Bonded Objects and Touch Spells


Rules Questions


I'm sure this has come up before, but I can't find the answer anywhere:

Is there an option or a feat that lets a wizard deliver touch spells through her bonded object/weapon?


No, I do not think so.

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No option or feat, but common sense should allow this.

If a familiar can deliver a touch spell, there's no logical reason why a bonded weapon couldn't.

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Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

No option or feat, but common sense should allow this.

If a familiar can deliver a touch spell, there's no logical reason why a bonded weapon couldn't.

I agree, but is this confirmed anywhere or have TPTB made an official statement about this. It can make a big difference when you combine the touch spell with an attack.

We were playing Hook Mountain, and when a Stone Giant who does 3d6 +12 damage adds Vampiric Touch to his bonded weapon, it matters.


I would tend to say No, nowhere does it say that they can.

Though I would probably allow a wizard or arcane sorcerer to do so with a feat.

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Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

No option or feat, but common sense should allow this.

If a familiar can deliver a touch spell, there's no logical reason why a bonded weapon couldn't.

Except maybe for the fact that a bonded weapon can have reach, thus allowing you to cast the touch spell and attack your enemy from a safer distance.

And I don't even want to think about the ranged bonded weapons.

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The black raven wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

No option or feat, but common sense should allow this.

If a familiar can deliver a touch spell, there's no logical reason why a bonded weapon couldn't.

Except maybe for the fact that a bonded weapon can have reach, thus allowing you to cast the touch spell and attack your enemy from a safer distance.

And I don't even want to think about the ranged bonded weapons.

But the counter to that is to point out that the weapon must be wielded, unlike say a bonded ring or amulet.

Much higher risk for disarm/sunder meaning the caster would have to make a DC 20 + spell level concentration check to cast anything.

For perspective a 10th level caster with 20 Int would have a 25% failure rate casting cantrips.


Touch spells can be delivered via an unarmed strike, thus they are treated like normal melee attacks [they do not hit touch AC, they hit the normal ac]. This combines w/e dmg is done with that physical strike and the touch attack.

If the bonded object is a ring for example it becomes irrelevant as to whether or not the bond can deliver the touch spell.

If one wishes to bring in some spell casting and melee... There is always the spell storing option which can be applied to weapons and of course that means weapon bonds.

Use hand of the apprentice to launch a melee weapon at an opponent.
Upon successfully hitting a stored spell can be instantly casted [limitations in the spell storing description, generally up to lvl 3 and must be standard action or less I believe]. The spell storing weapons can only hold 1 spell at a time, but a new spell can be put into the weapon as a standard action.

Is this a touch attack? Not specifically. But there are ways to reduce your opponent's AC bonus and get that bond into some gritty action.

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