Are dragons overrated?


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Heathansson wrote:

It was only 5 minutes in my time. I can't post at work no more's.

If you truly believe that Colt McCoy could crash into Tim Tebow more than three times and live to tell about it, then I've 50,000 acres of virgin woodlands near Amarillo to sell you. McCoy's one of those "run out of bounds so they don't hurt me" type guys. Tebow routinely smashes into mountains just to toughen himself up.
It's why there's no mountains left in Florida.

McCoy was told to run out of bounds. Mack Brown was getting too many calls from opposing team's linebacker's mamas crying about what Colt did to their boy.

Seriously, they told him to stop. He actually has a future in the NFL as something other than a waterboy.

:)

P.S. And vampires still suck. :P

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Colt McCoy wakes up screaming in horror every time he dreams of this hit.

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My rebuttal part 1: Here

And Part 2: Here

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Dragons may be overrated, but Gators and Longhorns ain't.


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Caladors wrote:


Wile some other monsters have change signifcantly from there previous incarnations, vampires were little more than semi-intellgent zombies to the aristocratic ones they are today.
Dragons have remained basicly the same.

Ehh... yeah. No.

I do love me some dragons, particularly the fellas from Eastways, but I'm going to call on that. Dragons have changed.

Used to be a time that a dragon (outside of China, Tibet, or Japan) was a nice guy, you'd call him "Reluctant," like that was an unusual thing. Deviant, even. Nowadays, people are so in love with dragons, you can't go five steps without running into a friendly one in fiction.

Nowadays, dragons are part cat, bat, and reptile. Used to be, dragons were mostly lizard or snake (drákon in old Greek meant damn big snake) sometimes with wingaling extras, or sporting some really weird stuff like ma' boy from Tarascon.

Once again, with the possible exception of Oriental dragons (at least one of which had an fabulous undersea palace and shapechanged animal servants,) what dragons in folklore were associated with spell-casting, unless they were magic-men who turned themselves into dragons, like with Fafnir? Indeed, in earlier editions of D&D, spell-casting was a possibility, not a given; but in 3rd edition, it became so ingrained, it was assumed that if you had innate spell-casting mojo, a dragon must have doffed one of your ancestors (took a while for the idea that some other magical entity might figure in a sorcerer's bloodline to gain traction in the rule-books.)

Once upon a time, lots of dragons were considered pest control, admittedly very dangerous, violent pest control. That's where stories like Saint George and St. Martha came from (She tamed the Tarrasque, who used to be a dragon and look how he's changed.) Nowadays, there are plenty of people who'd cringe at the idea of a dragon being "just a marauding beastly menace" (such as yourself,) because dragons are so ancient, intelligent, and powerful.

My point is.... dragons have changed. A lot. But why claim otherwise? It's not necessarily a bad thing. They've developed in a lot of ways that clearly work for you, so... yay!

My point is also, apparently, there are some things can set me off on a tear late at night. The assumption that dragons have always been... the way D&D portrays them now is obviously one of those things.

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Caladors wrote:
Dragons are different to fae and unicorns because there on pictures without meaning or substance.

Also, I have no idea what this means, unless you're saying dragons have never appeared in meaningless substance-less art... at which point, I'd also say... yeah. No. If you're a big popular fantasy icon, you will sell Trapper Keepers, be you a fairy, unicorn, or dragon.

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P.S. Also, remember I am fond of dragons too... and would really like to see a dragon Adventure Path villain, so I'm not putting them down. Though... I do kind of object to the idea that they're all supposed to be the ultimate super-species of the fantasy universe.


Something to keep in mind are the possibilities that cliches allow you to screw with the players.

For instance, say they have word that the big bad guy is an insidious red dragon. Introduce an NPC who has angular features, dark hair and a goatee. He holds his 's' soundsss when he talks, and wears crimson clothes with a large ruby on his finger.

The players will just know that he's the dragon in disguise, which Should allow ample opportunity to screw with them :)


To Drakli

I am talking about pictures such as this.
http://dawkinsdouche.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/unicorn.jpg
There turned into posters and they just a picture of a horse with a horn tacked on, you know what I am saying?
No?
Uhh, well I guess what I am saying is they have no substance.

Vampires have turned into a fear of curses being held over families into rape facade for stories.
Thats what I was talking about.

