Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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magnuskn wrote:
Lotsa internet tough guys out here today, I see. So, how did you react to Neds death when you read the book? I was pretty damned shocked for a while, I can tell you.

I was shocked, but mostly because I didn't see it coming. Ned was a good character, but even by then I think Dany, Jon, Arya and Tyrion were my favorite characters. Overall though I think it's the unpredictability of the series that I love.

Spoiler:
But the red wedding really threw me for a loop - not only didn't I see that coming, I was viscerally shocked. By the events (never thought Catelyn would be murdered like that), and by the casual references to it later as the red wedding. That was just an unholy monster of a plot twist

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I just wish someone would give Larry Williams a hug.

Because episode 9...damn.


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Seabyrn wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Lotsa internet tough guys out here today, I see. So, how did you react to Neds death when you read the book? I was pretty damned shocked for a while, I can tell you.
** spoiler omitted **

As for your spoiler, yeah I didn't see that one coming either. I expected something to happen, but not that.

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Sort of puts the thread title in a new perspective...

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Erik Mona wrote:

Sort of puts the thread title in a new perspective...

zing

When I first heard he was being cast as Ned Stark, I imagined the production meeting in my head as the suits pitched him on the role.

"So, Sean, remember how you played Boromir in Lord of the Rings. We loved you in that, man, and we think we have a great role for you. Even better than that one. I mean, you get to wield an awesome sword, wear a lot of armor, become a great ruler of men... and, hey, you'll be free for summer! Sequel rights? Yeah, don't think you'll need to worry about that..." :)

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On a lighter note, Tyrion getting knocked out was one of the funniest things I've seen on T.V. in a while. I had to hit the pause button I was laughing so hard.

I then proceeded to rewind it at least five times to watch it again. I'm chuckling as I type this. Absolutely hilarious!!


Seabyrn wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Lotsa internet tough guys out here today, I see. So, how did you react to Neds death when you read the book? I was pretty damned shocked for a while, I can tell you.

I was shocked, but mostly because I didn't see it coming. Ned was a good character, but even by then I think Dany, Jon, Arya and Tyrion were my favorite characters. Overall though I think it's the unpredictability of the series that I love.

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah concerning the thing mentioned in your spoiler, I was on the F Train on the way home from work when I read that part and I'm pretty sure my mouth was agape. I had to put the book down for a while after that.


ShinHakkaider wrote:
Seabyrn wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Lotsa internet tough guys out here today, I see. So, how did you react to Neds death when you read the book? I was pretty damned shocked for a while, I can tell you.

I was shocked, but mostly because I didn't see it coming. Ned was a good character, but even by then I think Dany, Jon, Arya and Tyrion were my favorite characters. Overall though I think it's the unpredictability of the series that I love.

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah concerning the thing mentioned in your spoiler, I was on the F Train on the way home from work when I read that part and I'm pretty sure my mouth was agape. I had to put the book down for a while after that.

Part of what got me about it was that in hindsight it was a perfectly plausible set of events, that was perfectly in keeping with the characters involved, and was even foreshadowed heavily, but I still didn't see it coming, and didn't want to believe that something like that would happen.

That's the mark of a truly great writer I think, to subvert your audience's expectations by delivering a more plausible chain of events than they wanted/expected (and really takes advantage of POV story-telling - by setting it up that the character's expectations are unrealistic with the audience following in tow).

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So far my favorite scene has been a certain d-bag getting the crown of gold he so richly deserved. Aerys is growing into a stronger and more interesting character every episode, although she's no longer got the artificial sympathy inspired by her loathsome brother, so it will be a bit more of a challenge to maintain her upward trajectory, I think.

As for the spoiler-y bit,

Spoiler:
I wasn't shocked, I was just annoyed. Idiot walked into everything bad that happened to him and *announced* to people he knew were his enemies (and that had clearly murdered his predecessor for the exact same thing!) exactly what he was doing. Yes, fine the *first* time he got jobbed by the manipulative snakes around him, it was understandable, since that wasn't the sort of thing he was used to. But the second, third and fourth times? No, he was pretty much asking for it, by then. I can't feel bad for someone who consistently sits around slack-jawed while people betray him, over, and over, and over.

I'm still annoyed that the butcher's boy was flat-out murdered all those episodes ago, and Ned didn't do squat about it. Jon Arryn? Murdered. Jon Arryn's squire? Pretty much murdered as well, and he even comments on it being suspicious that the inexperienced squire ended up being knighted just in time to be 'randomly' thrown up against the most brutal man in the kingdom and summarily butchered like the lamb he was. Really, when does the clue-hammer fall?

