AP request...Rise of the Runelords II -- the sequel


Rise of the Runelords

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Dark Archive

I'm writing this to officially request a sequel to RotRL adventure path. I'm not quite done with the adventure path (I'm on #5) but it's one of the best stories I've ever read through and GMed before and my players LOVE IT!

I thought it'd be great to have the sequel contain all of the OTHER six runelords in the sequel. I was kinda thinking from the movie "Alien" (characters in the movie dealing with one alien...aka one Runelord) to "Aliens" (now their dealing with a crapload of them...aka the six other runelords and their countless minions).

So James, Erik, and friends...please consider this. Thanks!


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens Subscriber

This would be a fanatastic idea and a great chance to do an adventure path that doesn't start at 1st-level.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

"Return of the Runelords" DOES have a nice ring to it, doesn't it?


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens Subscriber
James Jacobs wrote:
"Return of the Runelords" DOES have a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Why yes, yes it does.


yes, please! And make it high level! Whats the point of those nifty capstone abilities if the players never get to use them?

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James Jacobs wrote:
"Return of the Runelords" DOES have a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Mr. Jacobs, don't tease! ;P

Spoiler:
Of course ... we do know, from the Magic of Thassilon PDF, that there is another Runelord close at hand for something starting in Ustalav, the Realm of the Mammoth Lords, or even Belkzen itself.

Sovereign Court

I can't think of a better way to launch an epic-level sourcebook for PRPG than with a Return of the Runelords AP, even if it's only 3 installments or a series of modules instead of an AP.

Dark Archive

Dextro Highland wrote:

This would be a fanatastic idea and a great chance to do an adventure path that doesn't start at 1st-level.

I was actually thinking of starting it at 1st level. But I also like the epic or high-level idea.

Dark Archive

Twowlves wrote:


I can't think of a better way to launch an epic-level sourcebook for PRPG than with a Return of the Runelords AP, even if it's only 3 installments or a series of modules instead of an AP.

+1


Twowlves wrote:


I can't think of a better way to launch an epic-level sourcebook for PRPG than with a Return of the Runelords AP, even if it's only 3 installments or a series of modules instead of an AP.

+2


Also, to give a more verbose response...

James,

You once remarked to me that the implications of the discoveries of the ancient library of Therassic Monastary, along with Xin-Shalast itself were mind-boggling and could have implications easily stretching all the way to Absalom and beyond. The Pathfinder Society would be the least of it, as armies could potentially assemble like the 4 armies did in The Hobbit when Smaug died.

If that's not a kick-ass element to feature in an AP (or epic story arc), I don't know what is.


I'd be all for another Runelords AP. Something epic level could be interesting too.

Dark Archive

I wouldn't mind it starting at level 1 again, put it a bit in the future where the heroes can be connected to the original group that defeated Karzoug. Maybe those heroes, knowing that runelords exist, used all their acquired wealth to fund an organization. An organization looking for information on the whereabouts of the other Runelords. They would try and contain them before the would awaken and endanger Varisia again.

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Twowlves wrote:


I can't think of a better way to launch an epic-level sourcebook for PRPG than with a Return of the Runelords AP, even if it's only 3 installments or a series of modules instead of an AP.

This is a very good idea!

(Make NSpicer write it!)

Liberty's Edge

I'd like this, but I'd want it to wait until the 5th anniversary or even 10th. There's still so much other cool stuff I wanna see first (oriental, Mendev, Ustalav, Linnorm Kings, Shackles...)

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Coridan wrote:
I'd like this, but I'd want it to wait until the 5th anniversary or even 10th. There's still so much other cool stuff I wanna see first (oriental, Mendev, Ustalav, Linnorm Kings, Shackles...)

Actually, I think you may be on to something.

A Return of the Runelords Mega-Adventure for Epic level characters and the Epic Level book for the 5th Anniversary of the Pathfinder RPG would be awesome.

