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Possible Core Book Errata: So apparently singing isn't versatile


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One point of errata has already caught my eye in the classes chapter. Perform (sing) isn't even listed under Versatile Performance for Bards. It's barely even on the table in the Skills chapter, slung on at the bottom and out of alphabetical order, looking like some sort of last minute, "oops, almost forgot that one" kind of addition.

So Jason, or whoever: which two skills should it allow effective duplication of? Nothing has both Diplomacy and Intimidate listed, that was just my first thought, or maybe Intimidate and Sense Motive.


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Hmm, yep, missing.

Keyboard has Diplomacy and Intimidate, btw. Sense Motive makes sense to me (reading vocal fluctuation), assuming it's not an intentional absence. Diplomacy seems highly appropriate, but maybe Handle Animal?

Edit: Awesome Jason! (little early there isn't it? - morning flight?)

Paizo Employee Director of Game Design

We caught this very early, but not in time to get it fixed in the book. It is covered in the first update, due out tomorrow.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

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Jason Bulmahn wrote:

We caught this very early, but not in time to get it fixed in the book. It is covered in the first update, due out tomorrow.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

I know you've probably answered this before... but are future erratas going to be incorporated into the PDF? I.E. if you put out errata on a topic 1 year from now would the PDF be updated to include that so we can always have a hard copy of the "most up to date" information?

/derail

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Jason Bulmahn wrote:

We caught this very early, but not in time to get it fixed in the book. It is covered in the first update, due out tomorrow.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

OK. Good to know. This thread can be gassed/closed/coup de grace'd, then.

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Majuba wrote:

Hmm, yep, missing.

Keyboard has Diplomacy and Intimidate, btw. Sense Motive makes sense to me (reading vocal fluctuation), assuming it's not an intentional absence. Diplomacy seems highly appropriate, but maybe Handle Animal?

Edit: Awesome Jason! (little early there isn't it? - morning flight?)

Snake Charming? Which is actually done with the vibrations of the charmer's feet IIRC, not the sound of the flute, hence Percussion.


Other Bardic Music Questions:

Page 36 wrote:


"Each bardic performance has audible components, visual components, or both."

I can't find any reference to which perform types correspond to audible, visual or both. Is this meant to be left up the the DM?

Page 36 wrote:


"At 1st level, a bard can use his performance to counter magic effects that depend on sight. Each round of the distraction, he makes a Perform(act, comedy, dance, or oratory) skill check."

Does this mean Oratory is considered visual? Both?

Page 103 wrote:


"A bard must have a minimum number of ranks to use his Bardic Performance abilities. Consult the Bardic Performance section of the bard class description in Chapter 3 for more details."

The Bardic Performance section referenced does not address minimum skill requirements; all requirements are listed as simply level dependent.

Many Bardic Performances require audible and visual performance to function. Does this mean that a bard may use two perform skills - sing and dance for example - or that the bard must use a skill that is both audible and visual. If the bard is required to do something that is both audible and visual, which performance types qualify?


/keeping derailed

Alizor wrote:

I know you've probably answered this before... but are future erratas going to be incorporated into the PDF? I.E. if you put out errata on a topic 1 year from now would the PDF be updated to include that so we can always have a hard copy of the "most up to date" information?

/derail

I'm not sure if that would be a very good idea for at least two reasons. First it would likely require changing the books overall layout as more text is added. This could end up breaking page number references which is one of the elements under the PFRGP compatibility agreement if I remember right. Second it make the PDF and actual hard copy inconsistent with each other, and only add confusions. Take a look a d20srd.org (which has done its best in incorporate errata) and the real SRD which does not.

A stand alone errata sheet still seems the best way as that can still be printed and stuffed in the back of the PFRPG book for additional reference.

One thing you could always do to your PDF is use various annotation software to add pop-out notes with the errata as it is released.

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Dorje Sylas wrote:

/keeping derailed

Alizor wrote:

I know you've probably answered this before... but are future erratas going to be incorporated into the PDF? I.E. if you put out errata on a topic 1 year from now would the PDF be updated to include that so we can always have a hard copy of the "most up to date" information?

/derail

I'm not sure if that would be a very good idea for at least two reasons. First it would likely require changing the books overall layout as more text is added. This could end up breaking page number references which is one of the elements under the PFRGP compatibility agreement if I remember right. Second it make the PDF and actual hard copy inconsistent with each other, and only add confusions. Take a look a d20srd.org (which has done its best in incorporate errata) and the real SRD which does not.

A stand alone errata sheet still seems the best way as that can still be printed and stuffed in the back of the PFRPG book for additional reference.

One thing you could always do to your PDF is use various annotation software to add pop-out notes with the errata as it is released.

Agreed that putting the errata in the actual PDF could cause problems, but could we have the PDF updated with a change-bar or an icon in the margin so that we know that an area of the rules has been updated by an errata?

The trouble with annotating our copy of the PDF is that if the official PDF is updated for any reason, we have to do it all again.


Dorje Sylas wrote:
Second it make the PDF and actual hard copy inconsistent with each other, and only add confusions. Take a look a d20srd.org (which has done its best in incorporate errata) and the real SRD which does not.

I agree that it's difficult to add errata to the PDF, but I love having the web site incorporate all official errata!

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