I'd be curious about that too.
Maybe Paizo could do what they did for 3E to 4E. Who knows....
Pathfinderize the Book of Erotic Fantasy (especially the art)!!!
...and I'll drink to that
Do they have to do anything? maybe playing the rules that actually make sense means that they don't have to do anything!!
look at the makers of the worlds best roleplaying game (or however that sentence goes) they released a set of rules, started filling the market up with accessories then 5-8 years later announced another edition and then released another set of accessories and so on and so forth....
people are turning away from them now and supporting Paizo.
Pathfinderize the Book of Erotic Fantasy (especially the art)!!!
...and I'll drink to that
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If the Pathfinder RPG lasts long enough and is popular enough (which I do hope it is), eventually we'll be doing a 2nd edition of it. What and how that happens is unknown... but speaking personally, I would like it NOT to happen for a long time. 1st edition and 2nd edition both had roughly a decade, so 10 years seems like a good starting point to me...
For now, though, there are no plans to put ourselves through the hell and horror of rebuilding the backbone of our entire RPG product line. We're too tired! :-)
Yeah, a decade will be good.
And in the middle, you can put out the deluxe leather-bound gilt-edged Master's Edition.
so 10 years seems like a good starting point to me...
If its 10 years before you start looking at doing the 2nd edition my wife will be happy too ;o)
We're too tired! :-)
ah bless........
Seconds the Erotic fantasy art-heavy book notion ;)
Personally I'd just like to see the core book PDF corrected if it wasn't done already - got to check. And then just gaming and gaming away ^_^
If the Pathfinder RPG lasts long enough and is popular enough (which I do hope it is), eventually we'll be doing a 2nd edition of it. What and how that happens is unknown... but speaking personally, I would like it NOT to happen for a long time. 1st edition and 2nd edition both had roughly a decade, so 10 years seems like a good starting point to me...
For now, though, there are no plans to put ourselves through the hell and horror of rebuilding the backbone of our entire RPG product line. We're too tired! :-)
I personally hope its even longer than 10 years, if it aint broke dont fix it. And if something becomes broke, house rule it.
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I'm still hoping for a huge hardback adventure in the Rappan Athuk or Dungeon-A-Day vein.I have one that i personally wrote still in the process of finishing touches it was originally written many years ago but it was a big success with the many groups that have attempted it.
Would be happy to email you it when finished
It called the tomb of curses?
Regards
wow, thanks, i love this stuff! my email is my forum name there (DF spelled out) at gmail dot com.
Yeah, a decade will be good.
And in the middle, you can put out the deluxe leather-bound gilt-edged Master's Edition.
Hell yes! I'd love a leather bound PfRPG tome after we've gone thru at least another round of errata and typo corrections!
Yeah, but one that contains also the Bestiary and the stuff left out (Weapon descriptions, Equipment descriptions, etc..., etc...). Would be nice to have a leather bound 800-1000 pages Core Ruleset. Maybe in another paper-size like DIN-A4.
That would be a tabletop tome indeed. Effectively all three books "core" books in one ... leather bound with heavy paper and gilt edges.
Mmm... I just had a gamergasm.
The tome's leather covers should be padded boards, so you can have some really nice embossing and such...several large bands of different colored silk for place markers.
10 years is a long time. I don't see PF as a new game. Not even as a new edition. It's another revision to 3e. It's a great one, and it will give 3e an extended lifespan.
And I'm all for breaking the D&D edition age record with 3e/3.5e/PF. But after 10 years, 3e will be old enough to marry, own weapons, drive cars, and drink hard liquor.
I think it's a bit too long.
I'd personally go for something like 5 more years, maybe 6.
More time than 3.0 had, more time than 3.5 had, probably more time than 4e will have.
Plenty of time for poeple to play all the characters they wanted to play, plenty of time to get lots of use out of the books that are there and that are yet to come.
Plenty of time for you guys to take a long vacation from creating new games, then take a couple of years to idly think about stuff, watch PF play out and see where it needs to be changed, and then get designing, and then have closed and open beta tests, and then do the finalising stuff, and then... well, you get the picture.
I'd be curious about that too.
