath. I see what you did. First five albums are absolutely classic, IMO. Not so much a fan of either Sabbath or Ozzy after the split.

Zo

Not a fan of Heaven & Hell, the album? Blasphemer.

+1


Urizen wrote:
DigMarx wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
JP editorial

Ohh, I get it. Iran vs. US...nuclear weapons...enriched uranium...heavy metal...Black Sabbath. I see what you did. First five albums are absolutely classic, IMO. Not so much a fan of either Sabbath or Ozzy after the split.

Zo

Not a fan of Heaven & Hell, the album? Blasphemer.

Well, to be honest it IS my favorite non-Ozzy album. Much like Roger Moore's my least-hated non-Connery Bond. But otherwise right on both counts. Shouldn't blasphemy be a notch in a Sabbath fan's belt!? :)

Zo


DigMarx wrote:

Shouldn't blasphemy be a notch in a Sabbath fan's belt!? :)

Zo

Alright, you have a point there. :P


Thinking the Unthinkable: War With Iran


He's five foot two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of thirty-one and he's only seventeen
Been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
And he knows he shouldn't kill and he knows he always will
Kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada
He's fighting for France, he's fighting for the U.S.A.
And he's fighting for the Russians
And he's fighting for Japan
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy, he's fighting for the Reds
He says "It's for the peace of all"
He's the one who must decide, who's to live and who's to die
And he never sees the writing on the wall

But without him
How would Hitler have condemned him at Labau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body as a weapon of the war
And without him all this killing can't go on

He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from here and there and you and me
And brothers can't you see
This is not the way we put the end to war


Pardon the thread necromancy.

Libya went badly, but Obama seems to be making some effort not to invade Iran.

Maybe there is some small hope for engagement, or maybe I'm naive.

The Exchange

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most likly keep up the assassinations and blowing up civilians without care. but not a war, that would be wrong...


Bitter Thorn wrote:

Pardon the thread necromancy.

Libya went badly, but Obama seems to be making some effort not to invade Iran.

Maybe there is some small hope for engagement, or maybe I'm naive.

indeed, war with Iran is highly unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. There would have to be considerable amounts of gymnastics occurring first.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Kthulhu wrote:
Bash Sarah Palin all you want, but at least she just has to jot down a few key terms in order to give a speech. Obama needs a word-for-word transcript scrolling on his teleprompter to talk to a room full of sixth-graders or ~10 businessmen.

Her ability to mass produce nonsense isn't exactly a selling point to me. Quite frankly I could care less if our President couldn't walk to the podium without tripping over two left feet. Policies and execution are the only things I care about.


LazarX wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Bash Sarah Palin all you want, but at least she just has to jot down a few key terms in order to give a speech. Obama needs a word-for-word transcript scrolling on his teleprompter to talk to a room full of sixth-graders or ~10 businessmen.
Her ability to mass produce nonsense isn't exactly a selling point to me. Quite frankly I could care less if our President couldn't walk to the podium without tripping over two left feet. Policies and execution are the only things I care about.

You do realize you're responding to a generic "teleprompter" talking point from almost 4 years ago, right?


thejeff wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Bash Sarah Palin all you want, but at least she just has to jot down a few key terms in order to give a speech. Obama needs a word-for-word transcript scrolling on his teleprompter to talk to a room full of sixth-graders or ~10 businessmen.
Her ability to mass produce nonsense isn't exactly a selling point to me. Quite frankly I could care less if our President couldn't walk to the podium without tripping over two left feet. Policies and execution are the only things I care about.
You do realize you're responding to a generic "teleprompter" talking point from almost 4 years ago, right?

Political thread. Your common sense has no place here, mister.

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