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Grand Lodge **** Venture-Captain, California—Los Angeles aka miniaturepeddler

Ok, trying to make sure I'm building my 1st level character correctly:

Normally for PFS characters you choose two traits one from your faction, one from the PFS trait guide paizon/traits

I noticed in the PFS guide that they allow the elf traits from "Elfs of Glorian" book.

One trait that caught my attention for elfs was:

New Feat: Additional Traits
You have more traits than normal.
Benefit: You gain two character traits of your choice. These
traits must be chosen from different lists, and cannot be
chosen from lists you have already selected a character trait
from. You must meet any additional qualifications required for
the character traits you choose—for example, this feat cannot
enable you to select an elven character trait if you are a dwarf.

So does that mean that elfs in PFS choose 3 traits:
One for faction:
One for normal: This would be additional traits, so this mean choose two more traits?

Thanks,

Robyn

Silver Crusade

No, you get your two normal traits, and then you need to spend a feat, not a trait, to get two more.

Paizo Employee ** Developer

Anyone can take the Additional Traits feat. Everyone in PFS gets two traits. If you want to spend your first level feat on Additional Traits (instead of Toughness or Dodge or Weapon Focus or whatever) you can, and then you can pick two more traits from two categories that you didn't use for your two free traits.

I think you're confusing Additional Traits (which is a feat) with a trait. An elf gets the same number of feats as any other race, but they do qualify for racial traits that only elves can take.

Grand Lodge **** Venture-Captain, California—Los Angeles aka miniaturepeddler

Ah,

I'm trying to get my head around all this new language: feats, traits, etc.

Thanks for the clarity.

Robyn

Grand Lodge **** Venture-Captain, California—Los Angeles aka miniaturepeddler

So you don't HAVE to take one of your traits from the Faction list then right? You could actually just take two general traits instead, or a general and a racial rather than a faction?

Silver Crusade

I think that's right. As long as they're from separate lists. As a Judge, I wouldn't question it.

Paizo Employee ** Developer

miniaturepeddler wrote:
So you don't HAVE to take one of your traits from the Faction list then right? You could actually just take two general traits instead, or a general and a racial rather than a faction?

You do not have to take a faction trait. If you choose to do so, it counts as a campaign trait (and they're the only campaign traits legal for use in PFS). You could also take one racial and one regional, or one combat and one magic, or one social and one faith, or whatever combination you want. As long as the traits aren't the same type, and as long as both are allowed in the Guide to PFS, you're golden.

Qadira *****

I started to try and correct Yoda when I re-read the 'Allowed For Play' list on page 28 of the Organized Play Guide. I had believed the feat "Additional Traits" was not allowed, but after a careful read I think I've been wrong all along.

"Pathfinder Character Traits Web Enhancement Available at paizo.com/traits; all traits in this document are allowed
except for the following: Adopted, Focused Mind, Hedge Magician,
Magical Knack, Natural-Born Leader, Rich Parents, and Sacred
Touch; Feat: Additional Traits"

I thought that Additional Traits was included with the disallowed traits...but it said the following *traits* were not allowed, nothing was mentioned about feats. Now to eat some humble pie...

Paizo Employee ** Developer

Doug Doug wrote:
I thought that Additional Traits was included with the disallowed traits...but it said the following *traits* were not allowed, nothing was mentioned about feats. Now to eat some humble pie...

That is a little bit confusing.

Osirion ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Tales Subscriber
yoda8myhead wrote:
Doug Doug wrote:
I thought that Additional Traits was included with the disallowed traits...but it said the following *traits* were not allowed, nothing was mentioned about feats. Now to eat some humble pie...
That is a little bit confusing.

Don't feel bad Doug Doug, I was about to do the same thing...

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Pathfinder Adventure Path, Card Game Subscriber
Doug Doug wrote:
Now to eat some humble pie...

That's some good pie, Doug. I'm eating it a lot lately.

**

Doug Doug wrote:
I thought that Additional Traits was included with the disallowed traits...but it said the following *traits* were not allowed, nothing was mentioned about feats. Now to eat some humble pie...

Hmm. I'll have to clean that up in 2.1 (something else I'm working on this week) and make that a clearer distinction.

Sczarni *** Venture-Lieutenant, Connecticut—Manchester aka Cpt_kirstov

Majuba wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
Doug Doug wrote:
I thought that Additional Traits was included with the disallowed traits...but it said the following *traits* were not allowed, nothing was mentioned about feats. Now to eat some humble pie...
That is a little bit confusing.
Don't feel bad Doug Doug, I was about to do the same thing...

I actually had the reply window open and was typing it when I figured someone else would, as I didn't have the PDF handy


Doug Doug wrote:


"Pathfinder Character Traits Web Enhancement Available at paizo.com/traits:
all traits in this document are allowed except for the following: Adopted, Focused Mind, Hedge Magician, Magical Knack, Natural-Born Leader, Rich Parents, and Sacred Touch; Feat: Additional Traits"

I thought that Additional Traits was included with the disallowed traits...but it said the following *traits* were not allowed, nothing was mentioned about feats. Now to eat some humble pie...

If you look at the layout for this, there is a semi-colon separating the part about traits from the part about feats, the same way different categories are separated for the other source material listed. Now, since there is only one feat listed in the web enhancement, it would have looked silly for them to have it say "all feats allowed", so they just listed the one feat as allowed. That made it all run together and the feat listing looked like it was not something separate from the traits listing.

Qadira *

This is an old thread, but a similar topic came up when I was making my second PFS character - now I'm second-guessing the build of my first.

Under "Races" in the Core Rulebook, all the special game effects due to race are listed as "racial traits". But I have always presumed you get all of those for free if you choose to play that race. The "Race Traits" listed for each race in the Advanced Players Guide are a completely different set of traits, and presumably you can select one appropriate for your race as one of your two "free" traits when starting a new PFSOP character.

With subsequent sources like the Advanced Race Guide, there may be additional opportunity for confusion. Am I interpreting this correctly, that you get all "Racial Traits" from your selected race, but can select at most one "Race Trait" - is this terminology nuance consistent throughout the sourcebooks?

****

You are right, and the terminology used is consistent.

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