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Pen and Paper Games reviews the Pathfinder RPG (Final Version)


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My Thoughts
The one thing that I think this book really could have been improved by was more callouts. As a longtime player of Third Edition, I tend to want to skim over the parts that seem familiar and go straight to the changes. I started to do this with this book, and found immediately when I made my first character that I had missed a well-hidden rule that explained how first level hitpoints were generated. It had been tucked away in the terms and definitions section which I had been quick to skip over. With so many subtle changes to the rules, callouts that pointed out key changes from 3.5e would have made jumping into this new edition a lot easier.

Nonetheless, after having played a couple of sessions using the final rules, I could scarcely be happier with what Paizo has done. The rules flowed nicely, and most importantly....

Full review can be found here.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

joela wrote:
With so many subtle changes to the rules, callouts that pointed out key changes from 3.5e would have made jumping into this new edition a lot easier.

We made a deliberate choice not to confuse new players with a bunch of conversion tips for a game system they may know nothing about. Conversion information will be available online.

Besides, even folks coming from 3.5 won't miss this after a month or two, and indeed, some may eventually be glad that we didn't waste the space.

We've written this book with the long term in mind.


Vic Wertz wrote:
joela wrote:
With so many subtle changes to the rules, callouts that pointed out key changes from 3.5e would have made jumping into this new edition a lot easier.

We made a deliberate choice not to confuse new players with a bunch of conversion tips for a game system they may know nothing about. Conversion information will be available online.

Besides, even folks coming from 3.5 won't miss this after a month or two, and indeed, some may eventually be glad that we didn't waste the space.

We've written this book with the long term in mind.

Vic, is there going to be an online list of changes posted somewhere for the veteran players to peruse?

-Steve


Hey, I'll bet you a Pathfinder Bestiary that there will be. You on?

Vic Wertz wrote:
We made a deliberate choice not to confuse new players with a bunch of conversion tips for a game system they may know nothing about. Conversion information will be available online.

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

In soft-bound sourcebooks I kind of appreciate "behind the scenes" sidebars (such as notes pointing out when changes were made and why). Same with playtest pdfs.

For a 500-something-page full color core rulebook, however, I think leaving that sort of thing out was a good idea.


joela wrote:

My Thoughts

The one thing that I think this book really could have been improved by was more callouts. As a longtime player of Third Edition, I tend to want to skim over the parts that seem familiar and go straight to the changes. I started to do this with this book, and found immediately when I made my first character that I had missed a well-hidden rule that explained how first level hitpoints were generated. It had been tucked away in the terms and definitions section which I had been quick to skip over. With so many subtle changes to the rules, callouts that pointed out key changes from 3.5e would have made jumping into this new edition a lot easier.

Nonetheless, after having played a couple of sessions using the final rules, I could scarcely be happier with what Paizo has done. The rules flowed nicely, and most importantly....

Full review can be found here.

I am also hoping for a "from 3.5 to PFRPG" conversion document that calls out the key changes. Such a document will be invaluable for our first few games, but rapidly become useless as we absorb the information, so I'm glad to have it separate (and free!).


WelbyBumpus wrote:
joela wrote:

My Thoughts

The one thing that I think this book really could have been improved by was more callouts. As a longtime player of Third Edition, I tend to want to skim over the parts that seem familiar and go straight to the changes. I started to do this with this book, and found immediately when I made my first character that I had missed a well-hidden rule that explained how first level hitpoints were generated. It had been tucked away in the terms and definitions section which I had been quick to skip over. With so many subtle changes to the rules, callouts that pointed out key changes from 3.5e would have made jumping into this new edition a lot easier.

Nonetheless, after having played a couple of sessions using the final rules, I could scarcely be happier with what Paizo has done. The rules flowed nicely, and most importantly....

Full review can be found here.

I am also hoping for a "from 3.5 to PFRPG" conversion document that calls out the key changes. Such a document will be invaluable for our first few games, but rapidly become useless as we absorb the information, so I'm glad to have it separate (and free!).

I concur!


WelbyBumpus wrote:
I am also hoping for a "from 3.5 to PFRPG" conversion document that calls out the key changes. Such a document will be invaluable for our first few games, but rapidly become useless as we absorb the information, so I'm glad to have it separate (and free!).

Good news then. One will be available. Jason Bulmahn said so in writing in an article he wrote for Kobold Quarterly #10 about the new edition.

It has been stated elsewhere as well.

(Unless they retract it, but they've committed to it in print. I'm positive they'll follow through but I love disclaimers.)

EDIT: And yeah.. I think it was VERY WISE to make it a seperate document.

Paizo Employee Director of Game Design

Watcher wrote:
Good news then. One will be available. Jason Bulmahn said so in writing in an article he wrote for Kobold Quarterly #10 about the new edition.

This is still true.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Liberty's Edge

I can see where it well be use full I personally never played 3.5 or 3.0. Well I guess that is a lie I think I did two sessions and my character was made up for me.

So far I have mostly played 4e and RoleMaster RPG.

What has me excited about this is after playing these other games I have felt something is always missing. There has been the constant back and forth I have been reading on different forums on which is better and from the most part I see 3.5 arguments have one me over (not saying it is right for everyone).

Plus the other material I have seen that Pazio put out convinced me this well be the one for me.

So the fact as a new player it is great not to have to see "this is changed from..."

At any rate here is to me actually doing what I said I never would do at Gencon...and that is wait at the door until it opens at 10 am. I REALY want to get a copy of it and I am a subscriber of it but I will not see it until I get back to Alaska (except for the PDF) plus figured I could use two copies if I cam going to CONVERT non believers!

Sean


Game Geeks reviews Pathfinder RPG on YouTube.

That is one hefty boook...!


WelbyBumpus wrote:
I am also hoping for a "from 3.5 to PFRPG" conversion document that calls out the key changes. Such a document will be invaluable for our first few games, but rapidly become useless as we absorb the information, so I'm glad to have it separate (and free!).

Personally, I'm not so worried about key changes from 3.5 as much as I am about minor changes from the Pathfinder Beta version. Small changes are easier to miss.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
hogarth wrote:


Personally, I'm not so worried about key changes from 3.5 as much as I am about minor changes from the Pathfinder Beta version. Small changes are easier to miss.

Sure are, it'll be a looong sloooow read then.... can't bloody wait!


Jason Bulmahn wrote:
Watcher wrote:
Good news then. One will be available. Jason Bulmahn said so in writing in an article he wrote for Kobold Quarterly #10 about the new edition.

This is still true.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Nice new Avatar Jason, esp keeping in the spirit of the new Age of Pathfinder.

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