At least, barring Sorsha and perhaps Bran, his kids seem to be quite clever, particularly Rob, as of this last episode, but also Arya and Jon Snow.

I get the impression from chatter online that this is anything but a high-fantasy series, but I am kinda yearning to see some dragons or some magic... I think I was spoiled by Legend of the Seeker, with Zed throwing fire and stuff around every episode. :)


Set wrote:

I get the impression from chatter online that this is anything but a high-fantasy series, but I am kinda yearning to see some dragons or some magic... I think I was spoiled by Legend of the Seeker, with Zed throwing fire and stuff around every episode. :)

Hang in there. :)

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Paul McCarthy wrote:
Set wrote:
I get the impression from chatter online that this is anything but a high-fantasy series, but I am kinda yearning to see some dragons or some magic...
Hang in there. :)

Woo! Oh yeah, I'm at least caught up in the soap opera, if nothing else.

I have been thinking that the repeated comments about the dragons all being dead are just foreshadowing that someone is going to be very, very mistaken about that, someday...

And the pudgy Black Watch recruit mentioning that he 'wanted to be a wizard' when he grew up at least implies that such a thing *could* exist, even if Jon Snow scoffed at the idea.

I mean, not so long ago, they were all scoffing at the idea of White Watchers, and they aren't scoffing so loudly now... :)


I might be over thinking this but as I finish the first book and start on the second I can't help but wonder

book 1 spoiler:
if the thing in the sky during the intro sequence to the show is supposed to be the sun or the blood red comet


Set I felt that exact same way you did about Ned Stark.

Overall I like more members of the Lannister family than I do Starks.

Even though the series is not magic heavy (even in the next three books) I do like that magic is presented as more subtle by Martin.

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Dennis Harry wrote:
Overall I like more members of the Lannister family than I do Starks.

Funny you mention that. Last night on my commute back home I was thinking something along that line, mainly that I can't help thinking that the Starks/Baratheons make for awful leaders.

Sure in the book/show the Starks are obviously portrayed as the heroes, since the camera/story is centered on that family, but would you imagine a country, in real life, led by people like the Starks?

The Lannisters are more sophisticated and seem to have more skills with trade and politics. If a bunch of modern-day people were teleported in the Seven Kingdoms, they would act similarly in my opinion (i.e. they seem wiser and smarter in a lot of ways, more ambitious, and understand the value of a stable realm - main reason why Littlefinger and the Eunuch are on their side I think... all about the "Realm" and perhaps a bit less about who's wearing the pants)

I mean, imagine Robert Baratheon teleported in our modern world and going to a state function, grabbing the serving girls, getting drunk and making an ass of himself... :P

It seems the Lannisters would fit better in a more educated, more sophisticated setting, and their hatred of the Starks perhaps stem from hatred of the Stark's tribal ways and almost stubborn/simpleminded emphasis on honor.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
It seems the Lannisters would fit better in a more educated, more sophisticated setting, and their hatred of the Starks perhaps stem from hatred of the Stark's tribal ways and almost stubborn/simpleminded emphasis on honor.

The only Lannisters who really have anything against the Starks are Cersei and Tywin, for more or less the same reason.

Spoiler:
Tywin had been trying to set up a marriage between Cersei and Rhaegar Targargyn. At a tourney, Rhaegar declared Lyssana Stark the queen of love and beauty which soured the whole deal. Cersei resented that she lost her chance with the prince to Lyssana and Tywin upset that his machinations were upended.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Funny you mention that. Last night on my commute back home I was thinking something along that line, mainly that I can't help thinking that the Starks/Baratheons make for awful leaders.

I disagree completely: Robert was an awful leader. Ned was actually quite a good one (as was demonstrated in the series by him opposing the tournament, lending his own men to the efforts to police the city, and other similar things, and gone into even more in the books, ss well as by ruling Winterfell well for decades)...he just wasn't quite ruthless enough with his opponents. A flaw, but not inherently enough to make him a bad leader.

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Sure in the book/show the Starks are obviously portrayed as the heroes, since the camera/story is centered on that family, but would you imagine a country, in real life, led by people like the Starks?

People with adminstrative skill and experience who took personal responsibility for their actions and how the country was run, tried to cut down on unnecessary spending, refused to assassinate minors, and supported the law of the land over personal ambition? Hell yes I'd like leaders like that.

The Barratheons are another matter...and one I might be less inclined to support, but you were talking about the Starks.