Why five years?
Well, when WoTC came out with their Epic Level book, it was less then inspiring.
So, Paizo needs to "do it right." It needs to be incredable. It needs to be amazing. It needs to be ... EPIC


Twowlves wrote:


I can't think of a better way to launch an epic-level sourcebook for PRPG than with a Return of the Runelords AP, even if it's only 3 installments or a series of modules instead of an AP.

+3

I'd love to see this.

Liberty's Edge

Oh my god! As a DM it would be a hell of work to even just prepare those runelords stats, but yes - my players would do anything I ask them, if they could continue this story into epic levels... or even start anew at level 1...

PAIZO - DO IT!
c'mon guys, let's shout that out together...
PAIZO - DO IT!!!

:)


All this sounds like an EXCELLENT idea. I played this AP and love it, but felt it could be expanded to more. I would love to continue and see the characters take 2 or 3 runelords at once!


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber
Lord Fyre wrote:

A Return of the Runelords Mega-Adventure for Epic level characters and the Epic Level book for the 5th Anniversary of the Pathfinder RPG would be awesome.

BAM! THAT would rawk!

Sovereign Court

You know, doing ANYTHING underwater makes it harder, and a certain Runelord of Wrath had her entire empire sunk beneath the waves......

Scarab Sages

I like both Ideas - a sequel for beginning characters would most likely do best as an AP, but an epic level megaadventure or a series of modules for veteran PCs would be cool, too.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Elorebaen wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:

A Return of the Runelords Mega-Adventure for Epic level characters and the Epic Level book for the 5th Anniversary of the Pathfinder RPG would be awesome.

BAM! THAT would rawk!

Yeah, that's what we really need...epic-level cannibalistic hillbilly ogres...


Twowlves wrote:


I can't think of a better way to launch an epic-level sourcebook for PRPG than with a Return of the Runelords AP, even if it's only 3 installments or a series of modules instead of an AP.

+3

Dark Archive

Twowlves wrote:


You know, doing ANYTHING underwater makes it harder, and a certain Runelord of Wrath had her entire empire sunk beneath the waves......

WOW! THAT'S worth exploring. Nice!!

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I would absolutely love a revisitation of the Runelords. I'm currently running my party through Fortress of the Stone Giants, and having a blast. They've managed to let both of the Lamia Matriarchs escape, and the pair have a grudge. (And have picked up Rings of Spell Storing to let them share spells)


im writing an adventure series currently that i plan to run my group threw as an extension to RotRL's. im glad im not the only one that feels this series needs to continue....lol


Lord Fyre wrote:

A Return of the Runelords Mega-Adventure for Epic level characters and the Epic Level book for the 5th Anniversary of the Pathfinder RPG would be awesome.

Why five years?
Well, when WoTC came out with their Epic Level book, it was less then inspiring.
So, Paizo needs to "do it right." It needs to be incredable. It needs to be amazing. It needs to be ... EPIC

Totally, totally, totally! (6 Runelords, 6 books of an AP!)

I've been running RotRL since Sept. '07 (on book 4 now), and it's been a great ride, probably finishing next summer. Give it 2 years, epic rules, and Wham! That sounds fantastic. Any characters finishing one of the first three AP's would be *easy* shoe-ins to take part as well.

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delabarre wrote:
Elorebaen wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:

A Return of the Runelords Mega-Adventure for Epic level characters and the Epic Level book for the 5th Anniversary of the Pathfinder RPG would be awesome.

BAM! THAT would rawk!
Yeah, that's what we really need...epic-level cannibalistic hillbilly ogres...

+1


William Bryan wrote:

I'm writing this to officially request a sequel to RotRL adventure path. I'm not quite done with the adventure path (I'm on #5) but it's one of the best stories I've ever read through and GMed before and my players LOVE IT!

I thought it'd be great to have the sequel contain all of the OTHER six runelords in the sequel...

I'm totally for it.

William Bryan wrote:
So James, Erik, and friends...please consider this. Thanks!

Nick Logue MUST be on!