Maybe Paizo could do what they did for 3E to 4E. Who knows....
They couldn't, even if they wanted to. 4e isn't open.
Plus, they share the opinion of many PF fans that 4e doesn't work for them.
They could, of course, make PF 2e what 4e was supposed to be. And I think they'll do.
Yeah, but one that contains also the Bestiary and the stuff left out (Weapon descriptions, Equipment descriptions, etc..., etc...). Would be nice to have a leather bound 800-1000 pages Core Ruleset. Maybe in another paper-size like DIN-A4.That would be a tabletop tome indeed. Effectively all three books "core" books in one ... leather bound with heavy paper and gilt edges.
Mmm... I just had a gamergasm.
I think a collector's edition would be a great idea; in fact, I suggested it a few months ago, and Erik said something to the effect of maybe if the corebook sells out. Hmmm....
As for including the bestiary, binding a 1000 page book for a reasonable price would be problematic. The current corebook is pushing the upper end of reasonable for a smyth-sewn binding.
Mmmmm, leather bound PFRPGCRB... Yes please!
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New editions are fine so long as they are new editions and not new games. Most new editions for most games, it seems to me, are fairly compatible with older editions. I don't care if the rulebooks are updated every five years or so as books that are heavily used eventually show their wear and I like buying the new shiny. But I really hope that any new editions continue to be compatible with past products. Assuming Paizo doesn't suddenly fire half the company and hire new designers, I trust that this will likely be the case so I'm not too worried.
Yeah, but one that contains also the Bestiary and the stuff left out (Weapon descriptions, Equipment descriptions, etc..., etc...). Would be nice to have a leather bound 800-1000 pages Core Ruleset. Maybe in another paper-size like DIN-A4.
Have to disagree with this. I'd want for the page numbers (in any given language) to remain the same as the regular version. Otherwise, that just complicates things needlessly when I'm helping my players to reference thing.
Quite literally, I want for my players and I to be on the same page.
Also, I STRONGLY disagree with having the bestiary in the same tome. This should be a book that is acceptable for both DMs and players to bring to the table (if they have the cash to spend). The last thing I (as a DM) want is for my players to be sitting there flipping thru the Beastiary section of a mega-tome everytime we have an encounter. I wouldn't have to ban players from having a book at the table that they spent upwards of $100 on.
Furthermore, when I'm creating an adventure, I've often had both the DMG and MM open at the same time — the more I have to keep flipping around thru the same book, the more time lost and the more wear on it.
Now in terms of a Premium Beastiary book, I'd like to see a Leather-bound tome perhaps every 2-3 years that collects ALL of the Paizo monsters since the last Leather-bound Beastiary was released. i.e. In 2 years a leather-bound tome containing the 1st Beastiary plus all the monsters from the APs and modules. The book would be laid out with all the monsters in alphabetical order (as opposed to arranging the book into chapters based upon the original publication order of the monsters).
I'm not really into snazzy books, cool as they are. I think Paizo did a bang-up job of things, overall. Any problems you may have with it are probably pretty minor, and the kind of things you can house-rule your way around. I'd allow a player to choose between the beta or current half-orc, for example. Both types are cool, and arguably fit the race.
The skill system alone is worth its weight in gold, AFAIC. I'd be happy with a revised, clarified (not new) edition way down the road, and well-tested SUGGESTIONS for GMs who may want other options for their games.
Let's play the #*#& out of this game as it is for a while- say, 5 years or so. It's way cooler than 3.x, any way you slice it. My gorgeous $50 book is a long way from worn out!
I would like to see not so much expansion or revision of rules, but more high-quality adventures with greater variety of plot, more setting details, more gamemastering tools/templates (e.g., all of the stats for an orc/hobgob/kobold army, from grunt to general) and basically anything that concentrates on the practical aspects of using of the system for play, rather than on the system itself.
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The enterprise that is Pathfinder is what we make it. Pathfinder RPG arrives to us, and let us take it forward, carry it into the next decade. Tomorrow will care for itself. For now, let's roll some dice and play, have fun, and bring along a friend or two to a game that continues the tradition of the world's oldest roleplaying game.