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
The Lannisters are more sophisticated and seem to have more skills with trade and politics. If a bunch of modern-day people were teleported in the Seven Kingdoms, they would act similarly in my opinion (i.e. they seem wiser and smarter in a lot of ways, more ambitious, and understand the value of a stable realm - main reason why Littlefinger and the Eunuch are on their side I think... all about the "Realm" and perhaps a bit less about who's wearing the pants)

They are indeed more sophisticated. they're better dancers, traders, and even courtiers. Certainly better at dirty political infighting, too. Understand the value of a stable realm? That's Varys's motivation, not that of the Lannisters (who were willing to go to war over Tyrion, remember. Certainly no greater a cause than Ned's worries about Joffrey's legitimacy). They're just ambitious, desiring power and respect over all other things.

Now, I should note at this point that Tyrion and Jaime don't actually fit most of the above statements...but then only Ned's been given the chance to rule, and we're using him to talk about the Starks as a whole, so using Cersei and Tywin to talk about the Lannisters is equally fair.

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
It seems the Lannisters would fit better in a more educated, more sophisticated setting, and their hatred of the Starks perhaps stem from hatred of the Stark's tribal ways and almost stubborn/simpleminded emphasis on honor.

They might. And that's certainly part of the enmity...though by no means all of it. But all that assumes that honor as a concept is somehow a bad trait, which I disagree with. Ned's particular obsessive sense of honor was definitely a flaw...but anything can be a flaw if taken to sufficient extremes. In more modest amounts (like those possessed by most of the other Starks) honor's definitely a good thing, in both a ruler and a person.


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I think the next episode will be the part I've been waiting for the most...it will either guarantee I finish watching the entire series, or quit watching alltogether...hope they do it well!

Spoiler:
Drago's funeral


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Dennis Harry wrote:
Overall I like more members of the Lannister family than I do Starks.

Funny you mention that. Last night on my commute back home I was thinking something along that line, mainly that I can't help thinking that the Starks/Baratheons make for awful leaders.

Sure in the book/show the Starks are obviously portrayed as the heroes, since the camera/story is centered on that family, but would you imagine a country, in real life, led by people like the Starks?

The Lannisters are more sophisticated and seem to have more skills with trade and politics. If a bunch of modern-day people were teleported in the Seven Kingdoms, they would act similarly in my opinion (i.e. they seem wiser and smarter in a lot of ways, more ambitious, and understand the value of a stable realm - main reason why Littlefinger and the Eunuch are on their side I think... all about the "Realm" and perhaps a bit less about who's wearing the pants)

I mean, imagine Robert Baratheon teleported in our modern world and going to a state function, grabbing the serving girls, getting drunk and making an ass of himself... :P

It seems the Lannisters would fit better in a more educated, more sophisticated setting, and their hatred of the Starks perhaps stem from hatred of the Stark's tribal ways and almost stubborn/simpleminded emphasis on honor.

So you are saying people who would push a kid out of window would make better leaders?

Or people who would slaughter innocent people who would make better leaders?

Or people who would do anything for power makes better leaders?

I am sorry but I really have to disagree with you on this. The Lanisters don't make good leaders. As the feel they are above the law.

A note on Littlefinger....he did not side with Lannisters for a more 'stable' realm...he sided with them because he still has a thing for Ned's wife.

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John Kretzer wrote:


I am sorry but I really have to disagree with you on this. The Lanisters don't make good leaders. As the feel they are above the law.

A note on Littlefinger....he did not side with Lannisters for a more 'stable' realm...he sided with them because he still has a thing for Ned's wife.

Tywin and Tyrion are the only Lannisters who are capable of rulership, although Tyrion's reputation and situation prevent others from taking him seriously. Tywin is a bastard, but he knows how far he can push things without going "above the law" and makes conscious efforts to stay within those limits. The only times he really goes outside that is in an effort to contain the mistakes of his family (usually Cersei).

Cersei on the otherhand is pretty much a worst case scenario. Power hungry, paranoid, delusional...honestly, I can't wait to see what happens to her next (although we probably won't get to see much of her again til Book 6).


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


I mean, imagine Robert Baratheon teleported in our modern world and going to a state function, grabbing the serving girls, getting drunk and making an ass of himself... :P

Seriously? Politicians are making drunken asses of themselves in public practically every week (if not every day).

I agree with Deadmanwalking. Robert was a terrible king and the Lannisters would be even worse. I'd far rather live under Stark's rule than either Lannister or Baratheon.

Hell, I'd rather live under the Targaryans (aside from Mad King Aerys).

It's more than a little frightening to me to seep people saying that the Lannisters would be acceptable as rulers.

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Another point in the Stark's favor: They're a hell of a lot more mindful about what's going on up north.

Or at least a higher ratio of their number are than amongst other major houses.