Silver Crusade

My players first taste of Pathfinder came from Rise of the Runelords. They loved it, which served to draw them into the RPG. The final battle with Karzoug was one of the toughest battles they as a group ever faced (only the battle with Kyuss from the Age of Worms was tougher). To allow them to officially revisit that would fill them with a sense of joy tempered with dread. To do it from 1st level would be neat as it would allow them to deal with mess left over from their previous characters dealings (and even cameos from those same characters). On the other hand, doing it as a high-to-epic level AP would be just as awesome, as it would allow those characters that did Rise to clean up their own mess and even deal with some of the nasty repercussions from finishing that AP. Such as...

Spoiler:
the return of Mhar...for one. Finding out what exactly Mhar is would be awesome.

So count me in on this as well. Please revisit Rise. Give us the Return of the Runelords.

Edit: I agree with the previous poster. Nick Logue must be involved in this.


I know I've been working hard to find epic level adventures that would hitch onto the Rise of the Runelords adventure. I've found one in Dungeon 140 in the adventure Heart of Hellfire Mountain. Feels like the problems the players have faced so far.

Oh yeah.. Make an epic level sequel and I'll buy it.


We're only half-way through Skinsaw and I seriously doubt my current group would want to go epic with the AP part 2, but that wouldn't stop me from buying it...if only to read it.
M


Just an update.. At the Paizo Chat, James Jacobs said 'Return of the Runelords' would probably not be an epic AP or adventure... but probaby start at level one, like most traditional APs.

He is of course always able to reverse that decision.

Part (but likely not all) of that decision is based on Golarion not being well suited to Epic adventures. He envisions Epic Adventures happening on some other plane or planet.


Interesting. Thanks, Watcher.

Dark Archive

Watcher wrote:

Just an update.. At the Paizo Chat, James Jacobs said 'Return of the Runelords' would probably not be an epic AP or adventure... but probaby start at level one, like most traditional APs.

He is of course always able to reverse that decision.

Part (but likely not all) of that decision is based on Golarion not being well suited to Epic adventures. He envisions Epic Adventures happening on some other plane or planet.

I support that. I would like to see it (or any AP for that matter) go to 20th level.


Watcher wrote:

Just an update.. At the Paizo Chat, James Jacobs said 'Return of the Runelords' would probably not be an epic AP or adventure... but probaby start at level one, like most traditional APs.

He is of course always able to reverse that decision.

Part (but likely not all) of that decision is based on Golarion not being well suited to Epic adventures. He envisions Epic Adventures happening on some other plane or planet.

Awesome, I'd really like to see it as an entire AP and not just one or two high-level adventures.

Golarion does have a planar structure, though. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to set up an AP that actually takes advantage of the extraplanar material that they have.


Watcher wrote:

Just an update.. At the Paizo Chat, James Jacobs said 'Return of the Runelords' would probably not be an epic AP or adventure... but probaby start at level one, like most traditional APs.

He is of course always able to reverse that decision.

Part (but likely not all) of that decision is based on Golarion not being well suited to Epic adventures. He envisions Epic Adventures happening on some other plane or planet.

I am only a third of the way through, but I think I would prefer to an adventure path that continued from where RotRL stops on into epic levels.

There are several alternatives available starting at first, but none that continues on higher.
So it would provide a new option.

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Scott Betts wrote:
Watcher wrote:

Just an update.. At the Paizo Chat, James Jacobs said 'Return of the Runelords' would probably not be an epic AP or adventure... but probaby start at level one, like most traditional APs.

He is of course always able to reverse that decision.

Part (but likely not all) of that decision is based on Golarion not being well suited to Epic adventures. He envisions Epic Adventures happening on some other plane or planet.

Awesome, I'd really like to see it as an entire AP and not just one or two high-level adventures.

Golarion does have a planar structure, though. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to set up an AP that actually takes advantage of the extraplanar material that they have.

Actually, one Epic-Level "Mega-Adventure" dealing with the Runelords is exactly what I would be looking for! ;D

Scarab Sages

Let me just add my voice to the chorus.

