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Should we build a STAP wiki?


Savage Tide Adventure Path


Is there any such thing out there today? I haven't found one.

There are so many great ideas whether addressing the AP as is or adding additional materials. It would be great to put it all in one easy to reference space.

What would be the obstacles to building one?

I would love for it to mine everything in this part of the message boards. I'm sure that others, like me, have extensive files of support whether as builds (e.g. advancing monsters), or adding flavor to encounters.

I'd love to know what others think about this. This does appear to be an active area of the message boards. I also believe STAP is a classic that will be played for years to come and is a great one to introduce to new players.

Shadow Lodge

I do not believe there is any form of "official" wiki for Savage Tide. However, there are several wikis out there cataloging various campaigns, much like the Campaign Journals section here.

I wouldn't be opposed to helping put one together, especially since I'm planning on putting up my retooled and Gestaltified enemies here myself for people to use.


There's not, I've been looking for one too... It's a shame, really, since there's such a nice wiki for Shackled City.


Erevis Cale wrote:
There's not, I've been looking for one too... It's a shame, really, since there's such a nice wiki for Shackled City.

What is the link for that one? It might be a great template to start with.


Orthos wrote:
I wouldn't be opposed to helping put one together, especially since I'm planning on putting up my retooled and Gestaltified enemies here myself for people to use.

My thoughts, too. I also believe it would be great to present something with about three tracks:

track 1 - planned AP with notes on particular situations (e.g. clarifications, corrections)
track 2 - planned AP with altered stats/encounters (e.g. buffing up Vanthus)
track 3 - extensions (side journeys), such as the sea journey or in scuttlecove.

I think you could have a Rogue's Gallery, if you will. As well as gaming aids, additional maps, music lists.

Shadow Lodge

I would definitely be in support of something like that. I lost all my gathered stuff for STAP a few months back in a computer crash, and the place I got most of it from is a dead link now. Having a central location where all this stuff is available would be awesome.


I started setting up an STAP campaign wiki on wikispaces at [url]http://the-savage-tide.wikispaces.com/[/url], though job, health and personal stuff meant it fell by the wayside even before I'd put enough material in there to share it usefully with my players.

It's still there if anyone wants to check it out, though it's definitely more of a specific campaign resource than it is a general reference as discussed in this thread.

Wikispaces is a nice wiki host though, if anyone wants to set anything up there. Obviously we'd have to be careful with copyright infringment, but I've got a LOT of STAP expansion material scattered over my hard drive and various threads on this board, and would be more than happy to post it on a general wiki.


Humble Minion wrote:
... Obviously we'd have to be careful with copyright infringment, ...

So who owns the copyright? Is it Wizards? And do they care? What would be the restrictions (thou shall not ... what?)?


Orthos wrote:
I would definitely be in support of something like that. I lost all my gathered stuff for STAP a few months back in a computer crash, and the place I got most of it from is a dead link now. Having a central location where all this stuff is available would be awesome.

Orthos - I am seriously interested in this. To really have it be scalable - something that is both useful and can grow with all of the source material and fan material, I would want to establish a handful of requirements. These would be design-neutral objectives.

I've only dabbled in wikis.

One of the cool ideas would be to add a link for campaign journals.

But it's easy to focus on features rather than the actual content - which should be the driver - and specifically what we think people should be able to do with the content (e.g. Players and DMs).

What are your thoughts?


JustTim wrote:


So who owns the copyright? Is it Wizards? And do they care? What would be the restrictions (thou shall not ... what?)?

Don't think it matters who owns the copyright to be honest! The same principles apply. Probably the golden rule would be 'don't be a prick' rather than any hard-and-fast adherence to copyright law. As long as the magazines are still required to run the campaign (ie, the wiki isn't detailed enough to actually allow anyone to run the AP without buying the magazines) we're probably safe enough. Anything posted on these boards is probably fine for instance.

But you'd need to set up guidelines. For example: Rowyn will need a wiki page. There's piles of threads on here here - how she's supposed to fight effectively in that tiny little office of hers, re-stats to make her more dangerous on the Sea Wyvern, what to do in SWW if the PCs kill her in TiNH etc, dealing with PC romances with her, etc. But how much detail do you go into? If the wiki talks about her personality/role in the story in detail, that's a large percentage of the plot of TINH covered. Obviously stat blocks from the mag would be a no-no, but there's bound to be alternate stat blocks posted. Story plus stat blocks - add dungeon maps and that's basically the entirety of the module.