Winter is coming and all that jazz.

SPOILERS FOR THE LATER BOOKS

Spoiler:
I was going to say another point in the Starks' favor is that they don't have monstrous, bloodthirsty psychos working for them, but boy did that ship ever sail. And explode in the harbor. Next to the oil refinery. Surrounded by orphanages.

:(


I am not a big fan of rulership so I would prefer not to have a ruler.

As leaders I would probably prefer the Starks, in a perfect world.

I would prefer the Lannisters or the Starks over Robert.

As someone observing from the outside I like the Lannisters better because they are more practical, not counting Geoffrey or Cersei of course. Any sane person would have handled the situation much differently than Ned Stark did. He is clearly delusional to think that he should have given a ruthless enemy such as Cersei the opportunity to strike against him.

He was warned a number of times that the Lannisters would not play by his rules and he ignored the warning signs. Cersei herself told him a number of times that she would do whatever it took to win.

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Dennis Harry wrote:

Any sane person would have handled the situation much differently than Ned Stark did. He is clearly delusional to think that he should have given a ruthless enemy such as Cersei the opportunity to strike against him.

He was warned a number of times that the Lannisters would not play by his rules and he ignored the warning signs. Cersei herself told him a number of times that she would do whatever it took to win.

I think he seriously misjudged her because she is a woman and didn't think she had what she did in her. I think if the situation had been reversed and it had been Cedric Lannister married to Roberta Barthenon, Ned would have taken the Lannisters more seriously.


Good observation Robert!

I think most men know that women are more deadly than men, just goes to show how naive poor Ned really is. No one talks about the wrath of men scorned :-)


Olondir wrote:
I might be over thinking this but as I finish the first book and start on the second I can't help but wonder ** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Well, winter is coming. :)

George is also a big fan of Vance's Dying Earth as well.

It's been a topic of much discussion on the Westeros forum.

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Wander Weir wrote:
It's more than a little frightening to me to seep people saying that the Lannisters would be acceptable as rulers.

Look back to Earth's history (medieval times) and it won't be long before you find out that the ruling caste was exactly like the Lannisters.


magnuskn wrote:
Lotsa internet tough guys out here today, I see. So, how did you react to Neds death when you read the book? I was pretty damned shocked for a while, I can tell you.

I laughed, and laughed, and laughed. Not because I enjoyed the character's death, per se, but rather at the joy of actually being surprised for a change.

A Question:

Spoiler:
Who did the Weapon Finesse daughter end up with during the execution scene? The Man in Black, I mean?


Mynameisjake wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Lotsa internet tough guys out here today, I see. So, how did you react to Neds death when you read the book? I was pretty damned shocked for a while, I can tell you.

I laughed, and laughed, and laughed. Not because I enjoyed the character's death, per se, but rather at the joy of actually being surprised for a change.

A Question:

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Yoren I think.

Next question:

Spoiler:
Who's Yoren?

On a relate note:

Anyone interested in posting a list of current/deceased characters (without spoilers) to help us noobs keep them straight?

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Mynameisjake wrote:

Next question:

** spoiler omitted **

On a relate note:

Anyone interested in posting a list of current/deceased characters (without spoilers) to help us noobs keep them straight?

I haven't seen the show, so I don't know how clear it is, but

Spoiler:
Yoren was a member of the Night's Watch sent to collect recruits for the Wall.


Thanks, RL.


Tywin, Joff and Cersei are not typical Lannisters it seems.

Tyrion would be the best ruler of all characters, or maester Aemon.


Best ruler?

Spoiler:

I would go with Danaerys for that title. She is the only one who has actually considered that being a ruler means a pretty heavy responsibility, been willing to take risks to protect her people, and seems to be blazingly talented at leadership despite spending her youth being a pretty bargaining chip. She is young but quite brilliant, and not overly naive.

Another one who has stepped up well to the fence is Stannis Baratheon, even if he's moping a bit too much.

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Mynameisjake wrote:
Thanks, RL.

Yep, Yoren is a Night's Watch recruiter.

Spoiler:
He's the guy that was joking around with Tyrion at the Wall, prompting Tyrion to comment that he was the only member of the Night's Watch with a sense of humor. He then accompanied Tyrion south and saw him get arrested by Cat, so Yoren then warned Eddard about the arrest.


Well, I think I can say this without giving too much away, but Tywin is the reason all of his kids are screwed up.

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I have a feeling tonights episode is going to be dragging.

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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
I have a feeling tonights episode is going to be dragging.