I'd prefer an adventure path that starts where "Rise" leaves off (i.e. approx 15th level). If it could cover another fifteen levels (ambitious!) then you would have an adventure path that went from 1st to 30th level. A mega-path if you will.

Such an endeavor has only been done once before that I'm aware of (Mongoose's slipshod "Drow War")in 3.x and never well. It would be something unique.

Couple it with a Paizo limited edition hardcover ala Shackled City that converts "Rise" fully over to Pathfinder, incorporates errata and includes a previously unpublished side trek.

I could scarcely imagine a better way to celebrate Pathfinder's 5th anniversary.

I'd buy it all in a heart beat.

Gary

Dark Archive

This would be a HUGE book do you imagine ? 600 pages for RotRL alone.

Scarab Sages

Chewbacca wrote:
This would be a HUGE book do you imagine ? 600 pages for RotRL alone.

There would be certain savings by combining. One cover page and one credit pages would suffice. Ads would be consolidated. But yes, it would be a big book. Well over 500 pages.

There have been many RPG books printed that size or larger: Ptolus, World's Largest Dungeon and City, War of the Burning Sky, Talislanta etc.

If size is an issue, it could always be broken down into two, three or six volumes.

The reasons I see this book (or books) having to exist is:
1) It is tricky to market a sequel to a product that is out of print.
2) It is tricky to market a sequel to a product that uses a different (thought granted similar) system.

I think those problems are likely to cause a hypothetical "Return of the Runelords" AP to be a 1st level restart. And personally, I'd find that a shame. Paizo has an opportunity here to create something really unique -- a mega-path that in one set of books explores D&D 3.x all the way from 1st to the dizzying heights of epic.

This book (or books) could solve those problems.

Gary

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Even if Rise of the Runelords WERE in print, we'd probably want to start a sequel at 1st level, honestly.

Dark Archive

James Jacobs wrote:
Even if Rise of the Runelords WERE in print, we'd probably want to start a sequel at 1st level, honestly.

That being said though, I'm sure you wouldn't rule out maybe going to 20th level on this one...like, bring it to the table. See what people think?

I get ALL of the APs so it wouldn't change too much for me in terms of, "would I buy this AP?". Of course I would.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

Have been both player and GM with this AP (ran Valores, died as much as he did in the art work! BLESS THAT CLERIC FOR RAISE DEAD AND HEAL!) Would LOVE to see and play in the Return of the Runelords! Have even been thinking how an Oracle class would be neat to run in the Runelord AP. Maybe we could see all of the new character classes in this NEW AP! Start it out at 1ST LEVEL they go up against one of the other Runelords and in a later AP one of the original characters shows up as an NPC giving them advice and maybe even some help if they should need it.


Twowlves wrote:


You know, doing ANYTHING underwater makes it harder, and a certain Runelord of Wrath had her entire empire sunk beneath the waves......

Hell yeah!

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
James Jacobs wrote:
Even if Rise of the Runelords WERE in print, we'd probably want to start a sequel at 1st level, honestly.

Booo! Epic level sequel!


SirUrza wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Even if Rise of the Runelords WERE in print, we'd probably want to start a sequel at 1st level, honestly.
Booo! Epic level sequel!

Yay for JJ not contradicting me and making me look really dumb!

Actually I accept his tenative decision. Either way would be good, but if JJ thinks it has to be done that way that I defer to his judgment.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

It just seems to me that if a sequel Adventure Path intended to take on all the six remaining Runelords, it would be poorly served by starting at 1st level. I don't imagine any of the Runelords are much weaker than Karzoug, so starting from 1st, it takes six books to get to the level of fighting one of them...

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Revan wrote:
It just seems to me that if a sequel Adventure Path intended to take on all the six remaining Runelords, it would be poorly served by starting at 1st level. I don't imagine any of the Runelords are much weaker than Karzoug, so starting from 1st, it takes six books to get to the level of fighting one of them...

Ah, but he did not say that the characters would be taking on more then one of them. ;D

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