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Kuntz to release Castle El Raja Key levels in 2010


Maure Castle


I thought folks might not have noticed some recent posts on Rob's blog about his plans to release levels from Castle El Raja Key in 2010: see
http://lordofthegreendragons.blogspot.com/ in general, and http://lordofthegreendragons.blogspot.com/2009/12/on-horizon-castle-el-raja -key.html in particular.

Allan.


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grodog wrote:

I thought folks might not have noticed some recent posts on Rob's blog about his plans to release levels from Castle El Raja Key in 2010: see

http://lordofthegreendragons.blogspot.com/ in general, and http://lordofthegreendragons.blogspot.com/2009/12/on-horizon-castle-el-raja -key.html in particular.

Allan.

pardon me whilst i drool.

Cheliax

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grodog wrote:

I thought folks might not have noticed some recent posts on Rob's blog about his plans to release levels from Castle El Raja Key in 2010: see

http://lordofthegreendragons.blogspot.com/ in general, and http://lordofthegreendragons.blogspot.com/2009/12/on-horizon-castle-el-raja -key.html in particular.

Allan.

This is an amazing release, but I wonder how many contemporary gamers are familiar with the importance of El Raja Key in the early history of the hobby?

As one of the fabled megadungeons from the earliest days of D&D, it will be interesting to see whether the reality meets up with the expectations of those who *are* interested in such things...


Personally, I'm waiting with bated breath for this release. This and the news that RJK is distributing through Noble Knight rather than self-shipping (which is a long-overdue and sorely needed development) are great news.

And yeah, I'm looking forward to see how the original Maure Castle stacks up :)


Pat Payne wrote:


And yeah, I'm looking forward to see how the original Maure Castle stacks up :)

I always thought that Castle Maure and El Raja Key were essentially one and the same with Castle Maure being the published snippets.


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Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Pat Payne wrote:


And yeah, I'm looking forward to see how the original Maure Castle stacks up :)
I always thought that Castle Maure and El Raja Key were essentially one and the same with Castle Maure being the published snippets.

if that's the case, then HOORAY!

i didn't think there was much chance of ever seeing more maure levels.

i'm ecstatic about this news. :-)


Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Pat Payne wrote:


And yeah, I'm looking forward to see how the original Maure Castle stacks up :)
I always thought that Castle Maure and El Raja Key were essentially one and the same with Castle Maure being the published snippets.

Can anyone confirm if this is true?


Vongoosewink wrote:
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Pat Payne wrote:


And yeah, I'm looking forward to see how the original Maure Castle stacks up :)
I always thought that Castle Maure and El Raja Key were essentially one and the same with Castle Maure being the published snippets.
Can anyone confirm if this is true?

Here


Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Vongoosewink wrote:
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Pat Payne wrote:


And yeah, I'm looking forward to see how the original Maure Castle stacks up :)
I always thought that Castle Maure and El Raja Key were essentially one and the same with Castle Maure being the published snippets.
Can anyone confirm if this is true?
Here

OK, From the "Bibliography of the Works of Robert J. Kuntz":

"Ostensibly the castle was located at a geographical area equating to the current Maure Castle location on the WoG map; WG5 (see below) was a nearby area related to Maure Castle/El Raja Key in some way which was only slightly hinted at (though the idea of entering Maure Castle equated with entering El Raja Key, which was less a name then than a signature denoting my castle, since my real initials occur within it)."

So that's a yes then, that Maure and El Raja Key are basically the same dungeon?


From my POV they are in fact different, but closely-related, dungeons: ERK was Rob's original campaign dungeon for the Kalibruhn campaign setting (like Castles Blackmoore and Greyhawk were the campaign dungeons for those settings). Maure Castle was the "equivalent" to ERK in Greyhawk, but as outlined in Dungeon 112, the original levels of MC don't align (to my understanding) of the original levels in ERK. So, I think there is definitely cross-pollination going on, I'm just not sure how much the two are "the same": if it's only 30% that's potentially a big difference vs. say 70-80% similarity.

I'll see if Rob can stop by and chime in here with some more-authoritative input....

Allan.


grodog wrote:
I'll see if Rob can stop by and chime in here with some more-authoritative input...

Rob's pretty swamped (getting ready to move), but asked me to pass this along:

Rob Kuntz via email to grodog wrote:


EGG and I surmised a location of ERK synonymous with the location of Maure Castle on the GH outdoor map. I switched the two when coming to
creating Maure Castle, however, for IP reasons--didn't need WotC owning yet the third castle/namesake from the 1972-1973 triumvirate. WG5 does indeed equate to the outer precincts of ERK that EGG's PCs discovered. There is no cross-over in the primary sense when you strip away all else for IP reasons. WG5 remained in place, but the Castles switched. I really miss doing Maure, btw, as it was a great story line. Perhaps I shall finish it as a novel, as my proclivities these days are running more and more towards writing fiction than doing loads of design work.--RJK

So, that's the word, straight from the source :D

Allan.


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Rob Kuntz via email to grodog wrote:
Perhaps I shall finish it as a novel, as my proclivities these days are running more and more towards writing fiction than doing loads of design work.--RJK

ugh. :-/


Ugh, indeed.


grodog wrote:
grodog wrote:
I'll see if Rob can stop by and chime in here with some more-authoritative input...

Rob's pretty swamped (getting ready to move), but asked me to pass this along:

Rob Kuntz via email to grodog wrote:


EGG and I surmised a location of ERK synonymous with the location of Maure Castle on the GH outdoor map. I switched the two when coming to
creating Maure Castle, however, for IP reasons--didn't need WotC owning yet the third castle/namesake from the 1972-1973 triumvirate. WG5 does indeed equate to the outer precincts of ERK that EGG's PCs discovered. There is no cross-over in the primary sense when you strip away all else for IP reasons. WG5 remained in place, but the Castles switched. I really miss doing Maure, btw, as it was a great story line. Perhaps I shall finish it as a novel, as my proclivities these days are running more and more towards writing fiction than doing loads of design work.--RJK

So, that's the word, straight from the source :D

Allan.

