Did the line about the save's DC for this ability slip away or does a lvl 1 ability really can make a creature shaken without a save?
Same goes for Undead Bloodline's Grave Touch.
And by "slipped away", my Lord Nethys means that those abilities never had a save to begin with. Most of the touch/ray bloodline, domain, and school abilities have no saving throw. Primarily because they are limited in duration, or HD affected, and by requiring a standard action to touch. While strong, they are rarely unstoppable.
See Charm domain/Enchantment school for one of the strongest of these options.
- Majuba, Acolyte of Nethys
Well, true that those powers already have many drawbacks (like having to go melee), but non giving a save that by logic would be needed is really 4ish. An arbitrary (and abstract) rule, I mean.
It would have been better to make them, say, 30 feet range and with save.
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Well, true that those powers already have many drawbacks (like having to go melee), but non giving a save that by logic would be needed is really 4ish. An arbitrary (and abstract) rule, I mean.
It would have been better to make them, say, 30 feet range and with save.
Spells like Ray of Enfeeblement had no save in 3.5 either.
Spells like Ray of Enfeeblement had no save in 3.5 either.Well, true that those powers already have many drawbacks (like having to go melee), but non giving a save that by logic would be needed is really 4ish. An arbitrary (and abstract) rule, I mean.
It would have been better to make them, say, 30 feet range and with save.
A few rays did have saves, but not many. In general, ray and touch spells in 3.5e did not have a saving throw.