Is that your try on a Pun?.. ;)

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Few shows have actually given me chills up and down my back, but tonight's episode ended with a big one. That was a phenomenal ending, and at the same time I'm rather fearful of what will happen next. Daeny seems to have everything going for her right now, but what will happen across the sea? **Shudder**.


Great finale. Hopefully that keeps people pumped up for Season 2. Even my wife thought it was great and she is not a fan of the genre.

The best part was she thought I was kidding about Ned Stark, she was stunned and the beginning of the finale. :-)


I haven't read the books but I do love the show.

One question that I still don't have a good answer for is why does Cersei still want Joffrey to marry the Stark girl? What's the point of this marriage since the Lannisters are actively engaged in a war with the Starks and killed their beloved leader, what good will marrying a Stark do? It certainly won't pacify any of the Starks. I understand why they would want the Stark girls as hostages but why bother with the whole forced marriage thing at this point?

As a reminder, I did not read the books, so if they do a better job of explaining this I don't know it.

Also regarding the Lannisters being better than the Starks as leaders, well it seems Cersei and Jamie have a pretty big character flaw that would exclude them from being good leaders, IMHO. They have, uhh, very selective breeding requirements after all!

Great show. I hope the fans of the books are enjoying it as well.

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cibet44 wrote:

I haven't read the books but I do love the show.

One question that I still don't have a good answer for is why does Cersei still want Joffrey to marry the Stark girl? What's the point of this marriage since the Lannisters are actively engaged in a war with the Starks and killed their beloved leader, what good will marrying a Stark do? It certainly won't pacify any of the Starks. I understand why they would want the Stark girls as hostages but why bother with the whole forced marriage thing at this point?

As a reminder, I did not read the books, so if they do a better job of explaining this I don't know it.

Also regarding the Lannisters being better than the Starks as leaders, well it seems Cersei and Jamie have a pretty big character flaw that would exclude them from being good leaders, IMHO. They have, uhh, very selective breeding requirements after all!

Great show. I hope the fans of the books are enjoying it as well.

If she is married to Joffrey and they can kill off all the other starks it would give them the rightful claim to Starks lands.

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The Lannisters love to humiliate and depower others, especially the Starks. That is why they are keeping the Stark girl around.

Spoiler:
I also heard mention of an upcoming event called the Red Wedding in another spoiler above. But having not read the books, I hesitate to imagine what this might be, although it brings up all sorts of grisly visions.

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Bhrymm wrote:
If she is married to Joffrey and they can kill off all the other starks it would give them the rightful claim to Starks lands.

That's right, it's not meant to pacify the Starks, they know that's not happening after what went down with Eddard. It's also not just to humiliate her, as they don't have to go forward with the marriage to do that. They're doing it so that if they win the war, they can use Sansa to exercise direct control over the North.

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Haven't watched the final episode yet, though having read the books I have a fair idea of what happens. Ned's untimely death was a shock to me the first time I read it, but that isn't the scene I have to skip over every time I re-read book 1. What bothers me more than any other event in the series thus far:

Spoiler:
The death of Dany's baby. I don't know how much of Dany's vision of her son they go into in the show, if any, but that whole scene is the cruelest by far written by GRRM. And the fact that the witch really was everything bad the Dothraki warned she was...a brilliant but terrible twist. In my opinion, this is the strongest argument we are given that in this story, doing something good out of pure intentions can go very, very badly for you.

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Woo, season 2 airs right after I get home!


Natalie Dormer - Anne Boelyn from THE TUDORS - has been cast as Margaery Tyrell for Season 2 of the show.


Werthead wrote:
Natalie Dormer - Anne Boelyn from THE TUDORS - has been cast as Margaery Tyrell for Season 2 of the show.

I know and I'm very excited - she was smokin' hot in The Tudors - can't wait to see her in GoT.

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Werthead wrote:
Natalie Dormer - Anne Boelyn from THE TUDORS - has been cast as Margaery Tyrell for Season 2 of the show.

YOWSER! HAHOOOGA! HAHOOOGA! DIVE, DIVE, DIVE!!!!!! BRACE FOR SHOCK, BRACE FOR SHOCK!!


She looks exactly like Margaery, hope she doesn't get old in the seasons 4-5. Does she even appear in A Clash of Kings? Tough it seems the second season will have more time for character development.

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Numerian wrote:
She looks exactly like Margaery, hope she doesn't get old in the seasons 4-5. Does she even appear in A Clash of Kings? Tough it seems the second season will have more time for character development.

I'm very interested to see Brienne of Tarth. :D

The way George R.R. Martin describes her almost any time she appears, makes me think he could have some personal issues with her. hehe...

Btw... did you Guys already hear this cool interpretation of the Opening Song?

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