Unusual sized weapons weight and cost?

[Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper]

I would like to know what the weight and cost would be for weapons of unusual sizes. Unusual armor sizes were detailed in the corebook, but aside from small and large weapons, there is no reference to this information that I can find.

I am guessing that such a chart for weapons would look like:

SIZE / COST x / WEIGHT x
Tiny or smaller / .5 / .1
Small / 1 / .5
Medium / 1 / 1
Large / 2 / 2
Huge / 4 / 4
Gargantuan / 8 / 8
Colossal / 16 / 16

I thought this was buried somewhere in a 3.5ed resource but I just can't find any info on it.

[The Grandfather]

Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:

I would like to know what the weight and cost would be for weapons of unusual sizes. Unusual armor sizes were detailed in the corebook, but aside from small and large weapons, there is no reference to this information that I can find.

I am guessing that such a chart for weapons would look like:

SIZE / COST x / WEIGHT x
Tiny or smaller / .5 / .1
Small / 1 / .5
Medium / 1 / 1
Large / 2 / 2
Huge / 4 / 4
Gargantuan / 8 / 8
Colossal / 16 / 16

I thought this was buried somewhere in a 3.5ed resource but I just can't find any info on it.

Items other than small to large are not that important for the game as far as prize and weight is concerned.

I would probalby just use table 6-8 for weapons as well if necesary.

6-8 states:
Huge / 4 / 5
Gargantuan / 8 / 8
Colossal / 16 / 12
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[Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper]

Well, since I can't find any official reference, I guess I will just use the Unusual Armor Sizes table for weapons.

[Nethys]

Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:

Well, since I can't find any official reference, I guess I will just use the Unusual Armor Sizes table for weapons.

PRPG wrote:

Weapon Qualities

Here is the format for weapon entries (given as column headings on Table: Weapons).

Cost: This value is the weapon's cost in gold pieces (gp) or silver pieces (sp). The cost includes miscellaneous gear that goes with the weapon, such as a scabbard or quiver.

This cost is the same for a Small or Medium version of the weapon. A Large version costs twice the listed price.

PRPG wrote:

Weight: This column gives the weight of a Medium version of the weapon. Halve this number for Small weapons and double it for Large weapons. Some weapons have a special weight. See the weapon's description for details.

As this goes along with the Armor for Unusual Creatures (Humanoid) table, it is recommended you follow the same guidelines when pricing and weighing weapons.

Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys
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[erian_7]

Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:

Well, since I can't find any official reference, I guess I will just use the Unusual Armor Sizes table for weapons.

This is the approach I took with my XLS, though I did notice that the Mattock of the Titans, which is a Gargantuan warhammer, weighs 120 lbs. That's a x24 multiplier for Gargantuan weapons vs. the x8 from the armor table. Without more data to extrapolate from, however, it didn't seem like a relevant data point.

[Yigler]

Actually after having this conversation with my DM I finally figured it out when I looked at different appropriately sized weapons. It does scale drastically on weapons though so beware. Every time the size category increases you simply multiply the new eight by an extra +1. This means when you go to large the weight is simply doubled. However when you increase the size again to huge multiply the new weight by 3. And then again when you increase the size to Gargantuan multiply the new weight by 4. In the end this translates into a base weight multiplication of

Large x2
Huge x6
Gargantuan x24
Colossal x120

Thus making it almost impossible for a medium creature to wield a Colossal weapon without the correct magical effects.

[ThirstyBob]

So I was going through this trying to disprove, RAW, a ridiculous build that someone put up online. Suffice to say the build involved a Colossal Greatsword, Levitation, and Vital Strike. I do not know the details, I stopped reading at this point. But on purely weight alone I thought I would be able to disprove it. I like Yigler's formula but I can't find any RAW to support it, so I think it is just a good DM houserule.

The armor size table, if used for weapons, is ludicrous. The size and weight of a greatsword shouldn't scale linearly. RAW, using armor table for weapons, a 5 foot long greatsword weighs 8lbs; and a 60ft greatsword weighs 96lbs - A character with 10STR could carry it at heavy load - 18STR could carry it and still be light. IN ADDITION, a colossal creature; weighing more than 250,000lbs (RAW); would be wielding a 96lb GREATsword. (This is where I should put a jackiechan.jpg)

The best I could scrounge up is the approximate weight of different sized creatures. There is approximately a x8 difference between size categories:

Medium 60-500 lbs.
Large (tall) 500-4000 lbs.
Large (long) 500-4000 lbs.
Huge (tall) 2-16 tons
Huge (long) 2-16 tons
Gargantuan (tall) 16 - 125 tons
Gargantuan (long) 16 - 125 tons
Colossal (tall) 125 tons or more
Colossal (long) 125 tons or more
(With a ton weighing 2,000 lbs)

So using this x8 per tier and applying it to the weight of the weapon I arrived at the x24 that erian_7 found with the Gargantuan warhammer, and if you continue to Colossal that would be x32. So according to this formula, a 60ft greatsword would weigh 256lbs. This seems more reasonable, at least it would require 25STR to carry it under light load.

At this point we are skittering dangerously around the gaping chasm that is the question of why a colossal creature is wielding a weapon that is .1% the weight of itself.

[CampinCarl9127]

At a certain point rules must be simplified so they are usable in the game in a reasonable amount of time, even if they don't make sense. As an engineer, I can easily attest to the fact that not only will weapons not scale linearly, but they won't even scale predictably between weapons. You would need an entire weight table for every single kind of weapon there is, which would require quite a bit of number crunching and way too much time and effort to be reasonable in an RPG.

[Yigler]

You also have to keep in mind that as a creatures size category goes up in size so does their carry capacity making it perfectly feasible for a colossal creature to be wielding a greatsword that weighs approximately 980lbs. This also makes it nearly impossible and highly improbable for a medium creature to wield such a monstrosity.

The carry capacity bonuses go by~

~Biped~
Large x2
Huge x4
Gargantuan x8
Colossal x16

~Quadrupedal~
Large x3
Huge x6
Gargantuan x12
Colossal x24

So a medium Creature with a 21 str can carry 153lbs. light load
Where a colossal Creature with a 21 Str can carry 2448lbs. light load

and seeing as most colossal creature have a Much Higher str than 21 (generally between 40-50) we can assume they could wield such weapons and any armor with ease but makes it completely ridiculous for standard medium creature to try to.

So even going by armor values if we apply the same multipliers of

Large x2
Huge x6
Gargantuan x24
Colossal x120

Then a standard colossal biped wielding a greatsword and full plate would come in with approximate totals of 6960lbs. for just the two.
But at just 30str, a colossal creature can carry over 8500lbs of stuff while remaining within the light load limits.

But i too have searched through and found nothing to support what i chose to do with the weight value of weapons and gear in my games.