To be honest I don't think it'd be a major issue, but I kinda LIKE Paizo and I don't want this to be a headache for them in any way. And I don't want them cranky at me! ;)


http://therpgenius.pbworks.com/Shackled-City-main-page

That's SCAP wiki. Intrestingly enough, they have a page for both Savage Tide and Age of Worms, although both don't work. With RPGenius permission (or whoever made that wiki), we could set up a page on their site, it'd be a wonderful resource. I'd also be willing to help, since I'm DMing for a party of 6, and we're on 9th chapter and I made a lot of modifications for NPCs, encounters etc.

Shadow Lodge

They used to work. A good chunk of my lost STAP stuff came from that site. It didn't have much raw information but it was good for alternative and expansive stuff. There was an MP3 of Big D's final speech that was particularly nice, among other things.

Edit: Nevermind, that was http://therpgenius.com, whose STAP section is also inactive for some reason.


Humble Minion wrote:


Don't think it matters who owns the copyright to be honest! The same principles apply. Probably the golden rule would be 'don't be a prick' rather than any hard-and-fast adherence to copyright law. As long as the magazines are still required to run the campaign (ie, the wiki isn't detailed enough to actually allow anyone to run the AP without buying the magazines) we're probably safe enough. Anything posted on these boards is probably fine for instance.

...

To be honest I don't think it'd be a major issue, but I kinda LIKE Paizo and I don't want this to be a headache for them in any way. And I don't want them cranky at me! ;)

I, too, am fond of Paizo. I was thinking along the same lines. Nonetheless, if someone wants to play and doesn't have access to the magazines - where do they go today? Does Wizards have the pdfs for sale?

I agree about guidelines.


Erevis Cale wrote:

http://therpgenius.pbworks.com/Shackled-City-main-page

That's SCAP wiki. Intrestingly enough, they have a page for both Savage Tide and Age of Worms, although both don't work. With RPGenius permission (or whoever made that wiki), we could set up a page on their site, it'd be a wonderful resource. I'd also be willing to help, since I'm DMing for a party of 6, and we're on 9th chapter and I made a lot of modifications for NPCs, encounters etc.

I just checked out this site - wow, it gets me excited to actually run SCAP. Too many adventures - not enough time!!

I was surprised at the level of detail. I need to go back to the hardback and dungeon to see what was included/not included.

I was also thinking that one of the things which would help with STAP would be to have a breakdown of recommended figures for each chapter. Shoot - it'd be great to have a lending library of figures for some of the more rare ones.

So you're on the 9th chapter (Divided Ire?). Are you journaling or are your players? I've advanced S'Sharra and will do the same with Vanthus. I've also used the old Stronghold Sourcebook (3.0) to add some more logical protections. It looks like that's what they used when constructing Divided's Ire.


JustTim wrote:

So you're on the 9th chapter (Divided Ire?). Are you journaling or are your players?

Neither. I'm spending enough time on preparing sessions as it is, and players... Dunno, it never occured to anyone. :D

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I've advanced S'Sharra and will do the same with Vanthus.

They have yet to encounter S'Shara, but I think I'll replace her Blackguard levels with levels of Swiftblade, just for fun's sake. :D

I'm not sure yet what will I do with Vanthus, but he will get a remake, that's for sure.

Shadow Lodge

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Nonetheless, if someone wants to play and doesn't have access to the magazines - where do they go today? Does Wizards have the pdfs for sale?

The Paizo site right here sells the AP, I believe.

Yep Here it is, all the Dungeon issues with STAP in them plus the Player's Guide. The first issue is only available in PDF but you can purchase them all.


And of course, there is that method which some consider... unnatural. :D


Erevis Cale wrote:

They have yet to encounter S'Shara, but I think I'll replace her Blackguard levels with levels of Swiftblade, just for fun's sake. :D

I did several things:

1. Advance her Kelvezu level to 18 HD
2. Advance her Blackguard to 7th level
3. Buff up her magical assortments

If you're interested I have an excel file (in Dungeon Stat Block format)

You can also check out our campaign journal (30 year ...) here at Paizo.


Orthos wrote:
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Nonetheless, if someone wants to play and doesn't have access to the magazines - where do they go today? Does Wizards have the pdfs for sale?

The Paizo site right here sells the AP, I believe.

Yep Here it is, all the Dungeon issues with STAP in them plus the Player's Guide. The first issue is only available in PDF but you can purchase them all.

Interesting that the second to last is out of print and there is no PDF. So long term, what will be the official solution for someone trying to play this and who is willing to pay? Will they need to go to ebay?

Shadow Lodge

Erevis Cale wrote:
And of course, there is that method which some consider... unnatural. :D

It is not to be spoken of! :P

@Tim: Huh, didn't notice that before. Yeah, I guess Ebay would probably be the best bet until (and if) they put up a PDF or have some copies available.

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