I can not recall anystory where they were used for pest control, they have been at least to the best of my recollection in all of the things that I have read.

So ehhh yeah, I think my points are uuhhhh still erhmmmm vaild?
Yeah thats it. :D

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KaeYoss wrote:
Black dragon ninjas. That's all that needs saying. No one of you will be able to sleep tonight.

You. Are. Evil.


Caladors wrote:

I am talking about pictures such as this.

http://dawkinsdouche.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/unicorn.jpg

That picture burns my soul.

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Shadow13.com wrote:
Caladors wrote:

I am talking about pictures such as this.

Steriotypical overrated Unicorn Picture
That picture burns my soul.

its purple I like Purple


I'm looking for more of a violet.


Crimson Jester wrote:
its purple I like Purple

That website is very informative and eye-opening.

Thank you for enlightening me.


Heathansson wrote:

Kids, this is what a vampire oughtta look like.

*sigh*
Get off of teh interwebz. You need some sun.

Heh, yeah. 30 Days of Night was the last good vamp film made.

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Presto2112 wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

Kids, this is what a vampire oughtta look like.

*sigh*
Get off of teh interwebz. You need some sun.

Heh, yeah. 30 Days of Night was the last good vamp film made.

I wanted to like this movie. I really did. But it was too much blood and guts and not enough story. It could have been much better. Of course that is my feelings for most of Hollywood anymore. It could have been so much better.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

Regards Caladors,

I'm just seeing I've seen technicolor dragons on children's folders just as often as horsey unicorns. Please excuse me that I don't want to hunt down tacky dragon pictures.

And Western dragons were once viewed as maurading menaces, beasts that rampaged across the countryside ... now they're little kids' best friends, see Pete's Dragon, Puff the Magic Dragon, and the Puppy Dog Luck Dragon from Neverending story.

Also, if ->this<- is not pest control, I don't know what it is, but I have trouble seeing it as an epic battle, seeing as the dragon is like, the size of a dog.

Just Saying. ;)

... also, yes, the Vampire thing bugs me too. @.@


Watch it there, pal.

Exhales.


Drakli wrote:
Also, if ->this<- is not pest control, I don't know what it is, but I have trouble seeing it as an epic battle, seeing as the dragon is like, the size of a dog.

At least in that rendition the dragon, however small and griffon-like it might be, is attempting to put up a fight. Go back to the Elizabethan era and you get this gem. Ignoring the butterfly spots on the wings (still not sure what that's about...) the dragon is not only leashed by the maiden, but apparently offering itself to the lance.

Granted, in both these paintings one has to take into account the symbolism of size, shape, and motion that is being used. It's more about St. George and what he represents than it is about the dragon.

Don't get me started on what the Victorians did to faeries... =/


Drakli wrote:

Regards Caladors,

I'm just seeing I've seen technicolor dragons on children's folders just as often as horsey unicorns. Please excuse me that I don't want to hunt down tacky dragon pictures.

And Western dragons were once viewed as maurading menaces, beasts that rampaged across the countryside ... now they're little kids' best friends, see Pete's Dragon, Puff the Magic Dragon, and the Puppy Dog Luck Dragon from Neverending story.

Also, if ->this<- is not pest control, I don't know what it is, but I have trouble seeing it as an epic battle, seeing as the dragon is like, the size of a dog.

Just Saying. ;)

... also, yes, the Vampire thing bugs me too. @.@

Luck will frink eat you! his huge plus that story rocked and thats where it will stay rocking on in my mind back to the time in my childhood when I enjoyed that movie so no I will not rewatch or review the never ending story.

And well puff isn't about a dragon at all and to say his not powerful well his enthralled millons, if you get the double entendre there...

Yeah I know there out there but there far less prevalent than the ubiquitous unicorn pictures in well everywhere that has posters.
Where as the dragons are a little harder to find and generally they bring a sense of fear, lothing or meance.
Far less likely to be cat posed and wings tagged on.
STAY AWAY YOU LOLCAT PEOPLE.

Well as someone said he is trying to put up a fight but the thier picture that they posted which was wierd why would you let some stab you and just let the person the chain get off scott free...
But I still stand by my statements that dragons were a meance to be faced and that hasn't been changed.

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