As for me and my sturdy copy... I expect the quality and excellence of Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook to last through 2016 as well. And I hope to see you all at PAIZOCON IIX to discuss planning a few tweaks for second edition!
In the mean time, there is so very much to do—and not to worry. This is just the beginning! The open game movement is now just truly getting started, and the game is now led not by a megacorp, but by the publisher who published Gary Gygax's last work, and by a team that respects and carries the torch of 30+ years of time-honored traditions.
In sum, amazing things will happen in the next 2-3 years. Things much more exciting than just another core rulebook. And as I look forward toward the future's horizon, I am so very happy that PAIZO is at the helm.
—Pax
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... For now, let's roll some dice and play, have fun, and bring along a friend or two to a game that continues the tradition of the world's oldest roleplaying game.
... I am so very happy that PAIZO is at the helm.
—Pax
Hear, hear!
I just ordered my copy of the Pathfinder core book and am looking forward to when I can run a game. My guess is it'll end up being a 3.5/Pathfinder/other D20/Homebrew hybrid.
My hope is that the majority of Pathfinder material that comes continues to be Pathfinder adventures (stand alone and as part of adventure paths). A few "big" releases a year like a new Bestiary or a book of core/prestige classes or a rogue's gallery type supplement or books along the lines of WotC's old Heroes of Battle and Heroes of Horror - books designed to run games around certain themes or concepts.
How about a really high end atlas or even globe of Golarian?
A set of good software tools for character/monster/encounter creation using the Pathfinder system would be really nice too.
L
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What do people think or wish.
They will publish books (just as they are now with their Companion books) and possible (hopefully non campaign/module specific books) like wizards did with Complete Divine, etc.
I'm excited, I love what Paizo has done and I love they are carrying the torch. I'm buying as much of their older stock as I can afford when I can afford them. My goal is to have everything they have published (3.5 compat) by the end of the year like I have every single WotC book every published pre 4th edition (I have the 4E PHB/DMG/MM/MM2 tho.)
Just a few thoughts. I think it could last longer then 10+ years, don't get me wrong I'm sure they'll be revised rulsets but lets be honest about the 3.x system, which is includes a lot of house (ie publisher) ruled sub-systems and the like. 3rd has been the most refined rule system ever, with the possible exception of Call of Cathulu, and in that case one can say that 1st ed CoC can work with current ed. of CoC, which is up to what edition 6? Will Pahtfinder need some refinement, sure no such thing as the perfect system, but I think now its a system with most of the kinks ironed out, and which just about eveyone and their sister at lest has heard of and implaminted the house rules, fixes, and/or 3pp rule set too. Thats good position to be in for a long long run.
Besides the system could go on forever as the main product line are the great adventures.
TTFN DRE
I hope Paizo leave the rules alone for the foreseeable future and go back to what they are hands-down the best at - well thought out and usable supplements, superb adventures and a well-realised gameworld.
I like the pathfinder rules, but I don't find them that far ahead of the competition. It's very good, but there are lots of very good RPGs around. In contrast, I really struggle to think of a publisher of adventures/supplements I would consider in the same league as Paizo.
My hope is that the majority of Pathfinder material that comes continues to be Pathfinder adventures (stand alone and as part of adventure paths). A few "big" releases a year like a new Bestiary or a book of core/prestige classes or a rogue's gallery type supplement or books along the lines of WotC's old Heroes of Battle and Heroes of Horror - books designed to run games around certain themes or concepts.
Here's the plan: Pathfinder will remain Pathfinder! There is yet another Pathfinder product line around, but that won't affect the other lines (except for changing the ruleset they use):
Pathfinder Adventure Paths will continue to be released every month.
Pathfinder Modules and Pathfinder Companions will continue to alternate months.
Pathfinder Chronicles will continue to do its thing by having books and other stuff on a semi-regular basis.
Pathfinder Scenarios will be there, too.
In addition, we get a Pathfinder RPG book every 3-4 months. I have heard no plans whatsoever for shortchanging those other lines.
A set of good software tools for character/monster/encounter creation using the Pathfinder system would be really nice too.
Not by Paizo, though. They're not a software company. Look for that stuff in the releases of other companies.
