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I have not read any of the books, but I'm really enjoying the show (even though I seem to be at least 20% confused as to what's going on at pretty much all times :)
For those of you who know the books, what is the story with the slave woman who acted as interpreter which Daenerys freed and now seems to have befriended? Is she in the books? I did a little Wiki research but didn't find anything. She and Daenerys seem to have a lot of on-screen chemistry and I'm curious if she and Daenerys become close friends ...
Missandei...who in the books is something like 10-11 years old. There is more of a mother-daughter vibe between those characters in the books, but obviously thats not a direction they are taking with show Missandei.
Not sure if I spelled her name right...going off of memory.
For those of you who know the books, what is the story with the slave woman who acted as interpreter which Daenerys freed and now seems to have befriended? Is she in the books? I did a little Wiki research but didn't find anything. She and Daenerys seem to have a lot of on-screen chemistry and I'm curious if she and Daenerys become close friends ...
As said above, Missandei in the books is a very young child and Dany kind of takes her under her wing. For the TV show they seem to have cast older to replace the character of Irri, who was killed off in late Season 2 (she's Dany's Dothraki handmaid, killed when the dragons were stolen in Qarth) but in the books is still alive and well.
Without spoiling future books for others did Arrya meet the Red woman in book 3? I dont remember that scene happening and i dont remember her even being at the camp?
I did not recall that either.
I think that was a consequence of combining Edric Storm and Gendry, and also allowed Melissandre to stand in for the Ghost of High Heart.
I wonder if Martin approved of that conversation and that is something that may happen down the line on the show or books?
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I wonder if Martin approved of that conversation and that is something that may happen down the line on the show or books?
Martin has no power to approve or disapprove of anything happening in the show - he gave up that ability when he signed the contract with HBO. While he may act as an advisor, he's not the one calling the shots.
The show already stirred away from the book on several critical things, so if this causes a ripple effect, well... it will cause a ripple effect. Not much to do about it.
Here's a semi-spoiler: The soundtrack for Season 3. Check out track 16.
Oh my...
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Okay, it's a little contrived that she would arrive back for the wedding, on the eve of a triumph for the Starks, but I'll let is slide because it will be so great to see Ary reunited with her family!
Walder Frey isn't that bad, Rob's really the one being the uptight prick.
Things are coming up Milhous for Dani, even Brutus is having a good time.
Wait...what just happened?
Wait...what the f*@$? Rob just took an arrow?!? Everyone's f#~+ing dying?
Is this a dream or a vision from Bran...
HOLY SHIT THEY SHOT CAITLYN!!!
Okay, this is just...that can't be right...they cut the scene, maybe they're alright and...
THE WOLF?!?!? YOU KILLED THE WOLF!?!?! YOU BASTARDS!!!
Okay...okay...I don't quite see how Rob's going to get out of this even if his mother cuts a deal, and I can't imagine that Frey cares about his daughter, but maybe, just maybe, one of them makes it out alive and...
Holy.
F#$!ing.
Shit.
Hahaha.
I've been waiting ever so long for this episode and people's reactions to it. I think the next few days are going to be very amusing to me.
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Gotta love that Roose Bolton, though; dude's a survivor.
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Gotta love that Roose Bolton, though; dude's a survivor.
Can we have a way of identifying and separating show spoilers from book spoilers, please? Just read your spoiler thinking it related to tonight's episode. And I'm only 1/3 of the way through reading the first book.
Greg
It seems like this series loves to kill anyone with a G in their alignment, meanwhile all the E’s (and N’s) have free reign and pretty much run the place.
Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones' theme is basically "Bad things happen to good people. But the bad people eventually suffer similar gruesome fates."
So scratch that, the theme is actually "Bad things happen to people. All the time and for all sorts of reasons."
It seems like this series loves to kill anyone with a G in their alignment, meanwhile all the E’s (and N’s) have free reign and pretty much run the place.
More to the point, I think the show says quite significantly that a person's worldview and ideology cannot be boiled neatly down to one of nine descriptions.
It seems like this series loves to kill anyone with a G in their alignment, meanwhile all the E’s (and N’s) have free reign and pretty much run the place.More to the point, I think the show says quite significantly that a person's worldview and ideology cannot be boiled neatly down to one of nine descriptions.
And also, that if your ethical inflexibility keeps you from exploring all venues, you'll be sorely disadvantaged against those without such self-imposed limitations.
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Gotta love that Roose Bolton, though; dude's a survivor.
Can we have a way of identifying and separating show spoilers from book spoilers, please? Just read your spoiler thinking it related to tonight's episode. And I'm only 1/3 of the way through reading the first book.
Greg
My post did relate to last night's episode, pretty directly.
And yes, it's totally gruesome, but I want see it on screen.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but if you're trying not to spoil the first book for yourself, you probably shouldn't read the thread where we're talking about the dramatization of the third book in the series; it seems to me the entire thread would need a spoiler tag.
My post did relate to last night's episode, pretty directly.
Well, unless I misread (in which case, I apologize) but you refrerred to not being able to wait to see something that clearly wasn't in last night's episode. Meaning (to me) that this was something that you knew was coming because you had read it in the book.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but if you're trying not to spoil the first book for yourself, you probably shouldn't read the thread where we're talking about the dramatization of the third book in the series; it seems to me the entire thread would need a spoiler tag.
Ok, I should have been clearer. I am watching the show, and am current up to last nights episode. So I would be comfortable reading any spoiler related to the show. I've not read book 3 (and am only partway through reading book one) so i would stay away from any book related spoiler so as not to ruin future episodes for myself.
