Conversion Discussions of Noncore Classes with 20 Levels from 3.5


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Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Dabbler wrote:

Dreamscarred Press are doing the 'official' Pathfinder conversions for the psionic classes and races, you might want to look at what they are doing here as they are looking for input.

There is no "official" conversion, since what Dreamscarred is doing won't be supported by Paizo, and Paizo has made it abundantly clear that the 3.5 style of psionics is dead to them. What Dreamscarred is putting out is probably the only commercial and at this point, most developed translation of 3.5 psionics. Legends of the Shining Jewe; has campaign adaptation rules for the 3.5 system but it's a fairly minimal work.

The Exchange

Love the work you've done here, got a question for you.

What's up with Fey Utterance? (the 20th level ability of the fey pact)

The description of it is IDENTICAL to that of elemental storm, and then it mentions that it functions like dominate monster. Ummm, what?

I think it's just a typo, but I was curious to see what it ought to be.

Warlock, Fey Pact wrote:
Fey Utterance (Su): Once per day, you blanket an area with raging elemental energy. Any creature within the area takes 1d6 points of damage per warlock level (maximum 20d6). If they fail their Reflex save they take 4d6 points of damage each round until the energies are extinguished. Extinguishing the flames is a full-round action that requires a DC 20 Reflex save. This storm deals acid, cold, electricity, or fire damage, determined when you create it. This power otherwise functions like dominate monster.


I rather like the Swashbuckler changes you've made, with one exception:
Their techniques aren't all that interesting. Several are just "gain this feat" or stolen from the Rogue.

Your Ninja, otoh, is badass and has plenty of new and flavorful abilities. What gives??


I'm reading through your stuff and I had a comment about the Quickling. I tried to do a conversion one time myself from AD&D to 3e and noticed something about the movement speed.

In AD&D, a Human's movement rate was 12. In 3e this was converted to 30.
A Halfling's movement rate was 8. In 3e this was converted to 20.

A fairly straightforward conversion.

Using the same ratio of speeds, a Quickling had a movement rate of 96 in AD&D which is 8x the speed of a human. This would give them a movement rate of 240ft (a little over 27mph so a little crazy but we're talking magic here).

As this Quickling is listed with a 60ft movement rate it would have to run at x4 speed to reach that rate.

The Blur ability almost covers this but it would seem to me that it would fit the history of the creature (gamewise) better if it was x4 speed instead of x2 speed. Or if the base movement was increased from 60ft to 120ft.


Hey, I love all the conversions you made and I love running them in my campaigns, as do my players. I was wondering if you are working on anymore? And actually how you thought about your conversions as you made them and such. Curious about how I can do the same.


So I was unable to sleep and I made this:
Pathfinder: Dread Necromancer

I put a lot of time into it. I blended both the original and added a little bit of pathfinder into it. I took the suggestions from Parka and molded them into somethings I liked a little bit more.

Tell me what you think.


Here's the new download. The old file is outdated. Also this one is a PDF:
Pathfinder Dread Necromancer

Shadow Lodge

Still hoping for a Favored Soul. (Oracle is, less than ideal, sort of in the "ok, just ok" spot).

Hopefully someone will take this quest up and look to the PF Sorcerer for inspiration on the class, as well as ideas for a lot of the 3E flaw designs.

:)


The Favored Soul is a Oracle of the Battle Mistery without any curse.

Shadow Lodge

I don't know, I just don't like the Oracle that much. I like the mechincs of the Revelations, but that's it. I don't know what it is about the class.


Beckett wrote:
I don't know, I just don't like the Oracle that much. I like the mechincs of the Revelations, but that's it. I don't know what it is about the class.

I don't like how much space it takes up while still leaving me feel like there isn't enough to the class. It doesn't fulfill the needs I have for a spontaneous caster, but I'll probably crib a few of its revelations for my homebrew fix for the Favored Soul...


Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:
Steelfiredragon wrote:
swashbuckler too please....

Here’s the Swashbuckler. Willing to hear suggestions for changes here too.

SWASHBUCKLER (Pathfinder)

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Hey man, i saw your conversions for some classes of the complete 3.5 suplements. You make conversions for all complete classes, or known any source that i can read?


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Beckett wrote:

Still hoping for a Favored Soul. (Oracle is, less than ideal, sort of in the "ok, just ok" spot).

Hopefully someone will take this quest up and look to the PF Sorcerer for inspiration on the class, as well as ideas for a lot of the 3E flaw designs.

:)

I was a fan of the Favored Soul as well, but I think in most respects the Oracle is better. The only thing I don't like is the requirement to have a "curse" or whatever it is called. I certainly don't think the class is unbalanced without it. (Or maybe the list is woefully short?).

The worst thing about the Favored Soul was that it had a bad case of MAD. The Oracle fixes that, at least.


I'd still love to see Favoured Soul myself. Love the fluff on them. If you gave them a single casting stat and toned down the spells known and castable, I think they'd be really cool.

Plus I wanted to dot this. Some great stuff here.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Aleron wrote:

I'd still love to see Favoured Soul myself. Love the fluff on them. If you gave them a single casting stat and toned down the spells known and castable, I think they'd be really cool.

Plus I wanted to dot this. Some great stuff here.

Why not change the fluff on Oracles and replace it with the fluff from Favored Souls? Easy peasy. (It's what I plan to do).


I have to say, I think doing a 20 level conversion of Swashbuckler was missing the point. Swashbuckler, as near as I could ever tell, was a 3 level class.

Intelligence to damage was essentially the entire point, and that's pretty much the only thing I miss about the Swashbuckler. Personally, I'd rather see the "Weapon Finesse for free, minor bonus to Ref and Initiative, and Int to damage with finesseable weapons" incorporated into a Fighter or Rogue archetype.

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