I hope Paizo leave the rules alone for the foreseeable future and go back to what they are hands-down the best at - well thought out and usable supplements, superb adventures and a well-realised gameworld.
I want to have my cake and eat it, too. And that's what I'll be able to. See above: They will do both.
And while their modules and campaign setting material is top notch, I think their RPG stuff is pretty good, too.
I like the pathfinder rules, but I don't find them that far ahead of the competition. It's very good, but there are lots of very good RPGs around.
I do. But then again, 3e has always been the game of choice for me, and Paizo improved on it. I like other systems, too, but they just aren't as important to me as Pathfinder. Plus, all my Golarion Goodness runs on Pathfinder!
I'll be interested in what they come up with next.
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The enterprise that is Pathfinder is what we make it. Pathfinder RPG arrives to us, and let us take it forward, carry it into the next decade. Tomorrow will care for itself. For now, let's roll some dice and play, have fun, and bring along a friend or two to a game that continues the tradition of the world's oldest roleplaying game.
As for me and my sturdy copy... I expect the quality and excellence of Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook to last through 2016 as well. And I hope to see you all at PAIZOCON IIX to discuss planning a few tweaks for second edition!
In the mean time, there is so very much to do—and not to worry. This is just the beginning! The open game movement is now just truly getting started, and the game is now led not by a megacorp, but by the publisher who published Gary Gygax's last work, and by a team that respects and carries the torch of 30+ years of time-honored traditions.
In sum, amazing things will happen in the next 2-3 years. Things much more exciting than just another core rulebook. And as I look forward toward the future's horizon, I am so very happy that PAIZO is at the helm.
—Pax
Tears of joy, could not have said it better.
I want to have my cake and eat it, too. And that's what I'll be able to. See above: They will do both.
It's no slur on them to say that, if they devote resources and energy to developing a second edition of Pathfinder, they will necessarily do less with their other products. It's a fact of life - they do not have unlimited resources.
To be clear though - I wasnt objecting to ongoing 'rules-based products'. I'm very glad the Pathfinder RPG line is going to be an ongoing thing and I fully expect their supplements (ie upcoming gamemastery book, screen, etcetera...) to be excellent quality. What I am hoping they deprioritise is a 2nd edition of pathfinder. (Personally, I'm far more excited by the gamemastery book than I was about the Pathfinder RPG)
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My gaming group had this sort of discussion when 4e was announced. We decided that we really didn't NEED a new edition of the game. BUT, we would like editions of the books. Our 3e books went though a lot of use and needed replacement around the time 3.5 came out. We figured that new BOOK editions with text corrections/elaborations would be the best for us. That's what I hope Paizo does. They have fantastic modules and a great setting. Concentrate on during out great gaming material but not new game rules. That being said, I look forward to spending more mone at Paizo. :)
I would like to see not so much expansion or revision of rules, but more high-quality adventures with greater variety of plot, more setting details, more gamemastering tools/templates (e.g., all of the stats for an orc/hobgob/kobold army, from grunt to general) and basically anything that concentrates on the practical aspects of using of the system for play, rather than on the system itself.
I feel I have to agree somewhat with Michael's comments. I played the old white boxed set of D&D, then moved on to the blue boxed-set, then on to AD&D, then to 2nd Edition. When the news came out about the impending release of 3rd edition, I was furious. I had a huge library of 2nd edition material that literally took up shelves in my gaming library. But when 3e was preceeded by the 12-month countdown in Dragon magazine, I became curious. As soon as the core rulebooks were released, I was astonished. My gaming group immediately chose to switch over. Many of us got together to "study" the new system, and with use of the conversion guide, we had our previous 2e characters up and running in the new syatem. Over the next few years, my 3e collection of books, etc. took up shelves of space in my gaming library.