If I wanted to be a jerk, since this is a TV forum, I'd ask all discussions of the book to relocate to the book forum. But I'm not going to because I know there is a very logical reason to include them here. I'm simply asking those that have read the books to identify when they are spoiling something that has yet to be aired so those of us who are only watching the shows can know which spoilers to avoid.
That's all. I kinda thought I was being reasonable.
Greg
My post did relate to last night's episode, pretty directly.
Well, unless I misread (in which case, I apologize) but you refrerred to not being able to wait to see something that clearly wasn't in last night's episode. Meaning (to me) that this was something that you knew was coming because you had read it in the book.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but if you're trying not to spoil the first book for yourself, you probably shouldn't read the thread where we're talking about the dramatization of the third book in the series; it seems to me the entire thread would need a spoiler tag.Ok, I should have been clearer. I am watching the show, and am current up to last nights episode. So I would be comfortable reading any spoiler related to the show. I've not read book 3 (and am only partway through reading book one) so i would stay away from any book related spoiler so as not to ruin future episodes for myself.
If I wanted to be a jerk, since this is a TV forum, I'd ask all discussions of the book to relocate to the book forum. But I'm not going to because I know there is a very logical reason to include them here. I'm simply asking those that have read the books to identify when they are spoiling something that has yet to be aired so those of us who are only watching the shows can know which spoilers to avoid.
That's all. I kinda thought I was being reasonable.
Greg
Oh, gotcha; Sorry, I completely misunderstood the nature of your complaint. What can I say, once you've read the whole series thus far, you're keeping back so much junk that something's bound to slip though. :P
Oh, gotcha; Sorry, I completely misunderstood the nature of your complaint. What can I say, once you've read the whole series thus far, you're keeping back so much junk that something's bound to slip though. :P
Well, then the best I can ask is please be careful. If I had been spoiled about last night's episode I don't think it would have had a 1/10th the impact of seeing it unspoiled.
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Unfortunatly, as much as I wish it were not the case, I just don't have much time to read a 1000 pg book and I didn't even know about the series (book or otherwise) until after season one was on the air. (In fact, I know of at least two people in my office who are intentionally not reading the books so that they can get the full impact of the series.)
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Unfortunatly, as much as I wish it were not the case, I just don't have much time to read a 1000 pg book and I didn't even know about the series (book or otherwise) until after season one was on the air. (In fact, I know of at least two people in my office who are intentionally not reading the books so that they can get the full impact of the series.)
I mostly read books in transit now. It takes me about 2 hours of travel a day and i read then.
As for the people in your office, i don't see the point in that. I've read all the books and i can't wait to see how they do it in the show.BTW, the rumors that Dinklage quit are an April fools joke right?
I mostly read books in transit now. It takes me about 2 hours of travel a day and i read then.
I drive ~1.5 hrs each morning to take my son to school, and only have a 15 min drive home after work, so don't spend any time in transit when I'm not the one doing the driving.
As for the people in your office, i don't see the point in that. I've read all the books and i can't wait to see how they do it in the show.
Some people are more affected by a visual medium than the written word. (Also Martin's writing style turns some people off.) For example I've read some H.P. Lovecraft and didn't find it in the least bit frightening. Kinda boring, actually.
BTW, the rumors that Dinklage quit are an April fools joke right?
No clue.
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Best Facebook snark I've seen today.
Welcome to a Song of Ice and Fire.Alternatively titled "Yep, They Die Too".
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Ok....Who let Joss write for this show. I was physically upset last night after watching the show. Was dwelling on it all day at my think less job. Please tell me that Sensa gets to be the queen on the Iron Throne somehow after hearing about her mother and brother dieing or Arya becomes the master assassin we all want her to become.
Yeah, Joss only liked to kill the fan favorite once a movie/show unless it's a long runner, and usually in a very dramatic and unexpected way.
GRRM uses character death with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the testicles.
I like 'em both but you have to admit GRRM doesn't even TRY to pretend he's not going to murder your favorite character once or twice and it's pretty easy to see coming a lot of the time once you realize yes, he DOES have the balls to kill the "hero".
I actually thought that the book was MORE brutal than the version on TV. Still a powerful episode....
I'm excited to see what they do with Lady Stoneheart in upcoming seasons. That's some gruesome stuff....
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Ack!!!! Hama!!! That's a book spoiler. :-(
I think I may need to take my GoT grousing to a forum that has a rabid no book spoiler rule. It's so hard to differentiate a non-book spoiler from a book spoiler without an insane level of vigilance from all you good folks here, and that's a lot to ask or expect.
Edit: Still, I read a proper name and a verb that warms the empty cavity that once housed my heart.
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Ack!!!! Hama!!! That's a book spoiler. :-(
Sorry you had to take one for the team, Sebastian. But thanks for the head's up. Almost clicked on it.
Greg
I actually thought that the book was MORE brutal than the version on TV. Still a powerful episode....
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Spoiler:Since we all know that Joffrey is going to dye, I hope a vag demon gets'em. LOL
Dude, not cool. Whatsoever. Edit the post for spoiler tag. Also, people don't dye, they die. If they dyed, they would paint the house with paint.
Still, I read a proper name and a verb that warms the empty cavity that once housed my heart.
There will be one more incredibly satisfactory death after that one. Oh how i was happy to read that...
Though I do hope Arya ends up shanking Frey at some point cause that would be lovely
My wishlist of "People for Arya to Shank" is into the dozens now.
Y'know, I'm going to be talking around corners now (no spoilers!), but given GRRM's early work: Fevre Dream, Armageddon Rag, and last but not least "The Monkey Treatment," it's funny how many of his completed works end on a very upbeat note, despite everything you've read up until the last sentence.