Thanks for the information about the Maure/ERK connection, though I'm still unsure about the exact meaning of his answer... I'm pretty sure we all just want to know if the upcoming ERK can be unofficially but neatly used as the upper works of Maure?

I have to agree with the last 2 posters opinions, the idea of a Maure-themed novel leaves me cold. It the actual adventure were finished, I'm sure I'd feel differently. I just wish Rob would finish the Maure adventure, or at least release enough information to make it actually playable in the context of a campaign. Even if we never see the completed work published, all DMs need for a sound starting point to actually play the dungeon is:
1. an in-depth description of what the actual above-ground castle ruin.
2. a simple cross-section diagram of the dungeon.
3. a brief description/summary of each of the dungeon levels.
Such information would be a huge help toward his fans who want to actually play it. As it stands now, even with 3 Dungeon Magazines and Wizard's Walk, I'll probably never play these. There is just not enough there to feel comfortable trying to complete it, even for my own group. So come on, Rob, give us the keys to the castle so we can go in and play! :)

I wish Rob all the best - I've even purchased his recent other adventures so show my support of his endeavors. It is just frustrating to hear plans heading in odd directions, rather than wrapping up a his most popular and acclaimed series.


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Vongoosewink wrote:

I just wish Rob would finish the Maure adventure, or at least release enough information to make it actually playable in the context of a campaign...

I wish Rob all the best... It is just frustrating to hear plans heading in odd directions, rather than wrapping up a his most popular and acclaimed series.

i completely agree. i'd be devastated if maure castle was never finished. :-/


I've said it here before...it will never happen.


What will never happen? Finishing Maure Castle?


Paul Ackerman 70 wrote:
What will never happen? Finishing Maure Castle?

Kuntz obviously can't finish Maure unless he works for WotC - meaning 4E.

But El Raja Key will turn out to be just another teaser without any substance. I won't believe until I see it.


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Gururamalamaswami wrote:
But El Raja Key will turn out to be just another teaser without any substance. I won't believe until I see it.

well, he already posted the cover art on his blog, which i take to be a good sign.

wasn't castle rjk supposed to be released at the end of january? what happened?


My recollection is that ERK was a 2011 project, not a 2010 one, but I can ping Rob for clarification.

Allan.


Gururamalamaswami wrote:
I've said it here before...it will never happen.

Which alias was that under? Context is helpful, sometimes :D

Allan.


grodog wrote:
Gururamalamaswami wrote:
I've said it here before...it will never happen.

Which alias was that under? Context is helpful, sometimes :D

Allan.

It was in another thread when I was ranting about RJK's productivity. I'll make this my last post on the subject so Paizo doesn't smite me again.

Posted as Gurubabaramalamaswami. I've dropped "baba" after learning it means more or less "mother" or "grandma". Very embarrassing and not really mystical at all.


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grodog wrote:
My recollection is that ERK was a 2011 project...

the title and first post of this thread seem to indicate otherwise... ;-)

so does this link!


messy wrote:


so does this link!

Hey, all it says is "the end of January". It doesn't say which January... :-P


messy wrote:
grodog wrote:
My recollection is that ERK was a 2011 project...

the title and first post of this thread seem to indicate otherwise... ;-)

so does this link!

I stand corrected :D but also forgot to ask Rob about this at the North TX RPG Con. Pop a Q into one of his recent blog posts, and I'm sure he'll respond.

Allan.


Gururamalamaswami wrote:
Paul Ackerman 70 wrote:
What will never happen? Finishing Maure Castle?

Kuntz obviously can't finish Maure unless he works for WotC - meaning 4E.

But El Raja Key will turn out to be just another teaser without any substance. I won't believe until I see it.

Given the extreme difficulty to outright impossibility of translating a 4Ed product to 3.5/Pathfinder, I'd almost be inclined to wait until some other edition of d&d at WoTC arrives that is more compatible with 3.5/Pathfinder. I've read over the 4Ed Tomb of Horrors book, hoping to translate it to Pathfinder, and was very dishearted at how screwy and different 4Ed has gone,... so much so that I would almost be just taking the flavor text provided and translating almost everything else. Way too much work. It would be the same for a 4Ed translation of Maure Castle. Maure is too good for that. I'll wait for the stars to align in the years to come.


Killer_GM wrote:
Gururamalamaswami wrote:
Paul Ackerman 70 wrote:
What will never happen? Finishing Maure Castle?

Kuntz obviously can't finish Maure unless he works for WotC - meaning 4E.

But El Raja Key will turn out to be just another teaser without any substance. I won't believe until I see it.

Given the extreme difficulty to outright impossibility of translating a 4Ed product to 3.5/Pathfinder, I'd almost be inclined to wait until some other edition of d&d at WoTC arrives that is more compatible with 3.5/Pathfinder. I've read over the 4Ed Tomb of Horrors book, hoping to translate it to Pathfinder, and was very dishearted at how screwy and different 4Ed has gone,... so much so that I would almost be just taking the flavor text provided and translating almost everything else. Way too much work. It would be the same for a 4Ed translation of Maure Castle. Maure is too good for that. I'll wait for the stars to align in the years to come.

I'm sure that there is also a 3,5 conversion of ToH somewhere on the Wizards website, and is /was a free pdf

EDIT: yep, it's here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/oa/20051031a


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it's 2011, and unless i'm mistaken, no more information on maure/el raja key/whatever has been released.

:-(


No surprises here. [Couldn't help myself.]

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