Then came the announcement of 4e. I was torn. I very much enjoyed the 3.5 system that had made some relatively minor changes and felt there would be little 4e could offer to improve on the game. I found myself asking how much of 3.5 needed fixing to warrant an entirely new numbered edition? I remembered my initial reaction to the news of 3e, however, so I decided to be as fair-minded as I could and check out 4e. I played a few games and I DM'ed a few games, and the entire process left me feeling unsatisfied. In no way did I feel that 4e was an improvement over 3.5. Most frustrating of all was the addition of new classes and races at the exclusion of old ones (yeah I know, the 4e PHB2 fixed that). So I asked not only myself, but others, why did WOTC feel the need to bring out a completely different version of the game? One of the answers I commonly heard was that the vast majority of WOTC's income from D&D products came from the core rulebooks. Now, it seems they had reached the saturation point, and were witnessing a decrease in sales of those three books. Releasing an entirely new set of rules would result in the faithful rebuying the core books, and it might bring in the next generation of gamers.
My current gaming group voted 100% to stay away from 4e. We continued playing 3.5, and have been running through the Rise of the Runelords. Once news of Pathfinder RPG got out, we checked both the Alpha and Beta releases, and bought four copies of the hardcover upon its release. We made the agreement to give it a thorough review before changing over, but within two days unanimously agreed that our next gaming session would be with Pathfinder rules.
So to come full circle and return to my agreement with Michael's comments, if Paizo needs to release an updated version of Pathfinder to make fixes to the system, I do not begrudge them that right. If Paizo decides to follow WOTC's lead and release a new edition just to revitalize revenue streams, I will stick with the original Pathfinder system and have a tremendous amount of fun with an outdated set of rules.
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if Paizo needs to release an updated version of Pathfinder to make fixes to the system, I do not begrudge them that right. If Paizo decides to follow WOTC's lead and release a new edition just to revitalize revenue streams, I will stick with the original Pathfinder system and have a tremendous amount of fun with an outdated set of rules.
Fortunately as James Jacobs said above, he hopes PFRPG to go on for at least a decade, and I believe him. Paizo walks with the animals and talks with the animals. They are with us and speak their minds quite freely. There is no bait and switch like we saw with 3.5 products in the last year and a half at WotC.
WotC purposely kept 4.0 a secret to keep everyone buying 3.5 products. Paizo on the otherhand announced Pathfinder RPG very early (and to its own peril). Paizo was still kicking out a lot of 3.5 products while creating Pathfinder RPG. They were prepared to lose a lot of subscribers, believing a lot of gamers would just "wait and see" what Pathfinder RPG was all about before committing their money.
I guess you could say I stand by the integrity and the mission behind Paizo's business practices. I also believe that they like to create high quality adventures, and that is why they chose to create Pathfider RPG. Pathfinder RPG allows them to continue to write adventures. 3.5 core books are not going to be easy to find eventually, and new gamers need to have Pathfinder RPG and Bestiary to play.
If Paizo decides to follow WOTC's lead and release a new edition just to revitalize revenue streams, I will stick with the original Pathfinder system and have a tremendous amount of fun with an outdated set of rules.
I am going to be honest and say that statements like this bother my sensibilities. I don't want to start an argument, but I am curious as to why people seem to begrudge WotC's or Paizo's need to stay profitable as a business.
From my understanding part of the reason 3e was designed was to make it so that people needed new core rule books. I could be wrong but I thought a major reason TSR went bankrupt was due to dwindling sales of core books across the 90's because people would only have to buy a single book to play and they may not ever have to replace that book. Once they reached market saturation the sales started to dry up and they no longer were able to pay their debts. (I also understand that the company was seriously managed wrong which led to massive debts beyond the norm.)
The way I understand it is that for WotC to stay in business producing D&D they need to release a new set of core rules around every 4 to 5 years or they will start losing money. Also it seems that about every decade or so a complete new edition of the game is needed with major rules changes to "revitalize" the income stream. It seems part of the reason they massively changed the rules is to make sure that you would have to buy all new rule books to play the game instead of simply using your old 3.x books with rule change print outs. It makes perfect sense for a business to do this. (I am aware though that the developers at WotC actually seem to enjoy the new edition.)
Why would you decide to walk away from a company that made products you have enjoyed simply because they need money to stay in business?
On another note, since apparently for WotC modules and source books don't seem to be profitable enough to support business costs, what kind of alternative system would you suggest they adopt so that they could stay in business? I am curious about this especially since Paizo could theoretically have to release a new edition at some point in the future to revitalize their revenue streams.
Thank you for your time,
Rzach